pharcyde. its about the only rap i can stand. i never much liked the whole genre. but their shit is just good; gooder than some of my real music.
also, just because there is a surge of bad artists in rao doesn't mean that they aren't part of the genre. despite the fact that virtually every contemporary rock band sux large pieces of ass, they are still considered `rock`. it seems shameful to put them in the same category as real artists...but i digress...maybe its time i reread catcher in the rye.
Interesting comments. I guess what I am suggesting is, what the mainstream labels as "hip-hop" is nothing but fad music. MTV has destroyed another form of music - after all, it's what they do best.
Anyway like all fad music, crappy quality rarely stands the test of time. That said, I have no doubt there are a few seriously talented people out there "keeping it real" - but I bet what they're writing is less and less what "hip hop" has come to mean. Especially to all these whitey wannabe teens you guys are talking about - they're the ones who buy most of the CDs I wager.
Like Brittney and Justin said "Izzy hizzy to tha wizzy wack....YO!"
PS - Sean Penis Diddly Combs is a parasite-infested chunk of dung. I saw him interviewed briefly a few weeks ago when Red Dragon was premiering and he said something akin to: "Yo if I wuz a serial killa, I would want to be so smoov, just like that Dragon. It's real nice the way he did his victims like dat...." I was hoping Brad Pitt or someone with an ounce of respectability would walk up to him and break his nose in 3 places. But punching hiphop icons is bad PR in hollywood, ya knowz!
<strong>I gotta say that hip-hop is shifting into a sad state right now. You got lame cats in the game right now like Nelly, Ja Rule, Fabolous, Lil Flip, P Diddy, No Limit, etc. that aren't true hip-hop. There is some good talent out there sure, but most of it goes without notice. I mean, you won't find your average white kid in the suburbia bumpin Jurassic 5 in his stereo system, or getting down to KRS One. What has happened? We've come to a corporate state where sell-outs rule the hip-hop charts and real stuff is found underground. Even BET is getting to be as whack as MTV these days. I see a lot of crap on 106&park too, and most of it sounds the same. Not only that, but one of the best lyricists Nas is going to the world least talented record label, Murda Inc. This is a guy who has always shyed away from the commercial labels and been a great rapper. This will tarnish his career, and tarnish the rap world even more.
So next time you see a copy of Nellyville, make sure to place it in it's appropriate section: Pop Music.</strong><hr></blockquote>
First, to those of you with asshole remarks like "oh, you're growing up?" or wasting time with retarded pie chards: You sound exactly like those thickheaded Windows morons who will never "get" the Mac experience. The ones who are destined to go to Wal-Mart for their every need, their entire life, the ones who it's not worth wasting your time on.
You are showing the kind of lack of open-mindedness, and the willingness to just go along with "what everybody else thinks" that you accuse the PC-using masses of doing. "Hey, the hip hop that I've heard of sure does suck, so that must represent hip hop as a whole."
Hypocrites.
And another thing. "The hip hop artists that were good are dead now?" No, Biggie and Tupac were some mediocre sons of bitches, if you ask me. I hated having to give into stupid callers on the request line (I had a college radio show back when they were alive) and playing their lame shit.
Moving on.
TigerWoods, I'm surprised you think hip hop has gone the toilet just NOW. For me, it happened somewhere around 1996-97. That's when Puff Faggy-inspired garbage started completely taking over. Even KRS-ONE put out his first truly bad album ("I Got Next"), which featured a song with Puffy on it. Of course, it could be coincidental -- that was the time I moved up to the hellhole that is the tri-state (NY/NJ/CT) area -- or maybe it's me growing older, but more likely, it's a little of all three (but mostly over-commercialization).
I think it's like rock and roll, blues, jazz, reggae, etc. -- hip hop, like all of these other genres, started out as an "outcast" musical form, but a lot of it was good, since it was almost totally performed by people doing it for the love of the music. They knew they weren't going to get famous, as long as the music was "underground."
When it got commercially popular, all kinds of idiots started to become "artists," and no-talent morons in the A&R departments started to pay attention and sign these idiots. The music got destroyed.
I hate to say there's a correlation with forms of music going to hell and the "general public" getting into it, but . . . hey. There is.
In the meantime, I've consoled myself by looking up samples in the Sample FAQ (put "sample FAQ" into Google; it's the first link that comes up) and downloading the originals. I've found lots of really good music this way. And once in a while, someone like Count Bass D still puts out a CD.
But otherwise, I'm just laying low, waiting for an entirely new genre of music to be born, then I plan to enjoy the hell out of it for the few years before it gets "discovered" by the culture vultures.
Well, it's nice to see that a simple post can inspire such greatness. Kudos CommonSense, you have seen right through me.
Actually, check where that image is linked too... I came across it while going through some of my old Mac bookmarks tonight. I remembered this thread and posted it. Thought it was funny.
<strong>Actually, check where that image is linked too... I came across it while going through some of my old Mac bookmarks tonight. I remembered this thread and posted it. Thought it was funny.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not linked to anything. Click on it. Nothing happens.
Unless you mean "check out what site it came from." The Screaming Banana thing. Not sure I see what your point is. I go there and the first item on the home page is another opinion on hip hop -- this time on The Coup -- that, once again, gives away the author as One Who Just Doesn't Get It.
You know, I thought the comparison to "PC users who just don't get it" would make sense, what with this being a forum for those of us who appreciate the Mac, and know what it's like to be part of a misunderstood, "underdog" group. But I guess that only applies when it's convenient.
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also, just because there is a surge of bad artists in rao doesn't mean that they aren't part of the genre. despite the fact that virtually every contemporary rock band sux large pieces of ass, they are still considered `rock`. it seems shameful to put them in the same category as real artists...but i digress...maybe its time i reread catcher in the rye.
Interesting comments. I guess what I am suggesting is, what the mainstream labels as "hip-hop" is nothing but fad music. MTV has destroyed another form of music - after all, it's what they do best.
Anyway like all fad music, crappy quality rarely stands the test of time. That said, I have no doubt there are a few seriously talented people out there "keeping it real" - but I bet what they're writing is less and less what "hip hop" has come to mean. Especially to all these whitey wannabe teens you guys are talking about - they're the ones who buy most of the CDs I wager.
Like Brittney and Justin said "Izzy hizzy to tha wizzy wack....YO!"
PS - Sean Penis Diddly Combs is a parasite-infested chunk of dung. I saw him interviewed briefly a few weeks ago when Red Dragon was premiering and he said something akin to: "Yo if I wuz a serial killa, I would want to be so smoov, just like that Dragon. It's real nice the way he did his victims like dat...." I was hoping Brad Pitt or someone with an ounce of respectability would walk up to him and break his nose in 3 places. But punching hiphop icons is bad PR in hollywood, ya knowz!
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... in the beginning of the 1990s <hr></blockquote>
well things can be a fad to some, but not to others...
we slay all suckers who perpetrate
and lay down law from state to state
we travel on gravel, drit road or street
I wear my Adidas when I rock the beat
on stage front page every show I go
it's Adidas on my feet high top or low
Big rings fat chains
They all quest for the same
No name huge fame
Strictly new to the thing
We stay true to the game
And never bring it to shame
<strong>I gotta say that hip-hop is shifting into a sad state right now. You got lame cats in the game right now like Nelly, Ja Rule, Fabolous, Lil Flip, P Diddy, No Limit, etc. that aren't true hip-hop. There is some good talent out there sure, but most of it goes without notice. I mean, you won't find your average white kid in the suburbia bumpin Jurassic 5 in his stereo system, or getting down to KRS One. What has happened? We've come to a corporate state where sell-outs rule the hip-hop charts and real stuff is found underground. Even BET is getting to be as whack as MTV these days. I see a lot of crap on 106&park too, and most of it sounds the same. Not only that, but one of the best lyricists Nas is going to the world least talented record label, Murda Inc. This is a guy who has always shyed away from the commercial labels and been a great rapper. This will tarnish his career, and tarnish the rap world even more.
So next time you see a copy of Nellyville, make sure to place it in it's appropriate section: Pop Music.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hip Hop...sad state?
Oh, you're growing up, are you?
Hip Hop is for __________ (fill in the blanks)
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
murbot- I'd be interested to know your lovely contribution to this thread.
You are showing the kind of lack of open-mindedness, and the willingness to just go along with "what everybody else thinks" that you accuse the PC-using masses of doing. "Hey, the hip hop that I've heard of sure does suck, so that must represent hip hop as a whole."
Hypocrites.
And another thing. "The hip hop artists that were good are dead now?" No, Biggie and Tupac were some mediocre sons of bitches, if you ask me. I hated having to give into stupid callers on the request line (I had a college radio show back when they were alive) and playing their lame shit.
Moving on.
TigerWoods, I'm surprised you think hip hop has gone the toilet just NOW. For me, it happened somewhere around 1996-97. That's when Puff Faggy-inspired garbage started completely taking over. Even KRS-ONE put out his first truly bad album ("I Got Next"), which featured a song with Puffy on it. Of course, it could be coincidental -- that was the time I moved up to the hellhole that is the tri-state (NY/NJ/CT) area -- or maybe it's me growing older, but more likely, it's a little of all three (but mostly over-commercialization).
I think it's like rock and roll, blues, jazz, reggae, etc. -- hip hop, like all of these other genres, started out as an "outcast" musical form, but a lot of it was good, since it was almost totally performed by people doing it for the love of the music. They knew they weren't going to get famous, as long as the music was "underground."
When it got commercially popular, all kinds of idiots started to become "artists," and no-talent morons in the A&R departments started to pay attention and sign these idiots. The music got destroyed.
I hate to say there's a correlation with forms of music going to hell and the "general public" getting into it, but . . . hey. There is.
In the meantime, I've consoled myself by looking up samples in the Sample FAQ (put "sample FAQ" into Google; it's the first link that comes up) and downloading the originals. I've found lots of really good music this way. And once in a while, someone like Count Bass D still puts out a CD.
But otherwise, I'm just laying low, waiting for an entirely new genre of music to be born, then I plan to enjoy the hell out of it for the few years before it gets "discovered" by the culture vultures.
Actually, check where that image is linked too... I came across it while going through some of my old Mac bookmarks tonight. I remembered this thread and posted it. Thought it was funny.
But whatever. You're on a roll. Please continue.
Face it.
<strong>Actually, check where that image is linked too... I came across it while going through some of my old Mac bookmarks tonight. I remembered this thread and posted it. Thought it was funny.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not linked to anything. Click on it. Nothing happens.
Unless you mean "check out what site it came from." The Screaming Banana thing. Not sure I see what your point is. I go there and the first item on the home page is another opinion on hip hop -- this time on The Coup -- that, once again, gives away the author as One Who Just Doesn't Get It.
You know, I thought the comparison to "PC users who just don't get it" would make sense, what with this being a forum for those of us who appreciate the Mac, and know what it's like to be part of a misunderstood, "underdog" group. But I guess that only applies when it's convenient.
<strong>You're NOT growing up then, it appears.
Face it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Attack me personally and ignore what I'm actually saying. Nice.
[ 10-23-2002: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>