<strong>No? Try hockey. Hell, baseball is probably whiter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I bet there are more black hockey players than there are black PGA golfers. There is such thing as a black canadian, plus american blacks from northern states are taking it up these days.
Regardless, all the sports I can think of were invented by whites. Sporting in general is very white. It could be argued that the global popularity of sports is the result of white cultural diffusion.
<strong>No? Try hockey. Hell, baseball is probably whiter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What are you talking about? Baseball is easily the most international of American sports. Take away all the players from Latin America and you'd have one seriously undertalented sport.
Anyway, my teams:
Baseball - the Red Sox
Football - the Niners
Basketball - the Celtics
NCAA Basketball - UConn
Hockey - I like hockey but I still haven't settled on a team to root for since the Whalers left town. I know. I know. It's about time for me to move on...
Hockey is a "White-ass sport"? More so than golf?? Golf is better because it's "more interntional"?
Holy shit in a shoebox Tiger - those are possibly two of the dumbest things I've ever heard you say. I try not to give you a hard time about some of your sports comments because you seem to take it personally, but you stepped over the line on this one. Let's examine the facts:
PGA Pros not of caucasian or SE Asian descent:
Tiger Woods
Vijay Singh
Someone help me out here.... uhhhh, errrrr, emmmm.
NHL Players not of caucasian or SE Asian descent
Anson Carter
Mike Grier
Kevin Weekes
Fred Brathwaite
Georges LeRaques
Peter Worrel
Donald Brashear
Jamal Mayers
JEROME IGINLA
JEAN-LUC GRAND-PIERRE
BRYCE SALVADOR
Scott Gomez (Inuit, Hispanic)
David Tanabe (Native American)
Craig Berube (Native American)
Chris Simon (Native American)
Manny Malhotra (Native American)
About a half-dozen SE Asian and Hispanic players not listed...
POINT IS: neither is well-integrated racially, but for you to pretend like Golf is on a whole other plane is retarded. In fact, AFAICT, the NHL has *more* minorities playing than the PGA. Truth hurts, huh?
Let's move on to your brilliant "more international" point of analysis.
Countries that have PGA Pros other than US/Canada:
England, Scotland, Ireland, Sweden (3?), Spain(2), Germany (1?), Italy (1?), South Africa (3?), Japan (3?), Korea ?, Australia, New Zealand, Fiji (1), others?
Now - how many of those players are NOT white? 1? 2?
And where race is concerned, pretty much the same as the PGA. None of these guys AFAIK is non-caucasian.
AGAIN, there is no basis for saying Hockey is a white-ass sport, and then turning around and pretending like golf isn't. If anything, it's *worse* - fewer black pros, [far lower percentage of pros] from non-North American countries.
Right. As in, I can't think of any others on the PGA tour who fit the profile we're talking about. If I'm so off-base, name some more PGA tour pros who are not [caucasian] / from Japan or Korea.
I guess you could include someone like Robert Gamez, though I'd consider him to be just as "white" as Sergio or JM Olazabal - or any [other caucasian] from N. American or Europe.
I'm open to [corrections if I've misstated something]. Let's see your proof that the PGA is more racially integrated than the NHL.
<strong>Who the f*ck cares about hockey, f*ckin white @$$ sport.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Leave it up to Tiger to take a civil debate, and turn it into a racially charged pissing contest.
Tiger.. You still havent addressed my points, you just throw insults around. I guess you prove the old proverb true: You really cant have a battle of wits, with an unarmed person.
Exactly, so don't try to debate something you don't know of.<hr></blockquote>
IOW, you have nothing to say other than "I'm right", followed by silence. Still waiting for evidence that the PGA is all about racial equality and international goodwill, and that the NHL is just a white man's sport with closed doors to the world.
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<strong>No? Try hockey. Hell, baseball is probably whiter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I bet there are more black hockey players than there are black PGA golfers. There is such thing as a black canadian, plus american blacks from northern states are taking it up these days.
Regardless, all the sports I can think of were invented by whites. Sporting in general is very white. It could be argued that the global popularity of sports is the result of white cultural diffusion.
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<strong>No? Try hockey. Hell, baseball is probably whiter.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What are you talking about? Baseball is easily the most international of American sports. Take away all the players from Latin America and you'd have one seriously undertalented sport.
Anyway, my teams:
Baseball - the Red Sox
Football - the Niners
Basketball - the Celtics
NCAA Basketball - UConn
Hockey - I like hockey but I still haven't settled on a team to root for since the Whalers left town. I know. I know. It's about time for me to move on...
"Oh boy, sleep! That's where I'm a Viking!" - Ralph Wiggum
<strong>Even so, there is no sport whiter than golf.</strong><hr></blockquote> Wrong statement. Correct answer is swimming
Holy shit in a shoebox Tiger - those are possibly two of the dumbest things I've ever heard you say. I try not to give you a hard time about some of your sports comments because you seem to take it personally, but you stepped over the line on this one. Let's examine the facts:
PGA Pros not of caucasian or SE Asian descent:
Tiger Woods
Vijay Singh
Someone help me out here.... uhhhh, errrrr, emmmm.
NHL Players not of caucasian or SE Asian descent
Anson Carter
Mike Grier
Kevin Weekes
Fred Brathwaite
Georges LeRaques
Peter Worrel
Donald Brashear
Jamal Mayers
JEROME IGINLA
JEAN-LUC GRAND-PIERRE
BRYCE SALVADOR
Scott Gomez (Inuit, Hispanic)
David Tanabe (Native American)
Craig Berube (Native American)
Chris Simon (Native American)
Manny Malhotra (Native American)
About a half-dozen SE Asian and Hispanic players not listed...
POINT IS: neither is well-integrated racially, but for you to pretend like Golf is on a whole other plane is retarded. In fact, AFAICT, the NHL has *more* minorities playing than the PGA. Truth hurts, huh?
Let's move on to your brilliant "more international" point of analysis.
Countries that have PGA Pros other than US/Canada:
England, Scotland, Ireland, Sweden (3?), Spain(2), Germany (1?), Italy (1?), South Africa (3?), Japan (3?), Korea ?, Australia, New Zealand, Fiji (1), others?
Now - how many of those players are NOT white? 1? 2?
Countries that have NHL Pros other than US/Canada
Norway, Sweden, Finland, Latvia (<5), Lithuania (<5), Belarus (<5), Slovakia, Czech Republic, Slovenia (<5), Russia, Ukrane, Austria (<5), Germany (2), Switzerland (3)....
And where race is concerned, pretty much the same as the PGA. None of these guys AFAIK is non-caucasian.
AGAIN, there is no basis for saying Hockey is a white-ass sport, and then turning around and pretending like golf isn't. If anything, it's *worse* - fewer black pros, [far lower percentage of pros] from non-North American countries.
Give it up.
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I guess you could include someone like Robert Gamez, though I'd consider him to be just as "white" as Sergio or JM Olazabal - or any [other caucasian] from N. American or Europe.
I'm open to [corrections if I've misstated something]. Let's see your proof that the PGA is more racially integrated than the NHL.
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<strong>Who the f*ck cares about hockey, f*ckin white @$$ sport.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Leave it up to Tiger to take a civil debate, and turn it into a racially charged pissing contest.
Tiger.. You still havent addressed my points, you just throw insults around. I guess you prove the old proverb true: You really cant have a battle of wits, with an unarmed person.
...the good news is, for those of us who are down with the NHL, season starts TOMORROW. wOOT!
The better news is, I have NHL Center Ice this year. Can you say "Yyyyyyeahh, baby!"
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Exactly, so don't try to debate something you don't know of.<hr></blockquote>
IOW, you have nothing to say other than "I'm right", followed by silence. Still waiting for evidence that the PGA is all about racial equality and international goodwill, and that the NHL is just a white man's sport with closed doors to the world.
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