Hey Murbot, i know you canadians are crazy about hockey....

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
or ice fighting as it is called down here in the states, but what do you make of this? <a href="http://espn.go.com/minorlh/news/2002/1107/1457437.html"; target="_blank">crazy canadian daddy?</a>



is this normal? was the kid robbed?? nice to see that the legal system up north is as wacky as down here....g
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  • Reply 1 of 22
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    He isn't helping his sons pro chances. that's fo sho.



    I guess he doesn't understand the concept of MVP, scoring plays a roll, but it doesn't guarantee an MVP award.
  • Reply 2 of 22
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    This father is lame and stupid. Like Matsu said, he did not help his son pro-carreer. If i was a team manager i will avoid to have a player with such a father.



    All awards are subjective and not directly linked on numbers : does the movie that have the greatest numbers of spectators has automatically the Oscar for the best film , i don't think so.



    Saying that his son is so angry about the decison that he did not want to play is an another joke. If it's the truth, this boy will never be a champion.
  • Reply 3 of 22
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Well at least he didn't kill anyone over it.
  • Reply 4 of 22
    I guess thats one way to look at the bright side of things scott
  • Reply 5 of 22
    thegeldingthegelding Posts: 3,230member
    [quote] Saying that his son is so angry about the decison that he did not want to play is an another joke. If it's the truth, this boy will never be a champion. <hr></blockquote>



    good point....a champion would see that as a challenge to do better and prove the judges wrong....it would make him stronger, not dispondent......and yes, luckily there is no violence involved.....yet <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> ....g
  • Reply 6 of 22
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    They're acting like it's figure skating!
  • Reply 7 of 22
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,261member
    Don't worry, this moron is getting roasted on every radio and TV sports show up here... I haven't come across anyone who supports him yet.



    The guy is out of his ****ing mind. I thought these ridiculous lawsuits were an American thing!



    I can see where a few people might wonder why he didn't win, but scoring is absolutely not the only way to determine something like this. Maybe that other kid scored his 60 points on a shitty team and led them to their best ever finish? I don't know the details, but come on... scoring isn't everything.



    This guy needs a little "hockey dad justice". heh heh (I hope he gets his ass kicked in the stands next year)



  • Reply 8 of 22
    thegeldingthegelding Posts: 3,230member
    [quote]scoring isn't everything <hr></blockquote>



    it was for me in high school...but then i wasn't on a hockey team, and i ain't talkin' sports... g
  • Reply 9 of 22
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    The Dad had lots of great American examples to work with, from the guy that beat a hockey coach to death because he didn't like the way his son was coached, to soccer Dads that threaten referees who officiate games between 5 year olds, to high school football parents who physically beat the refs (and any other innocent bystanders if you happen to live in California)....



    This kind of bullshit (parents living vicariously through their kids' athletic accomplishments) has its root firmly in the good ole US of A, I'm afraid. We were pros at it long before this guy came along.



    That said, he's a total knob. His son is obviously growing up to be a knob also, although we have no idea how this kid's Dad influences him. He may tell the kid to "say what I tell you or else" when the cameras and microphones aren't around.



    Oh, and "Ice fighting"? That's a new one to me, Gelding. You been watching the NHL much this season? The refs have clamped down so hard there's almost not *enough* dropping of the gloves. Sometimes it's just warranted. I never understood that until I actually played the game competitively (even though it's just a house league). I had someone try to ram me into the crossbar while I was looking the other way. And another guy who tried to pull my skates over my ears. Sometimes guys just deserve a fat lip or bloody nose, that's all there is to it.







    The funny thing about it is, a lot of times those same two guys who fling their gloves off and start whaling on each other will be drinking beer together after the game. Most people don't understand that. It's not so much a personal thing as just standing up for yourself and your mates during a heated contest. Rarely personal. We shake hands after every game - including the guys who deserve to be beaten....







    [ 11-08-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]</p>
  • Reply 10 of 22
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    The much maligned Don Cherry 0has one such fight on his video series. Two 'goons' in a pro game (I forget whom) wail on each other for a good minute or two. They shake hands, not after thee game, right after the fight, on their way to the penalty box! The fans loved it, they went nuts.



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 11 of 22
    thegeldingthegelding Posts: 3,230member
    [quote] Oh, and "Ice fighting"? That's a new one to me, Gelding. You been watching the NHL much this season? <hr></blockquote>



    did you see the fight last night?? it went on over a minute...i was waiting for the freakin bell to ring and for the corner men to bring out little stools for them to sit on...but yes, there is less fighting, but still is the only sport outside of boxing were fighting is even allowed...in basketball, football, soccer, tennis (yeah, right, ha, tennis players fighting) you get thrown out, not five minutes in the box....baseball is a strange one to call...not much fighting, but almost always clears the dugouts when it does happen....the two who started the fight usually are thrown out, but the rest usually stay.....



    still say the dad is a tool, but lots of dad in the usa are tools too....so far there is no law against having a dad who is a dick, maybe we can have ashcroft look into that....g
  • Reply 12 of 22
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    Matsu: I think "The Don" is going to have a coronary if the tight officiating goes on much longer. Last Saturday night he was going on and on about how they're taking the fun out of the game (how ironic), making appeals to the fans' "sense of decency" (meaning if you have any sense of it, you'll want more fighting), etc. It was pretty funny. That guy is off his rocker, but you gotta love anyone with that much enthusiasm for the game. Makes John Madden look like a light-weight (and that's not easy to do in any sense!).





    Gelding: Didn't see much last night. Too busy taping stupid shows for the little woman. I did catch the 3rd period of the Bruins-Wings game (or about half of it anyway). Were they swining for a minute+ or just wrestling each other / trying to get in a position to start swinging (which is usually what happens).



    As for baseball players, they can't fight for shit. Always piling on, kicking, throwing helmets, etc. With hockey, it's like a duel. The two guys stand up toe to toe, drop their gloves in unison and have it out like men!



    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 13 of 22
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Scoring seems to be way up. Lemieux's netting about 2.5 points per game and a handful of others are near 2 (not quite, but close).



    I like Cherry, he makes me laugh. I think he's stuck in a time warp, but that's part of his charm. However, if the refs call all the grabbing and stickwork, you won't need fighting. Tough guys will have to be tough by lying down in front of 90mph slap shots, going into a corner to make the play knowing full well a BIG hit is coming, using the shoulder and the hip and going end to end, not hooking the other guy so you don't have to skate back quite so fast.



    I'd like to see Lemieux break Gretzki's record, it be great. Just to put a stamp on it, "F-you, I'm so friggin scary good that I scored almost 200 points with cancer and a bad back, just in case anyone should doubt who really is the most skilled individual player to ever put on a pair of skates, here, and near retirement to boot, in the era of defence too!"
  • Reply 14 of 22
    murbotmurbot Posts: 5,261member
    You spelled Gretzky incorrectly. You have been reported to the proper authorities.



    And here I thought you were a Canadian.







    [ 11-08-2002: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>
  • Reply 15 of 22
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    Lemieux is so talented it's scary. Fun to watch. He may well have 50 points before Christmas if he stays healthy.



    The way I compare him and Wayne is that Wayne was the best there ever was at anticipating how a play would develop and making sure he always hit or was skating in the right place / seam. He wasn't the greatest shooter or skater or puck handler - he was good at all three. But he was *always* in the right spot at the right time. Always.



    Mario on the other hand, has probably the greatest scoring touch and vision the game has ever seen. Combine that with his size and reach, and that's how he makes everyone look like they're from AAA and not the NHL.



    His career ppg average has already gone back above 2.0/game I believe - far and away the highest in the history of the professional game. Morozov is pretty much riding his coat-tails, though he's certainly more dangerous than he was a couple years back.



    I'll tell you something else: Kovalev has some of the most amazing stick-handling abilities I've ever seen. I just wish he would back-check a little harder. He's lazy / gets called for a lot of those "new" obstruction hooking calls in the NZ. To top it off, his wrist shot is absolutely the hardest I've ever seen. I can barely even follow the puck when he gets good mustard on it. The goalies are just left standing there, hoping it hits something other than twine.



    Now that Straka is back, all they need is to pick up one or two decent defensemen at the deadline and they've got a shot at making the eastern Finals if they stay healthy. They have the kind of team that can score 3 goals in 3 minutes. They've already pulled a couple points out of hat when trailing with less than a minute to play. They don't panic, which is good.
  • Reply 16 of 22
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    That's fair. And you see it in the way Gretzky's body just kinda gave up over the last couple of seasons. Didn't help that he played on crappy teams either. In the end he was always a step or two slow. He could still read the play and QB the offence, but he couldn't surprise you in the way he regularly passed the puck into the perfect spot, or just popped up in the perfect place, seemingly from nowhere. Gretzky was more of an impish presence on the ice. So clever, gave all the defencemen fits, 'cause you could never be sure you really had him wrapped up. He'd disappear, then reappear with the puck on his stick and the goalie beat. (hanging-out behind the goal line and dodging checks in the corners didn't hurt either.)



    Lemieux OTOH is the big strapping champion of a player, and he got A LOT of flack when he didn't always play like it. Lindros would have done better to play a bit more like Lemieux, and a bit less like a well, glass jawed goon. Oh well. When you see Lemieux coming down the ice it's like he's not even moving, he LOOKS like he's always going too slow. But then he takes two strides and stops or undresses the defencman, or, and his timing is sooo good, just waits and waits untill you think the angle can't possibly be open anymore and then he fires off a perfect pass. It really is scary when he doesn't even look like he's trying. With that big reach, and that touch, OMG, there isn't a more beautiful sight on ice.



    Funny too, the mythologies that pop up around players. I wonder how true they are. In his heydey, when any two idiots on a line with 99 instantly doubled their output, people talked about Gretzky spending time learning the socks of all the teams, that he secretly practiced it so that it was just second nature to him. He didn't look around the ice to pass to you, he 'knew', where you were and where you were about to be, without lifting his eyes off the ice. I wonder if that one isn't true? And Lemieux is supposed to be silent on the ice -- you don't hear his skates and you don't hear his stick, he just kinda floats around like no big man has any right to do. Contrast Lindros, whose skates you can supposedly hear churning the ice from up in the good seats.
  • Reply 17 of 22
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    As others have said, if the kid has lost his desire to play because he wasn't voted MVP, there's no way he'll make it much further in hockey anyway. As others pointed out, MVP doesn't just mean scoring. That's why they have scoring titles. As someone else mentioned, this guy is just trigger-happy with lawsuits because he's trying to live vicariously through his son's accomplishments, and he got his feeling hurt. The dad obviously has no character to speak of.



    Anyhoo...



    That fight last night was pretty amazing. They weren't all clean swings (meaning they hit each others shoulders and were slipping around), but they were swinging for that full minute or so. The coverage was really funny. They just did a little picture-in-picture action and watched it during play. Fighting really tires you out quickly, so going for that long is really tough.



    I have to say that so far, with a ton of help from the new sissy rules, Lemieux has done a lot better than I thought he would. Of course, if it comes to the payoffs, he'd better watch out for Scott Stevens and these other bruiser defensemen come Cup time.



    Lindros' problem is that he simply isn't the leader that everyone, for some unknown reason to me, thinks he is. Lemieux and Gretzky were both leaders in that of course very indescribable way. Lindros has none of that clout, through his demeanor, his accomplishments or his mouth. And that is why the Rangers are doomed to fail with this huge payroll. They're lucky they still have Messier because Bure and Lindros can never be leaders for them. Thing are only going to get worse when Messier finally hangs them up unless they get a real character player, not just one with lots of numbers.
  • Reply 18 of 22
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    I think a combination of family, expectation and early coaching ruined Lindros. He wasn't just expected to make plays and score goals like Gretzky and Lemieux, he was supposed to level every tough guy on the ice in a way that would make Scott Stevens jealous. And early on, the kid tried, and he got knocked senseless, literally. I don't think he realistically could have ever equalled either of the two greats in question (even for a season or two), but he coulda been a guy to score a consistent 100-120 points, 40-50, even 60 goals and be a presence on the ice, now? Not so much...
  • Reply 19 of 22
    thegeldingthegelding Posts: 3,230member
    hey, how many canadian stick-heads do we have at AI??? this is a "apple/mac" board....please include some reference to apple or mac in all posts ....ie. "aboot that fight last night, it was so bitchin that i almost spilled my labatt on my iBook, eh, that 'ould 'ave made me look like a hoser...." g
  • Reply 20 of 22
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    ?eh?



    Sorry, there are very few real hockey fans around me with whom I can talk about the games and stuff. I left all that in upstate NY a few years ago apparently. No wonder the Devils can't sell out their arena. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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