What, nobody else has downloaded books from Project Gutenberg (largely HTML because they're illustrated), manybooks.net (if a book is text-only might as well let them handle the PDF conversion), Google Books (PDF, of course, and all scanned, so a plaintext display like the Kindle's is useless), or the Internet Archive (all DjVu because of its inherent superiority to PDF, coupled with smaller file size)? I guess the "number downloaded" on all those books are fictional?
As for the 6-layer file structure, a finder window with 6000 lines behaves badly (actually, it starts screwing up at about 1400). Putting them all in a flat file (by author, I guess) would give me what, 500 pages on the iPad. Can you even have 500 pages?
So, yeah, I'm saving up for a MacBook Air for my e-reader needs, but a smaller device that would work right would be nice.
Well, as I understand it, each relevant app manages files on its own. Apple has made it clear from the start that iOS devices are not full-fledged computers, and are not intended to be. The idea behind them is to simplify the way you interact with the device.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the "finder window with 6000 lines" thing--but that is my limitation, not yours. I do think that Apple deliberately left the "Finder" layer out of iOS, so it's unlikely that iOS will ever give you the kind of file system you're looking for.
In the end, engineering is all about making compromises.
That's right, user-selectable resolution and user-selectable iOS: switch between iPad and iPod instantly in one device.
7" is a perfect size for eMail, video, gaming, email, light web browsing, ebook reading, light note taking, FaceTiming, as fancy remote control, as large cell phone (with blutooth), and as car dash-mounted computer.
7" may not fit into a pocket but it will fit into purse/small messenger bag and most importantly can be comfortably held by one hand.
10" iPad2 is still too heavy to be held comfortably by one hand without support.
That reminded me of a funny response I got when asking friends about their thoughts about the pocketability of even the iPhone. One friend said her husband would sometimes ask her to carry his iPhone in her purse because, even as small as the iPhone is, it's still too big sometimes if all you need with you at the time is a phone.
If it has a 7" Screen, it is not a Tablet in the way that the iPad is a Tablet. It's a slate device, sure, but no device with a screen that small is ever going to be relevant as a Post-PC device. It's too big to compete with Smartphones and too small to be as productive as an iPad or iPad-like device.
These things are toys. Geeky little diversions like the very first Netbooks (The ones that had... approximately 7" Screens! Funny that).
I think not. I guarantee the GPU in the current Tab 10.1 is not even close to that of the iPad 2 (and that is really a place that it will count and show it's inferiority). The iPad 2 GPU has 3.5x higher triangle rate and has absolutely no slow down when doing full-scene anti-aliasing.
Judging from the stats around wikipedia etc. the Galaxy Tab GPU will be around half way between the iPad 1 and Motorola Xoom.
So, the Tab sucks in that, ultimately the most important, respect. Cameras are generally irrelevant.
Heh. I remember times when Apple users were claiming raw performance is pointless - it is everything else that counts. And now that Apple has hardware superior product, more and more people are taking that as major advantage for the product
I don't think it is that simple. I just got iPad 1 for my mother. She lives overseas and will not get it for another 2 months (when I will travel to visit) so I got more than enough time to set it for her (as in install apps) and use it daily to see if I would be interested in tablet.
For me, iPad 1 is already perfect performance wise. I'm not interested in iPad games, video editing or anything else that demanding. Likewise, my mother - she will never do a game more complex than solitaire. But she will check email, Skype with me, read news on the web, check weather forecast...
So, yeah. Unless one is buying iPad for excessive gaming, one might find that performance is not that important at all. Personally for me, having functional Flash is more important than having graphics 9x faster than iPad 1, for example.
But even that is not too important. I will be surprised if Android tablets don't follow the same development curve like Android phones. I don't think iPad will keep hardware advantage for long, but then, I don't think that loosing raw performance edge will hurt iPad either; I don't think too many people will be buying tablet based on raw performance anyway.
I don't think iPad will keep hardware advantage for long, but then, I don't think that loosing raw performance edge will hurt iPad either; I don't think too many people will be buying tablet based on raw performance anyway.
This is where it's interesting. Right now people don't flock out to buy tablet. They flock out to buy iPad.
When they buy the phone many people just want the one that also do email, internet etc. Some may pay more for iPhone but a lot of people just don't care. This is why I think for Android, iPad will be tougher than iPhone.
That reminded me of a funny response I got when asking friends about their thoughts about the pocketability of even the iPhone. One friend said her husband would sometimes ask her to carry his iPhone in her purse because, even as small as the iPhone is, it's still too big sometimes if all you need with you at the time is a phone.
The Nook and Kindle are huge compared to the iPad when you account for number of things they can do.
And iPad is huge compare to MacBook Air when you account for number of things they can do? So what? That's not the point. The point is that there is huge market for more portable 7" devices.
By the way Nook can do almost as many things a iPad can do. It's Android based device with color capacitive touch screen, wi-fi, web browser, games, Office Productivity suite, music player, etc. And it costs twice less vs. iPad.
And iPad is huge compare to MacBook Air when you account for number of things they can do? So what? That's not the point. The point is that there is huge market for more portable 7" devices.
By the way Nook can do almost as many things a iPad can do. It's Android based device with color capacitive touch screen, wi-fi, web browser, games, Office Productivity suite, music player, etc. And it costs twice less vs. iPad.
1) My emoticons should have clued you in that I wasn?t serious about my comment.
2) You really should include an emoticon or people will think that you?re serious that the Nook is almost an iPad in terms of functionality and usability.
1) My emoticons should have clued you in that I wasn?t serious about my comment.
2) You really should include an emoticon or people will think that you?re serious that the Nook is almost an iPad in terms of functionality and usability.
1) If you'd be serious it would have been more fun.
2) My emotions were too mixed to include them
Usability is subjective. And you can have all the functionality in the world, but if the device is too big and you can't take it with you then suddenly it becomes less functional. When the device is not with you it is actually useless
It is pretty simple really; look at the Nook and the amazon pads, they are almost an ideal size for reading documents and being handy enough to have with you all the time. You can't say that with iPad.
Sure YOU can't say that. But the high sales of the ipad 1 and the high demand for the ipad 2 sure sounds like a lot of folks can and have said it. Look at all the businesses reported to be buying up ipads for use in customer facing positions. Look at all the schools that are reporting successful pilot programs and increasing use next year.
You don't see that kind of stuff with those 7 inch tablets right now so perhaps Apple is making correct assumptions
SJ actually said why Apple wouldn't do a 7 inch and it had nothing to do with whether some users would like it.
He said developers would not bother to build UIs specific to that form factor. Apps would either be scaled up phone apps or scrunched down 10inch apps, this would result in poor user experience.
This discussion should be about whether this is true or not.
1) My emoticons should have clued you in that I wasn?t serious about my comment.
2) You really should include an emoticon or people will think that you?re serious that the Nook is almost an iPad in terms of functionality and usability.
Aren't you supposed to be doing more important things with your time, unlike the rest of us?
What, nobody else has downloaded books from Project Gutenberg (largely HTML because they're illustrated), manybooks.net (if a book is text-only might as well let them handle the PDF conversion), Google Books (PDF, of course, and all scanned, so a plaintext display like the Kindle's is useless), or the Internet Archive (all DjVu because of its inherent superiority to PDF, coupled with smaller file size)? I guess the "number downloaded" on all those books are fictional?
As for the 6-layer file structure, a finder window with 6000 lines behaves badly (actually, it starts screwing up at about 1400). Putting them all in a flat file (by author, I guess) would give me what, 500 pages on the iPad. Can you even have 500 pages?
So, yeah, I'm saving up for a MacBook Air for my e-reader needs, but a smaller device that would work right would be nice.
SJ actually said why Apple wouldn't do a 7 inch and it had nothing to do with whether some users would like it.
He said developers would not bother to build UIs specific to that form factor. Apps would either be scaled up phone apps or scrunched down 10inch apps, this would result in poor user experience.
This discussion should be about whether this is true or not.
Excellent point. Steve said specifically that users would have to file their fingers down to tiny points in order to interact with a 7" UI. The sales of iPad 1 and demand for iPad 2 suggest that Apple has hit the sweet spot in terms of UI, without cannibalizing iPhone/iPod touch sales.
Apple may change their tune if the market shows 7" tablets to be an even sweeter spot. Though, then it will be a question of unwashed masses versus the elite, uncompromising few. In other words, if 7" tablets really take off, will Apple join the race to the bottom? They might, if the 10" iPad loses significant marketshare to the point where Apple has horrifying flashbacks of the early 90s.
Then again, in the late 90s, when Steve came back, Apple didn't merely join the race to the bottom. Instead, they went in a completely different direction with the iMac. And, with a few exceptions (ahem *cough* CUBE) they've been hitting home runs ever since.
My guess is, Apple has got several contingency plans in place in the event that the full-size iPad begins losing out to the 7" market. Apple has the capital to have several products fully formed, but sitting on the bench. Not many companies can do that.
I finished early. Now I need to find another way to take up more of my time. Thinking about learning how to use Xcode or getting my pilot’s license.
I hear the former is all the rage these days... I'm trying to strategise how to get into iOS development without having to be a "hardcore" dev right from the start. There are many opportunities. Some companies just want simple apps, for example their quarterly self-published magazine in iPad format.
I really sense we are seeing a repeat of the 2000-2010 cycle with 2011-2020. The former was all about the web, the latter, all about mobile and tablet.
Remember how it went from "What's a website?" to everyone needing a website. At the same time, tools, platforms, everything, evolved as well.
But as Remediation mentions ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Remediation-.../dp/0262522799 still a great book today I reckon ) the mobile/tablet is simply another layer of media on top of all other forms of media which still exist and are "remediated" for the consumption style of the day.
What I cannot sort out is this apps, Android, iPad hype. It's like feeding off each other and sure, everyone wants to make a buck. But where are we heading? Every company needs a website. In five years, will every company need an app or at least a few? Probably, I think, but there's too much noise (ie. hype) in the signal.
How is Apple still curating and managing 300,000 iPhone apps? How are people finding apps? How many are purchasing? I guess this is why WWDC sold out so fast as well, people want the inside track. That and what I've said repeatedly for the past few months:
THERE ARE ALMOST ZERO UNIVERSITIES OFFERING AT LEAST SEMESTER-LONG, IN-PERSON iOS DEVELOPMENT COURSES. VIRTUALLY NONE.
Think about that for a second. C, HTML, SQL, PERL, PHP, whatever. BUT NO iOS DEVELOPEMENT COURSES. HECK NOT EVEN ANDROID is a common feature in university-level undergrad or postgrad courses. If anyone finds any, please PM me.
Right now Xcode knowledge is pretty cherished, but of course this will disseminate over time just like HTML did circa 1995-2005.
The issue I am facing is I am in a country where knowledge workers and staff in general are treated like disposable sales tools.
Apple may change their tune if the market shows 7" tablets to be an even sweeter spot. Though, then it will be a question of unwashed masses versus the elite, uncompromising few. In other words, if 7" tablets really take off, will Apple join the race to the bottom? They might, if the 10" iPad loses significant marketshare to the point where Apple has horrifying flashbacks of the early 90s.
Well, below 7" we see Apple succeeding without any "race to the bottom", with the iPod and iPhone. So 7" per se is not an issue in terms of profits, etc.
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My guess is, Apple has got several contingency plans in place in the event that the full-size iPad begins losing out to the 7" market. Apple has the capital to have several products fully formed, but sitting on the bench. Not many companies can do that.
Definitely. I think the 7" has scope, it's just that no one is really coming out with any iPad-killer at ANY form factor, so Apple can tinker with their 7" prototypes for quite a while longer.
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What, nobody else has downloaded books from Project Gutenberg (largely HTML because they're illustrated), manybooks.net (if a book is text-only might as well let them handle the PDF conversion), Google Books (PDF, of course, and all scanned, so a plaintext display like the Kindle's is useless), or the Internet Archive (all DjVu because of its inherent superiority to PDF, coupled with smaller file size)? I guess the "number downloaded" on all those books are fictional?
As for the 6-layer file structure, a finder window with 6000 lines behaves badly (actually, it starts screwing up at about 1400). Putting them all in a flat file (by author, I guess) would give me what, 500 pages on the iPad. Can you even have 500 pages?
So, yeah, I'm saving up for a MacBook Air for my e-reader needs, but a smaller device that would work right would be nice.
Well, as I understand it, each relevant app manages files on its own. Apple has made it clear from the start that iOS devices are not full-fledged computers, and are not intended to be. The idea behind them is to simplify the way you interact with the device.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the "finder window with 6000 lines" thing--but that is my limitation, not yours. I do think that Apple deliberately left the "Finder" layer out of iOS, so it's unlikely that iOS will ever give you the kind of file system you're looking for.
In the end, engineering is all about making compromises.
Wait. Oh crap.
That's right, user-selectable resolution and user-selectable iOS: switch between iPad and iPod instantly in one device.
7" is a perfect size for eMail, video, gaming, email, light web browsing, ebook reading, light note taking, FaceTiming, as fancy remote control, as large cell phone (with blutooth), and as car dash-mounted computer.
7" may not fit into a pocket but it will fit into purse/small messenger bag and most importantly can be comfortably held by one hand.
10" iPad2 is still too heavy to be held comfortably by one hand without support.
That reminded me of a funny response I got when asking friends about their thoughts about the pocketability of even the iPhone. One friend said her husband would sometimes ask her to carry his iPhone in her purse because, even as small as the iPhone is, it's still too big sometimes if all you need with you at the time is a phone.
These things are toys. Geeky little diversions like the very first Netbooks (The ones that had... approximately 7" Screens! Funny that).
I think not. I guarantee the GPU in the current Tab 10.1 is not even close to that of the iPad 2 (and that is really a place that it will count and show it's inferiority). The iPad 2 GPU has 3.5x higher triangle rate and has absolutely no slow down when doing full-scene anti-aliasing.
Judging from the stats around wikipedia etc. the Galaxy Tab GPU will be around half way between the iPad 1 and Motorola Xoom.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/a...p2-benchmarked
So, the Tab sucks in that, ultimately the most important, respect. Cameras are generally irrelevant.
Heh. I remember times when Apple users were claiming raw performance is pointless - it is everything else that counts. And now that Apple has hardware superior product, more and more people are taking that as major advantage for the product
I don't think it is that simple. I just got iPad 1 for my mother. She lives overseas and will not get it for another 2 months (when I will travel to visit) so I got more than enough time to set it for her (as in install apps) and use it daily to see if I would be interested in tablet.
For me, iPad 1 is already perfect performance wise. I'm not interested in iPad games, video editing or anything else that demanding. Likewise, my mother - she will never do a game more complex than solitaire. But she will check email, Skype with me, read news on the web, check weather forecast...
So, yeah. Unless one is buying iPad for excessive gaming, one might find that performance is not that important at all. Personally for me, having functional Flash is more important than having graphics 9x faster than iPad 1, for example.
But even that is not too important. I will be surprised if Android tablets don't follow the same development curve like Android phones. I don't think iPad will keep hardware advantage for long, but then, I don't think that loosing raw performance edge will hurt iPad either; I don't think too many people will be buying tablet based on raw performance anyway.
I don't think iPad will keep hardware advantage for long, but then, I don't think that loosing raw performance edge will hurt iPad either; I don't think too many people will be buying tablet based on raw performance anyway.
This is where it's interesting. Right now people don't flock out to buy tablet. They flock out to buy iPad.
When they buy the phone many people just want the one that also do email, internet etc. Some may pay more for iPhone but a lot of people just don't care. This is why I think for Android, iPad will be tougher than iPhone.
That reminded me of a funny response I got when asking friends about their thoughts about the pocketability of even the iPhone. One friend said her husband would sometimes ask her to carry his iPhone in her purse because, even as small as the iPhone is, it's still too big sometimes if all you need with you at the time is a phone.
This Kindle fits small purse
Size comparison: Nook vs. iPad
This Kindle fits small purse
Size comparison: Nook vs. iPad
The Nook and Kindle are huge compared to the iPad when you account for number of things they can do.
The Nook and Kindle are huge compared to the iPad when you account for number of things they can do.
And iPad is huge compare to MacBook Air when you account for number of things they can do? So what? That's not the point. The point is that there is huge market for more portable 7" devices.
By the way Nook can do almost as many things a iPad can do. It's Android based device with color capacitive touch screen, wi-fi, web browser, games, Office Productivity suite, music player, etc. And it costs twice less vs. iPad.
And iPad is huge compare to MacBook Air when you account for number of things they can do? So what? That's not the point. The point is that there is huge market for more portable 7" devices.
By the way Nook can do almost as many things a iPad can do. It's Android based device with color capacitive touch screen, wi-fi, web browser, games, Office Productivity suite, music player, etc. And it costs twice less vs. iPad.
1) My emoticons should have clued you in that I wasn?t serious about my comment.
2) You really should include an emoticon or people will think that you?re serious that the Nook is almost an iPad in terms of functionality and usability.
1) My emoticons should have clued you in that I wasn?t serious about my comment.
2) You really should include an emoticon or people will think that you?re serious that the Nook is almost an iPad in terms of functionality and usability.
1) If you'd be serious it would have been more fun.
2) My emotions were too mixed to include them
Usability is subjective. And you can have all the functionality in the world, but if the device is too big and you can't take it with you then suddenly it becomes less functional. When the device is not with you it is actually useless
It is pretty simple really; look at the Nook and the amazon pads, they are almost an ideal size for reading documents and being handy enough to have with you all the time. You can't say that with iPad.
Sure YOU can't say that. But the high sales of the ipad 1 and the high demand for the ipad 2 sure sounds like a lot of folks can and have said it. Look at all the businesses reported to be buying up ipads for use in customer facing positions. Look at all the schools that are reporting successful pilot programs and increasing use next year.
You don't see that kind of stuff with those 7 inch tablets right now so perhaps Apple is making correct assumptions
He said developers would not bother to build UIs specific to that form factor. Apps would either be scaled up phone apps or scrunched down 10inch apps, this would result in poor user experience.
This discussion should be about whether this is true or not.
Are these "millions" of sales to the stores or to actual consumers?
Who cares, as long as it's "smooth..."
1) My emoticons should have clued you in that I wasn?t serious about my comment.
2) You really should include an emoticon or people will think that you?re serious that the Nook is almost an iPad in terms of functionality and usability.
Aren't you supposed to be doing more important things with your time, unlike the rest of us?
What, nobody else has downloaded books from Project Gutenberg (largely HTML because they're illustrated), manybooks.net (if a book is text-only might as well let them handle the PDF conversion), Google Books (PDF, of course, and all scanned, so a plaintext display like the Kindle's is useless), or the Internet Archive (all DjVu because of its inherent superiority to PDF, coupled with smaller file size)? I guess the "number downloaded" on all those books are fictional?
As for the 6-layer file structure, a finder window with 6000 lines behaves badly (actually, it starts screwing up at about 1400). Putting them all in a flat file (by author, I guess) would give me what, 500 pages on the iPad. Can you even have 500 pages?
So, yeah, I'm saving up for a MacBook Air for my e-reader needs, but a smaller device that would work right would be nice.
Your username is sounding quite apt indeed.
Aren't you supposed to be doing more important things with your time, unlike the rest of us?
I finished early. Now I need to find another way to take up more of my time. Thinking about learning how to use Xcode or getting my pilot?s license.
SJ actually said why Apple wouldn't do a 7 inch and it had nothing to do with whether some users would like it.
He said developers would not bother to build UIs specific to that form factor. Apps would either be scaled up phone apps or scrunched down 10inch apps, this would result in poor user experience.
This discussion should be about whether this is true or not.
Excellent point. Steve said specifically that users would have to file their fingers down to tiny points in order to interact with a 7" UI. The sales of iPad 1 and demand for iPad 2 suggest that Apple has hit the sweet spot in terms of UI, without cannibalizing iPhone/iPod touch sales.
Apple may change their tune if the market shows 7" tablets to be an even sweeter spot. Though, then it will be a question of unwashed masses versus the elite, uncompromising few. In other words, if 7" tablets really take off, will Apple join the race to the bottom? They might, if the 10" iPad loses significant marketshare to the point where Apple has horrifying flashbacks of the early 90s.
Then again, in the late 90s, when Steve came back, Apple didn't merely join the race to the bottom. Instead, they went in a completely different direction with the iMac. And, with a few exceptions (ahem *cough* CUBE) they've been hitting home runs ever since.
My guess is, Apple has got several contingency plans in place in the event that the full-size iPad begins losing out to the 7" market. Apple has the capital to have several products fully formed, but sitting on the bench. Not many companies can do that.
I finished early. Now I need to find another way to take up more of my time. Thinking about learning how to use Xcode or getting my pilot’s license.
I hear the former is all the rage these days...
I really sense we are seeing a repeat of the 2000-2010 cycle with 2011-2020. The former was all about the web, the latter, all about mobile and tablet.
Remember how it went from "What's a website?" to everyone needing a website. At the same time, tools, platforms, everything, evolved as well.
But as Remediation mentions ( http://www.amazon.co.uk/Remediation-.../dp/0262522799 still a great book today I reckon ) the mobile/tablet is simply another layer of media on top of all other forms of media which still exist and are "remediated" for the consumption style of the day.
What I cannot sort out is this apps, Android, iPad hype. It's like feeding off each other and sure, everyone wants to make a buck. But where are we heading? Every company needs a website. In five years, will every company need an app or at least a few? Probably, I think, but there's too much noise (ie. hype) in the signal.
How is Apple still curating and managing 300,000 iPhone apps? How are people finding apps? How many are purchasing? I guess this is why WWDC sold out so fast as well, people want the inside track. That and what I've said repeatedly for the past few months:
THERE ARE ALMOST ZERO UNIVERSITIES OFFERING AT LEAST SEMESTER-LONG, IN-PERSON iOS DEVELOPMENT COURSES. VIRTUALLY NONE.
Think about that for a second. C, HTML, SQL, PERL, PHP, whatever. BUT NO iOS DEVELOPEMENT COURSES. HECK NOT EVEN ANDROID is a common feature in university-level undergrad or postgrad courses. If anyone finds any, please PM me.
Right now Xcode knowledge is pretty cherished, but of course this will disseminate over time just like HTML did circa 1995-2005.
The issue I am facing is I am in a country where knowledge workers and staff in general are treated like disposable sales tools.
Apple may change their tune if the market shows 7" tablets to be an even sweeter spot. Though, then it will be a question of unwashed masses versus the elite, uncompromising few. In other words, if 7" tablets really take off, will Apple join the race to the bottom? They might, if the 10" iPad loses significant marketshare to the point where Apple has horrifying flashbacks of the early 90s.
Well, below 7" we see Apple succeeding without any "race to the bottom", with the iPod and iPhone. So 7" per se is not an issue in terms of profits, etc.
My guess is, Apple has got several contingency plans in place in the event that the full-size iPad begins losing out to the 7" market. Apple has the capital to have several products fully formed, but sitting on the bench. Not many companies can do that.
Definitely. I think the 7" has scope, it's just that no one is really coming out with any iPad-killer at ANY form factor, so Apple can tinker with their 7" prototypes for quite a while longer.