I doubt Apple wants to go after the Adobe Premiere users. If they serious about the Pro market, they're chasing after Avid users.
Except that Premiere has the best handling of 7D and 5D files of any edit software. They worked directly with Canon to understand how to best handle the files natively. Something FCP doesn't do - yet.
Exactly. If anything, they'll use the iPad as a control surface. It eliminates clumsy key commands and allows gestural input.
I think so too. iPad as a visual control surface will be very handy. The only bad thing about touch screen surfaces is that you have to look at the surface to be precise. You need to look at the surface, touch it, then look at the screen while dragging to see the changes, then look at the surface again etc. A lot of looking up and down and up again. Hardware buttons and screws you can operate blindfolded. But still it'd be much appreciated to have a dedicated control surface. Very neat.
I think so too. iPad as a visual control surface will be very handy. The only bad thing about touch screen surfaces is that you have to look at the surface to be precise. You need to look at the surface, touch it, then look at the screen while dragging to see the changes, then look at the surface again etc. A lot of looking up and down and up again. Hardware buttons and screws you can operate blindfolded. But still it'd be much appreciated to have a dedicated control surface. Very neat.
I understand what you are saying about looking up at the screen (to see the modifications) and down at the iPad (to see the controls).
I was using microcomputers for 5+ years before the Mac came out. The indirection caused by the mouse felt really strange and took some getting used to.
A touch pad or a graphics tablet has a similar level of indirection that takes getting used to.
What makes indirection easier is a little hint shown on the computer display -- the cursor or brush.
It doesn't really matter where the mouse is positioned on the desktop -- it's where the cursor is shown on the computer display.
Now, take that same concept and expand it to 10 multitouch points on a tablet:
If you placed both hands on the tablet -- you could see 10 hints (cursors, fingertips, whatever) on the computer display.
That would be OK, but confusing and not too usefull.
But there are other possibilities -- here's one:
1) Place 1 finger of one hand anywhere on the tablet -- this connects to the cursor, wherever it is currently positioned on the computer display
2) move around as normal
3) Place all 5 fingers of the other hand anywhere on the tablet -- a semitransparent set of sliders appears off to the side of the computer display.
4) The spacing pf the sliders is customized to fit the hand on the tablet and each finger is connected to an individual slider.
5) you can slide the fingers together or lift 2-4 fingers to deal with individual controls.
6) The UI knows which fingers are on the tablet and which are not -- denoting the active sliders.
7) The UI can determine when a finger, not on the tablet, is placed on the tablet (and which one) -- and activate the associated slider
8) as long as 1 of the original 5 fingers remains on the tablet the associated slider "heads-up" remains on the computer display -- with active sliders highlighted.
Here, we have used the tablet as a touch surface with no need to show anything on its screen -- the operative display is the screen on the computer.
Currently we use a few fingers on one hand (on the keyboard) in combination with a few fingers of the other hand (on the mouse) to manipulate and control a complex UI like FCP
With the iPad, the possibility of using all 10 fingers opens a lot more possibilities -- more combinations, shortcuts, etc,
But, rather than more (and more complex) short cuts, there is a better way -- gestures.
If the FCP application is made "gesture-aware" we can easily do things with simple gestures that are cumbersome and contrived with a kb/mouse.
Pinch/zoom a scene or a time line, for example -- is more natural with the fingers.
I am not suggesting that you need to remove the established kb/mouse interface and unlearn habits -- rather add gestures and use them where the can improve efficiency and workflow -- and learn better, more-efficient habits.
Except that Premiere has the best handling of 7D and 5D files of any edit software. They worked directly with Canon to understand how to best handle the files natively. Something FCP doesn't do - yet.
Yes - and the Mercury Playback Engine is a godsend on my 3 year old iMac
No, this line of reasoning encourages having something with a touchscreen (e.g. an iPad as a remote control unit), not necessarily the computer itself. It's not like in the past we all touched the screen.
Yeah, the iPad (e.g. tablet) that all Mac fans were against Apple making.
So real question is, when will they update the website? The show does not begin until 7:00 PM, which would mean it will likely last for an hour or two. Apple updating it's Final Cut Pro website at 9:00 PM? Not likely. Wondering if we see an update on the site tomorrow or Thursday?
So real question is, when will they update the website? The show does not begin until 7:00 PM, which would mean it will likely last for an hour or two. Apple updating it's Final Cut Pro website at 9:00 PM? Not likely. Wondering if we see an update on the site tomorrow or Thursday?
Is the presentation just a preview for release sometime later? If so the website won't be updated.
Is the presentation just a preview for release sometime later? If so the website won't be updated.
I don't know but I doubt people will be made to sign an NDA when they attend the presentation. Sometimes Apple will post up a "Preview" page of what's to come. In fact I think they did that with Final Cut Studio 3 before it was released.
I don't know but I doubt people will be made to sign an NDA when they attend the presentation. Sometimes Apple will post up a "Preview" page of what's to come. In fact I think they did that with Final Cut Studio 3 before it was released.
Let's assume a couple of things:
1) Apple will show a "Preview" of the new Final Cut
2) the basic system will have equivalent function as FCS ($999)
3) the New FCS replacement will cost $333 through the Mac Store
4) the New FC will require features in Lion and/or QTX
5) The New FC will not be available until June
I believe Apple will:
1) Immediately reduce the price of FCS to $333
2) allow any recent (last 30 days) buyers of FCS a refund
3) from last 30 days on -- anyone buying FCS will get a free upgrade to New Final Cut
They can change the Apple Site and Store, overnight, to reflect this.
The Final Cut Pro User Group Network is excited to have a very special guest presentation at the 10th Annual Las Vegas FCPUG SuperMeet. Come to see a surprise sneak peek at something very special - you really do not want to miss this one!
so "sneak peak" doesn't sound like a shipping product. I agree with Dick, it will probably ship in June. FCP sales are such that Apple doesn't have to worry about taking a hit to the bottom line by pre-announcing a big upgrade a ways out, and they can also always offer free upgrades for anyone buying over the next couple of months.
I hope Apple puts up details on their website as soon as the cat is out of the bag. I don't mind gleaning what I can from press releases or live blogs, but nothing beats a thorough description with demo videos from Apple.
FCP sales are such that Apple doesn't have to worry about taking a hit to the bottom line by pre-announcing a big upgrade a ways out, and they can also always offer free upgrades for anyone buying over the next couple of months.
Plus, between now and June there could be updates to MacPro systems. I.E. Thunderbolt.
Plus, between now and June there could be updates to MacPro systems. I.E. Thunderbolt.
Or iMacs. With Thunderbolt external storage an iMac makes a great FCP station. A well turned out 27" compares well with a base tower for about a grand less (not to mention the nice 27" screen for "free"). It's not as expandable, but Thunderbolt makes that less of an issue than ever.
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I doubt Apple wants to go after the Adobe Premiere users. If they serious about the Pro market, they're chasing after Avid users.
Except that Premiere has the best handling of 7D and 5D files of any edit software. They worked directly with Canon to understand how to best handle the files natively. Something FCP doesn't do - yet.
You can use this feedback facilities here at feedback: FCP
That's great, thank you.
Hope I didn't come across like I was complaining about everything to do with FCP, I think it's great.
Exactly. If anything, they'll use the iPad as a control surface. It eliminates clumsy key commands and allows gestural input.
I think so too. iPad as a visual control surface will be very handy. The only bad thing about touch screen surfaces is that you have to look at the surface to be precise. You need to look at the surface, touch it, then look at the screen while dragging to see the changes, then look at the surface again etc. A lot of looking up and down and up again. Hardware buttons and screws you can operate blindfolded. But still it'd be much appreciated to have a dedicated control surface. Very neat.
I think so too. iPad as a visual control surface will be very handy. The only bad thing about touch screen surfaces is that you have to look at the surface to be precise. You need to look at the surface, touch it, then look at the screen while dragging to see the changes, then look at the surface again etc. A lot of looking up and down and up again. Hardware buttons and screws you can operate blindfolded. But still it'd be much appreciated to have a dedicated control surface. Very neat.
I understand what you are saying about looking up at the screen (to see the modifications) and down at the iPad (to see the controls).
I was using microcomputers for 5+ years before the Mac came out. The indirection caused by the mouse felt really strange and took some getting used to.
A touch pad or a graphics tablet has a similar level of indirection that takes getting used to.
What makes indirection easier is a little hint shown on the computer display -- the cursor or brush.
It doesn't really matter where the mouse is positioned on the desktop -- it's where the cursor is shown on the computer display.
Now, take that same concept and expand it to 10 multitouch points on a tablet:
If you placed both hands on the tablet -- you could see 10 hints (cursors, fingertips, whatever) on the computer display.
That would be OK, but confusing and not too usefull.
But there are other possibilities -- here's one:
1) Place 1 finger of one hand anywhere on the tablet -- this connects to the cursor, wherever it is currently positioned on the computer display
2) move around as normal
3) Place all 5 fingers of the other hand anywhere on the tablet -- a semitransparent set of sliders appears off to the side of the computer display.
4) The spacing pf the sliders is customized to fit the hand on the tablet and each finger is connected to an individual slider.
5) you can slide the fingers together or lift 2-4 fingers to deal with individual controls.
6) The UI knows which fingers are on the tablet and which are not -- denoting the active sliders.
7) The UI can determine when a finger, not on the tablet, is placed on the tablet (and which one) -- and activate the associated slider
8) as long as 1 of the original 5 fingers remains on the tablet the associated slider "heads-up" remains on the computer display -- with active sliders highlighted.
Here, we have used the tablet as a touch surface with no need to show anything on its screen -- the operative display is the screen on the computer.
Currently we use a few fingers on one hand (on the keyboard) in combination with a few fingers of the other hand (on the mouse) to manipulate and control a complex UI like FCP
With the iPad, the possibility of using all 10 fingers opens a lot more possibilities -- more combinations, shortcuts, etc,
But, rather than more (and more complex) short cuts, there is a better way -- gestures.
If the FCP application is made "gesture-aware" we can easily do things with simple gestures that are cumbersome and contrived with a kb/mouse.
Pinch/zoom a scene or a time line, for example -- is more natural with the fingers.
I am not suggesting that you need to remove the established kb/mouse interface and unlearn habits -- rather add gestures and use them where the can improve efficiency and workflow -- and learn better, more-efficient habits.
- Jasen.
Except that Premiere has the best handling of 7D and 5D files of any edit software. They worked directly with Canon to understand how to best handle the files natively. Something FCP doesn't do - yet.
Yes - and the Mercury Playback Engine is a godsend on my 3 year old iMac
Way to use the two most over-used business/life/technology quotes ever uttered.
How 'bout:
...to skate to where the faster horse is?
I hope that FCP suite doesn't just bring new media creation tools, but adds a focus on media distribution.
We all know the web is the future of TV distribution and Apple really has no love for Big Cable.
The question is: Can Apple find a way to make AppleTV-only channels profitable?
No, this line of reasoning encourages having something with a touchscreen (e.g. an iPad as a remote control unit), not necessarily the computer itself. It's not like in the past we all touched the screen.
Yeah, the iPad (e.g. tablet) that all Mac fans were against Apple making.
So real question is, when will they update the website? The show does not begin until 7:00 PM, which would mean it will likely last for an hour or two. Apple updating it's Final Cut Pro website at 9:00 PM? Not likely. Wondering if we see an update on the site tomorrow or Thursday?
Is the presentation just a preview for release sometime later? If so the website won't be updated.
Is the presentation just a preview for release sometime later? If so the website won't be updated.
I don't know but I doubt people will be made to sign an NDA when they attend the presentation. Sometimes Apple will post up a "Preview" page of what's to come. In fact I think they did that with Final Cut Studio 3 before it was released.
I don't know but I doubt people will be made to sign an NDA when they attend the presentation. Sometimes Apple will post up a "Preview" page of what's to come. In fact I think they did that with Final Cut Studio 3 before it was released.
Let's assume a couple of things:
1) Apple will show a "Preview" of the new Final Cut
2) the basic system will have equivalent function as FCS ($999)
3) the New FCS replacement will cost $333 through the Mac Store
4) the New FC will require features in Lion and/or QTX
5) The New FC will not be available until June
I believe Apple will:
1) Immediately reduce the price of FCS to $333
2) allow any recent (last 30 days) buyers of FCS a refund
3) from last 30 days on -- anyone buying FCS will get a free upgrade to New Final Cut
They can change the Apple Site and Store, overnight, to reflect this.
I believe Apple will:
1) Immediately reduce the price of FCS to $333
Why that price? Why not $299, $349, $499, etc.
Why that price? Why not $299, $349, $499, etc.
because most people will buy 2
Someone at MR posted the following:
It is a Live Blog in French:
Supermeet live sur Final Cut MTL
I'll watch it even though Ich verstehe nicht französisch -- but then, does anyone really understand French?
The Final Cut Pro User Group Network is excited to have a very special guest presentation at the 10th Annual Las Vegas FCPUG SuperMeet. Come to see a surprise sneak peek at something very special - you really do not want to miss this one!
so "sneak peak" doesn't sound like a shipping product. I agree with Dick, it will probably ship in June. FCP sales are such that Apple doesn't have to worry about taking a hit to the bottom line by pre-announcing a big upgrade a ways out, and they can also always offer free upgrades for anyone buying over the next couple of months.
I hope Apple puts up details on their website as soon as the cat is out of the bag. I don't mind gleaning what I can from press releases or live blogs, but nothing beats a thorough description with demo videos from Apple.
FCP sales are such that Apple doesn't have to worry about taking a hit to the bottom line by pre-announcing a big upgrade a ways out, and they can also always offer free upgrades for anyone buying over the next couple of months.
Plus, between now and June there could be updates to MacPro systems. I.E. Thunderbolt.
Plus, between now and June there could be updates to MacPro systems. I.E. Thunderbolt.
Or iMacs. With Thunderbolt external storage an iMac makes a great FCP station. A well turned out 27" compares well with a base tower for about a grand less (not to mention the nice 27" screen for "free"). It's not as expandable, but Thunderbolt makes that less of an issue than ever.