<strong>I think one of the bigger Tolkein v. Lewis fueds was due to Tolkein's attitude toward Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia. He thought they were: 1) A rip-off of his stuff 2) too simplistic 3) too religious.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah. The Narnia books certainly don't try terribly hard to hide their Christian message. I do find it interesting that so many people note a Christian message in LOTR. Tolkien was a religious man, a Christian, but his intent in writing LOTR was to provide England with a mythology along the lines of the Scandinavian pagan mythologies, something it never had due to historical events (i.e. it got invaded a lot ). Anyway, enough of that else this'll end up in Fireside Chat.
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Whether or not English should be taught in college literature programs. Big stakes -- English was previous only taught as a dramatic subject, not literature. Lots of academics in a huff... Bookish people squable over the strangest things, kinda like AI.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting. Thank you. I'm kind of jealous that simple events - Lewis and Tolkien going for a walk and discussing things - in some people's lives can become part of known history. I don't think any of my discussions while walking with friends will ever be recorded in the annals of history. Or any discussions at AI.
[quote]Originally posted by Scott:
<strong>Trailer got me going too. Saw it at Harry Potter. Not a bad movie BTW.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Harry Potter was fun! I particularly liked Kenneth Branagh's hamming. And little Ginny Weasley's as cute as a button. I saw an interview with the girl that plays Hermione, and she was mortified at having to shoot the scene at the end where she runs up and hugs Harry. She demanded that it only be shot once.
[quote]<strong>IMO The first movie could have had gollum stocking them a bit more. Reading the book you know that he follows for quite a while. It seems to me that they could have just added a short short scene where you see something in the river.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't know if it's true or not, but apparently if you look very closely at the left eye of the right hand king sculpture thing, you can see Gollum sitting on his lower eyelid.
[quote]Originally posted by spaceman_spiff:
<strong>I planned to reread the first book this past summer and I still haven't. I need to get cracking.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Betcha can't finish The Two Towers before the movie opens.
We have the trailer running on a 22" Cinema display where I work. Major droolage. Got two free tickets and I'm ready to wield them at a moments notice. I'm all over that flick.... can't wait.
Betcha can't finish The Two Towers before the movie opens. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't plan to. It's been so long since I read The Two Towers that there's a lot of detail that I've forgotten. I'm afraid that it would take away from my enjoyment of the movie if the story's too fresh in my mind. I'll just reread the trilogy as each part of the movie is released and kibbitz from there.
CS Lewis was a pretty strong Christian. A lot of his 'non-fiction' works were theological. So i guess it's inevitable that a Christian theme should appear in his work.
But he also wrote on other mythologies, like in 'Till We Have Faces' which is an extremely beautiful book.
<strong>In the place of a dark lord, you would have a QUEEN!
NOT DARK, BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN! TREACHEROUS AS THE SEA! STRONGER THAN THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH! ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!
Because I'm going to the premiere on Thursday!</strong><hr></blockquote>Nice. This Thursday Dec. 5 is the premiere?
After you get back from seeing it, we'll judge if you pass the test and diminish. [quote]Originally posted by spaceman_spiff:
<strong>I'm afraid that it would take away from my enjoyment of the movie if the story's too fresh in my mind. I'll just reread the trilogy as each part of the movie is released and kibbitz from there.</strong><hr></blockquote>I'd read it before seeing it.
Let's just say I'll be spending the evening with people I wouldn't normally spend time with. I'm such a bitch. Would it be uncouth to get a large popcorn and soda at a premiere?
Actualy Shelob was moved to the third film becuase they simply couldnt fit it into TTT. Plus that would have been the cliffhanger from hell. I wonder where they are going to end it now.
Also the razing of the Shire has been cut out completely. Becuase it really didnt fit into the flow of the story.
When I was reading ROTK the razing of the shire seemed to really jump out at me as well. It was a poor way to end the story, and seemed to be more of Tolkiens outburst against industrialization than an integral part of the story.
No Belle, I think it's exactly what Hollywood deserves, it's what they want, your money. Or we supposed to switch from money to respect on cue? F 'em. Get your popcorn, they're pretty good films, enjoy them and chow down. But get the popcorn only because it's a premier -- on any other night you're obliged to sneak food into the theatre. It's fun, especially on dates, like grazing the aisles of your local bulk barn!
<strong>Also the razing of the Shire has been cut out completely. Becuase it really didnt fit into the flow of the story.
When I was reading ROTK the razing of the shire seemed to really jump out at me as well. It was a poor way to end the story, and seemed to be more of Tolkiens outburst against industrialization than an integral part of the story.</strong><hr></blockquote>I thought it was great in the book. It showed how the war had touched even the shire and how the hobbits had changed and grown (pun intended in the case of Merry and Pippin). It brought the novel back home. Industrialization?
Man, it looks awesome,,,i am inclined to invest in the special internet edition of the two towers soundtrack (I love the music from the first movie...and man....oh man.... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> )
<strong>No Belle, I think it's exactly what Hollywood deserves, it's what they want, your money. Or we supposed to switch from money to respect on cue? F 'em. Get your popcorn, they're pretty good films, enjoy them and chow down. But get the popcorn only because it's a premier -- on any other night you're obliged to sneak food into the theatre. It's fun, especially on dates, like grazing the aisles of your local bulk barn!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm a bit of an expert at sneaking stuff into theaters. I went to see Phantom Menace with my then boyfriend on an anniversary, and smuggled in a bottle of wine and two wine glasses. We timed the cork with a loud moment in one of the previews.
A movie just isn't the same without popcorn (drowned in butter) and a bucket of soda you could drown in.
i just purchased tickets to the 12:05am on the 18th showing at the boston common theatre for jack and i... the 12:00am showing was already sold out! thank god i have no finals that day.
In the trailer as far as I could tell, I'm going to be dissapointed: I can't help but see a very distinct difference between the real-action characters and even the very fast flashes of Golem . . . . why oh why didn't he use a scrawny actor with make up!?!?!?!
re the Scouring: the whole book can be read as a lamentation for a world that is passing away, and the Scouring drives home the point that even the Shire will never be the same again. Industrialization (Sandyman's mill, etc.) is a part of that, but it also goes deeper. Remember Frodo's line in the book: "The Shire has been saved, Sam, but not for me."
If the Scouring is not in the third film (and Jackson as already said as much), then I hope we don't see the Shire at all in the third film. Seeing Frodo greeted by a bunch of dancing hobbits would just ring false.
I don't think the third film will end with a narration, unless it's how Sam went on to marry Rosie and became mayor. The final scene will be at the Havens. Here's how I want it to end:
Samwise: "But Mr. Frodo, I don't expect I'll ever see you again!"
Frodo (puts hand on Sam's shoulder): "You may yet, Sam. You may."
P.S. I bought the Extended DVD (not the gift set) for $28 at Best Buy ... well worth the money. The film is much richer because of the additions, and the commentaries and interviews are excellent. This was the "killer app" I just bought my DVD player for!
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You know, you just KNOW, there's a good number of shlubs out there that buy every set and two the 5 DVD box, one to open and one to store away.
Big waste of money IMO.
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000069F5H/qid=1038514413/sr=2-1/103-6366954-9695065?v=glance&s=dvd"; target="_blank">The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring (Platinum Series Extended Edition Collector's Gift Set)</a>
[ 11-28-2002: Message edited by: Scott ]</p>
<strong>I think one of the bigger Tolkein v. Lewis fueds was due to Tolkein's attitude toward Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia. He thought they were: 1) A rip-off of his stuff 2) too simplistic 3) too religious.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah. The Narnia books certainly don't try terribly hard to hide their Christian message. I do find it interesting that so many people note a Christian message in LOTR. Tolkien was a religious man, a Christian, but his intent in writing LOTR was to provide England with a mythology along the lines of the Scandinavian pagan mythologies, something it never had due to historical events (i.e. it got invaded a lot
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Whether or not English should be taught in college literature programs. Big stakes -- English was previous only taught as a dramatic subject, not literature. Lots of academics in a huff... Bookish people squable over the strangest things, kinda like AI.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Interesting. Thank you. I'm kind of jealous that simple events - Lewis and Tolkien going for a walk and discussing things - in some people's lives can become part of known history. I don't think any of my discussions while walking with friends will ever be recorded in the annals of history. Or any discussions at AI.
[quote]Originally posted by Scott:
<strong>Trailer got me going too. Saw it at Harry Potter. Not a bad movie BTW.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Harry Potter was fun! I particularly liked Kenneth Branagh's hamming. And little Ginny Weasley's as cute as a button. I saw an interview with the girl that plays Hermione, and she was mortified at having to shoot the scene at the end where she runs up and hugs Harry. She demanded that it only be shot once.
[quote]<strong>IMO The first movie could have had gollum stocking them a bit more. Reading the book you know that he follows for quite a while. It seems to me that they could have just added a short short scene where you see something in the river.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I don't know if it's true or not, but apparently if you look very closely at the left eye of the right hand king sculpture thing, you can see Gollum sitting on his lower eyelid.
[quote]Originally posted by spaceman_spiff:
<strong>I planned to reread the first book this past summer and I still haven't. I need to get cracking.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Betcha can't finish The Two Towers before the movie opens.
<strong>
Betcha can't finish The Two Towers before the movie opens.
NOT DARK, BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN! TREACHEROUS AS THE SEA! STRONGER THAN THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH! ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!
Because I'm going to the premiere on Thursday!
[ 11-30-2002: Message edited by: Belle ]</p>
But he also wrote on other mythologies, like in 'Till We Have Faces' which is an extremely beautiful book.
-robo
<strong>In the place of a dark lord, you would have a QUEEN!
NOT DARK, BUT BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN! TREACHEROUS AS THE SEA! STRONGER THAN THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH! ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!
Because I'm going to the premiere on Thursday!</strong><hr></blockquote>Nice. This Thursday Dec. 5 is the premiere?
After you get back from seeing it, we'll judge if you pass the test and diminish. [quote]Originally posted by spaceman_spiff:
<strong>I'm afraid that it would take away from my enjoyment of the movie if the story's too fresh in my mind. I'll just reread the trilogy as each part of the movie is released and kibbitz from there.</strong><hr></blockquote>I'd read it before seeing it.
<strong>But he also wrote on other mythologies, like in 'Till We Have Faces' which is an extremely beautiful book.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've not read it, but I've added it to my book list. I'm willing to give any book that can be described as "beautiful" a go.
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>Nice. This Thursday Dec. 5 is the premiere?
After you get back from seeing it, we'll judge if you pass the test and diminish.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apparently so. I had to sell my soul to the devil to get tickets, though.
I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Belle. However, I intend to stop here awhile and gloat.
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Apparently so. I had to sell my soul to the devil to get tickets, though.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh do tell.
<strong>Oh do tell.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let's just say I'll be spending the evening with people I wouldn't normally spend time with. I'm such a bitch. Would it be uncouth to get a large popcorn and soda at a premiere?
If Shelob had appeared at the end of the second they could have kept an excellent cliffhanger with what happens to Frodo and all.
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Actualy Shelob was moved to the third film becuase they simply couldnt fit it into TTT. Plus that would have been the cliffhanger from hell. I wonder where they are going to end it now.
Also the razing of the Shire has been cut out completely. Becuase it really didnt fit into the flow of the story.
When I was reading ROTK the razing of the shire seemed to really jump out at me as well. It was a poor way to end the story, and seemed to be more of Tolkiens outburst against industrialization than an integral part of the story.
<strong>Also the razing of the Shire has been cut out completely. Becuase it really didnt fit into the flow of the story.
When I was reading ROTK the razing of the shire seemed to really jump out at me as well. It was a poor way to end the story, and seemed to be more of Tolkiens outburst against industrialization than an integral part of the story.</strong><hr></blockquote>I thought it was great in the book. It showed how the war had touched even the shire and how the hobbits had changed and grown (pun intended in the case of Merry and Pippin). It brought the novel back home. Industrialization?
But I understand the decision for a movie.
<strong>No Belle, I think it's exactly what Hollywood deserves, it's what they want, your money. Or we supposed to switch from money to respect on cue? F 'em. Get your popcorn, they're pretty good films, enjoy them and chow down. But get the popcorn only because it's a premier -- on any other night you're obliged to sneak food into the theatre. It's fun, especially on dates, like grazing the aisles of your local bulk barn!</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
I'm a bit of an expert at sneaking stuff into theaters. I went to see Phantom Menace with my then boyfriend on an anniversary, and smuggled in a bottle of wine and two wine glasses. We timed the cork with a loud moment in one of the previews.
A movie just isn't the same without popcorn (drowned in butter) and a bucket of soda you could drown in.
If the Scouring is not in the third film (and Jackson as already said as much), then I hope we don't see the Shire at all in the third film. Seeing Frodo greeted by a bunch of dancing hobbits would just ring false.
I don't think the third film will end with a narration, unless it's how Sam went on to marry Rosie and became mayor. The final scene will be at the Havens. Here's how I want it to end:
Samwise: "But Mr. Frodo, I don't expect I'll ever see you again!"
Frodo (puts hand on Sam's shoulder): "You may yet, Sam. You may."
P.S. I bought the Extended DVD (not the gift set) for $28 at Best Buy ... well worth the money. The film is much richer because of the additions, and the commentaries and interviews are excellent. This was the "killer app" I just bought my DVD player for!