The "windows everywhere" strategy is laughable. I'd be pretty pissed off if I was a MS shareholder, this is exactly the same kind of poor thinking that caused windows for tablets/phones to fail up to this point. Now it looks like they're pulling out again, as if they don't know what else to do.
Microsoft needs the balls to scrap windows and start over. Windows is no longer a quality product brand– for most people it stands for viruses and spyware, everything people are moving to iPads to get away from.
My apologies if it?s already been pointed out, but have you see the Windows App Store for Windows 8. There is something familiar about this but I just can?t put my finger on it.
The "windows everywhere" strategy is laughable. I'd be pretty pissed off if I was a MS shareholder, this is exactly the same kind of poor thinking that caused windows for tablets/phones to fail up to this point. Now it looks like they're pulling out again, as if they don't know what else to do.
Microsoft needs the balls to scrap windows and start over. Windows is no longer a quality product brand? for most people it stands for viruses and spyware, everything people are moving to iPads to get away from.
You appear to be describing the Windows of 2004. It's now 2011, and Microsoft is really kicking ass with great products in every area they are involved in. The latest versions of Office and Windows are easily the best they've ever produced and the (relatively) new products like Xbox and Zune are fantastic as well.
If they can get the marketing right, then there's no reason why Microsoft cannot catch Apple in the areas where they are currently behind.
This makes sense to me, if you look at the different tablet designs coming out that basically turn from a desktop into a tablet then having an os that does the same makes sense. I even had someone tell me last week there prefered case for an iPad is one with a keyboard on one side and the iPad on the other, which kinda makes it a laptop.
Anyway there will still be tablet apps and desktop apps, simple reason, sell 2 apps!
There's also a very simple reason for the windows everywhere strategy, windows sells for $40 - $80, windows embedded sells for 5 - 30. If ballmer did anything that could harm windows he could be liable to the shareholders for it.
My apologies if it?s already been pointed out, but have you see the Windows App Store for Windows 8. There is something familiar about this but I just can?t put my finger on it.
So they (Microsoft / MS) plan to defeat iOS and Mac OS is to make a Windows OS that will be used in every devices they can get their hands on.. Yup, it's Windows everywhere alrite.. We're doomed if this truly come true..
Just imagine. Every Windows 8 device user gets to experience the BSOD on every screen they own. All that productivity will drive AAPL out of business.
You appear to be describing the Windows of 2004. It's now 2011, and Microsoft is really kicking ass with great products in every area they are involved in. The latest versions of Office and Windows are easily the best they've ever produced and the (relatively) new products like Xbox and Zune are fantastic as well.
If they can get the marketing right, then there's no reason why Microsoft cannot catch Apple in the areas where they are currently behind.
Yeah, that's what MSFT needs is more marketing. Seriously, the "Zune"? Are you a comedian?
Just out of interest, what parts of the Zune didn't you like?
Brown? Who wants a tech toy that looks like a turd? What were they thinking? A crappy knockoff of the iPod. How can you in any honesty call that POS "fantastic"?
My apologies if it?s already been pointed out, but have you see the Windows App Store for Windows 8. There is something familiar about this but I just can?t put my finger on it.
For starters calling it an "App Store" is pretty stupid. Microsoft has always had the Marketplace, which can sell a lot of different things.
They could have an "Apps" section of the Marketplace, but it doesn't really make sense to have an "App Store" section of the Marketplace.
The image also has a "sign on" link, which doesn't fit in with the Windows 8 cloud integration. The idea is that each Windows login is linked to a Windows Live account... so when the user logs in they get access to their data and apps.
The idea of needed to "sign on" to the "App Store" breaks the tight cloud integration they are trying to achieve with Windows 8.
The third problem (and probably the biggest one) is that Microsoft already have two separate "Marketplaces" for Windows.
The "Games for Windows" Marketplace has been up and running for 18 months. The design is far more slick than the "Windows App Store", fits in closer with the Metro design and is distinctly Microsoft.
The second is the Zune client, which is basically a beacon of "new age" Microsoft design. This shows how I think Microsoft should integrate multiple sections (Videos, Music, Games, Apps for Windows, Apps for WP7 etc) into the same client.
Microsoft needs the one integrated Media Hub. Zune would be the best choice, but since they already have had an "App Store" running successfully in the "Games for Windows" Marketplace for 18 months they could look to it for inspiration as well.
The "Windows App Store" above looks pretty much like a bastardized Windows Media Player... something the "old school" Microsoft would create.
The last thing they need is yet another separate application for managing purchases and content.
For starters calling it an "App Store" is pretty stupid. Microsoft has always had the Marketplace, which can sell a lot of different things.
They could have an "Apps" section of the Marketplace, but it doesn't really make sense to have an "App Store" section of the Marketplace.
I agree? and I think MS might agree, too, but I don?t think it?s fake. They could be just setting up a precedence in their inevitable fight to keep Apple from being the sole proprietor of anything labeled App Store.
Spoken like someone who hasn't laid a finger on a Windows Phone 7 device. I challenge you to try it - the OS is far more polished, far more stable and far more reliable than iOS ever has been.
If Microsoft is planning to build on this for future devices, then count me in as a potential customer.
No, spoken like a person who has been using Windows-based tablets going back to the days of Windows 3.11 for Pen Computing. And yes, I've even used Dell latest tablets running Windows 7: it is just lipstick on a pig: a prettier version of very complex, bloated, legacy OS that had its roots as a DOS task switcher. This is what Microsoft wants to put on future tablets: Windows, not "Windows Phone".
Hey, how do I enter Safe Mode on a tablet? Will the tablets have a F8 key? Because, you know, that just makes so much sense on a tablet.
No, spoken like a person who has been using Windows-based tablets going back to the days of Windows 3.11 for Pen Computing. And yes, I've even used Dell latest tablets running Windows 7: it is just lipstick on a pig: a prettier version of very complex, bloated, legacy OS that had its roots as a DOS task switcher. This is what Microsoft wants to put on future tablets: Windows, not "Windows Phone".
Hey, how do I enter Safe Mode on a tablet? Will the tablets have a F8 key? Because, you know, that just makes so much sense on a tablet.
I know you're just being facetious, but just for kicks
On Windows Server 2008...
I've never actually had to defrag. I'm pretty sure it still happens, it's just automatic. Also defrag isn't required at all on SSD's as Windows supports TRIM.
I've never had a patch break a program
I've never had to decide on an antivirus
I've never had a problem with incompatible DLLs. SxS has been around for a very long time now.
I've certainly never edited my PATH! I think the last time I manually edited the PATH was a decade ago setting up the command line Java compiler.
I've never had to hit the F8 key on boot
I've never had to enter safe mode (I'm not even sure it's there!!)
I've can't recall ever being asked about a shared component, although I know that still exists because it's a function of each individual uninstaller, not of Windows itself.
Also updates have been installed... although this isn't so different to my iPhone and iPad, apart from the fact that Windows Server 2008 just updates over-the-air automatically and my iDevices... well, you know the process.
My point being when you have a version of Windows pre-installed and configured by the OEM with the drivers provided (like Windows Server) and you only install quality certified software (like you will get from the Marketplace) you don't see a lot of the problems people experience when running hacked together custom systems with mountains of shit programs installed running in the background and embeding themselves into the system.
● Why would I want to run a scaled down phone app on a desktop computer?
● Why would I want to include the overhead needed to scale up to the desktop in an app meant to run on a phone?
● Why would I want to write a tablet app that required a mouse?
Phones, tablets, and true computers are three very different devices with very different usage patterns. Trying to shoehorn everything into one way of doing things is probably not the way to go.
This is exactly what Apple is doing, though they provide it through 2 development platforms rather than 1, but at the core the apps are all based on the same code (thus we have Angry Birds for Desktop). It is actually what Microsoft has to do if they hope to compete, obviously there will be differences in apps ported for desktop vs mobile device.
I'm no Microsoft fan but don't criticize just for the sake of hating on Microsoft.
My apologies if it?s already been pointed out, but have you see the Windows App Store for Windows 8. There is something familiar about this but I just can?t put my finger on it.
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Microsoft needs the balls to scrap windows and start over. Windows is no longer a quality product brand– for most people it stands for viruses and spyware, everything people are moving to iPads to get away from.
The "windows everywhere" strategy is laughable. I'd be pretty pissed off if I was a MS shareholder, this is exactly the same kind of poor thinking that caused windows for tablets/phones to fail up to this point. Now it looks like they're pulling out again, as if they don't know what else to do.
Microsoft needs the balls to scrap windows and start over. Windows is no longer a quality product brand? for most people it stands for viruses and spyware, everything people are moving to iPads to get away from.
You appear to be describing the Windows of 2004. It's now 2011, and Microsoft is really kicking ass with great products in every area they are involved in. The latest versions of Office and Windows are easily the best they've ever produced and the (relatively) new products like Xbox and Zune are fantastic as well.
If they can get the marketing right, then there's no reason why Microsoft cannot catch Apple in the areas where they are currently behind.
Anyway there will still be tablet apps and desktop apps, simple reason, sell 2 apps!
There's also a very simple reason for the windows everywhere strategy, windows sells for $40 - $80, windows embedded sells for 5 - 30. If ballmer did anything that could harm windows he could be liable to the shareholders for it.
My apologies if it?s already been pointed out, but have you see the Windows App Store for Windows 8. There is something familiar about this but I just can?t put my finger on it.
Your right it looks like every other screen in windows!
So they (Microsoft / MS) plan to defeat iOS and Mac OS is to make a Windows OS that will be used in every devices they can get their hands on.. Yup, it's Windows everywhere alrite.. We're doomed if this truly come true..
Just imagine. Every Windows 8 device user gets to experience the BSOD on every screen they own.
You appear to be describing the Windows of 2004. It's now 2011, and Microsoft is really kicking ass with great products in every area they are involved in. The latest versions of Office and Windows are easily the best they've ever produced and the (relatively) new products like Xbox and Zune are fantastic as well.
If they can get the marketing right, then there's no reason why Microsoft cannot catch Apple in the areas where they are currently behind.
Yeah, that's what MSFT needs is more marketing. Seriously, the "Zune"? Are you a comedian?
Yeah, that's what MSFT needs is more marketing. Seriously, the "Zune"? Are you a comedian?
Just out of interest, what parts of the Zune didn't you like?
Just out of interest, what parts of the Zune didn't you like?
Brown? Who wants a tech toy that looks like a turd? What were they thinking? A crappy knockoff of the iPod. How can you in any honesty call that POS "fantastic"?
My apologies if it?s already been pointed out, but have you see the Windows App Store for Windows 8. There is something familiar about this but I just can?t put my finger on it.
I seriously hope that one ends up being fake.
For starters calling it an "App Store" is pretty stupid. Microsoft has always had the Marketplace, which can sell a lot of different things.
They could have an "Apps" section of the Marketplace, but it doesn't really make sense to have an "App Store" section of the Marketplace.
The image also has a "sign on" link, which doesn't fit in with the Windows 8 cloud integration. The idea is that each Windows login is linked to a Windows Live account... so when the user logs in they get access to their data and apps.
The idea of needed to "sign on" to the "App Store" breaks the tight cloud integration they are trying to achieve with Windows 8.
The third problem (and probably the biggest one) is that Microsoft already have two separate "Marketplaces" for Windows.
The "Games for Windows" Marketplace has been up and running for 18 months. The design is far more slick than the "Windows App Store", fits in closer with the Metro design and is distinctly Microsoft.
The second is the Zune client, which is basically a beacon of "new age" Microsoft design. This shows how I think Microsoft should integrate multiple sections (Videos, Music, Games, Apps for Windows, Apps for WP7 etc) into the same client.
Microsoft needs the one integrated Media Hub. Zune would be the best choice, but since they already have had an "App Store" running successfully in the "Games for Windows" Marketplace for 18 months they could look to it for inspiration as well.
The "Windows App Store" above looks pretty much like a bastardized Windows Media Player... something the "old school" Microsoft would create.
The last thing they need is yet another separate application for managing purchases and content.
Brown? Who wants a tech toy that looks like a turd? What were they thinking?
So the color is the only problem you had with it?
What about the audio quality (it was a PMP after all)? Did you have any problems with that?
What about the software? What are you thoughts on how it handles media, playlists, synchronization and streaming?
I seriously hope that one ends up being fake.
For starters calling it an "App Store" is pretty stupid. Microsoft has always had the Marketplace, which can sell a lot of different things.
They could have an "Apps" section of the Marketplace, but it doesn't really make sense to have an "App Store" section of the Marketplace.
I agree? and I think MS might agree, too, but I don?t think it?s fake. They could be just setting up a precedence in their inevitable fight to keep Apple from being the sole proprietor of anything labeled App Store.
Spoken like someone who hasn't laid a finger on a Windows Phone 7 device. I challenge you to try it - the OS is far more polished, far more stable and far more reliable than iOS ever has been.
If Microsoft is planning to build on this for future devices, then count me in as a potential customer.
No, spoken like a person who has been using Windows-based tablets going back to the days of Windows 3.11 for Pen Computing. And yes, I've even used Dell latest tablets running Windows 7: it is just lipstick on a pig: a prettier version of very complex, bloated, legacy OS that had its roots as a DOS task switcher. This is what Microsoft wants to put on future tablets: Windows, not "Windows Phone".
Hey, how do I enter Safe Mode on a tablet? Will the tablets have a F8 key? Because, you know, that just makes so much sense on a tablet.
No, spoken like a person who has been using Windows-based tablets going back to the days of Windows 3.11 for Pen Computing. And yes, I've even used Dell latest tablets running Windows 7: it is just lipstick on a pig: a prettier version of very complex, bloated, legacy OS that had its roots as a DOS task switcher. This is what Microsoft wants to put on future tablets: Windows, not "Windows Phone".
Hey, how do I enter Safe Mode on a tablet? Will the tablets have a F8 key? Because, you know, that just makes so much sense on a tablet.
I know you're just being facetious, but just for kicks
On Windows Server 2008...
- I've never actually had to defrag. I'm pretty sure it still happens, it's just automatic. Also defrag isn't required at all on SSD's as Windows supports TRIM.
- I've never had a patch break a program
- I've never had to decide on an antivirus
- I've never had a problem with incompatible DLLs. SxS has been around for a very long time now.
- I've certainly never edited my PATH! I think the last time I manually edited the PATH was a decade ago setting up the command line Java compiler.
- I've never had to hit the F8 key on boot
- I've never had to enter safe mode (I'm not even sure it's there!!)
I've can't recall ever being asked about a shared component, although I know that still exists because it's a function of each individual uninstaller, not of Windows itself.Also updates have been installed... although this isn't so different to my iPhone and iPad, apart from the fact that Windows Server 2008 just updates over-the-air automatically and my iDevices... well, you know the process.
My point being when you have a version of Windows pre-installed and configured by the OEM with the drivers provided (like Windows Server) and you only install quality certified software (like you will get from the Marketplace) you don't see a lot of the problems people experience when running hacked together custom systems with mountains of shit programs installed running in the background and embeding themselves into the system.
This really strikes me as a poor idea.
● Why would I want to run a scaled down phone app on a desktop computer?
● Why would I want to include the overhead needed to scale up to the desktop in an app meant to run on a phone?
● Why would I want to write a tablet app that required a mouse?
Phones, tablets, and true computers are three very different devices with very different usage patterns. Trying to shoehorn everything into one way of doing things is probably not the way to go.
This is exactly what Apple is doing, though they provide it through 2 development platforms rather than 1, but at the core the apps are all based on the same code (thus we have Angry Birds for Desktop). It is actually what Microsoft has to do if they hope to compete, obviously there will be differences in apps ported for desktop vs mobile device.
I'm no Microsoft fan but don't criticize just for the sake of hating on Microsoft.
My apologies if it?s already been pointed out, but have you see the Windows App Store for Windows 8. There is something familiar about this but I just can?t put my finger on it.
Ubuntu's software store