Android fans accuse Apple of copying Samsung first

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  • Reply 221 of 304
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Needless to say most Android users are not like that - many have Apple products, thats the point. Its the I wont buy anything APple types who are very weird indeed.
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    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
    Perhaps this has been mentioned already - it's the same hand gripping both phones in the image. So one is fake.
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  • Reply 223 of 304
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Why should we forgot Xerox product? Is that because they released a GUI computer before Apple?



    They didn't release a damn thing?if Apple hadn't bought their technology (and enormously improved it), it would be sitting around in some dusty storage room somewhere. At best?actually it would probably be the same place as the blueprints of the Saturn V?nowhere.





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    That would only connect to 2% of the computers at the time...



    And soon after, would connect with 100% Your point? Would you realistically expect a Windows version of iTunes to come out before one that worked on Apple's own computers?



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    Digital music was available DRM free for years before Apple started the ITMS, or are you confusing Digital Music with digital downloads?



    You know damn well what he meant. DRM-free (legal) music downloads are available online because of the years-long battle Steve Jobs fought with the record labels. Sure, they tried to punish him by allowing Amazon to have them first, but that didn't last long.



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    What about all those phones with internet abilities before the iPhone, are we meant to forget they existed?



    What part of the phrase "real internet" is eluding you? Oh that's right?it's not "real" because it doesn't have that mobile Flash player that's still "coming soon".



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    Hmm, again, tablet computers were available for years before the iPAD, and they usable as well.



    10-pound bricks, running Windows with no keyboards, were "usable"? Right.
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  • Reply 224 of 304
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Why should we forgot Xerox product? Is that because they released a GUI computer before Apple?



    They didnt release anything. the first commercial use of mouse and icons was APple, and it was derided by austistics for a decade. Until Windows 95. They they loved it.



    ( A bit like the Open Souce Bad, No! Open Source Good Android group mind switch).



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    That would only connect to 2% of the computers at the time...



    Yes it was released as an accessory for Macs. I am really not sure what that is supposed to argue. It was released for Macs, and then for PCs because of demand from Windows users.







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    What about all those phones with internet abilities before the iPhone, are we meant to forget they existed?



    Within about a year of it existence, and with about 5% of the smartphone market, the iPhone had 90% of the mobile internet. Because webkit and safari actually did the full internet. The others were toy WAP internet.



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    Hmm, again, tablet computers were available for years before the iPAD, and they usable as well.



    Not in the modern form of multi touch with pinch and zoom gestures and capacitive screens - the iPad was first there, the original tablet market ( stylus, resistive screens, full desktop OS on the tablet) is dead. But it was dead before Apple.



    Of course you knew some of these things.



    Also, soon you will have thunderbolt and a SDD drive in your PC. Well in about 5 years, when prices have fallen so you can afford it. Thats because of Apple. They push the industry. Without an "expensive" product doing new stuff nothing would happen. DEll sure as hell are not going to innovate in their consumer line as they sell at margins of 5%.



    AI should have a list of APple firsts. First commercial WIMP interface, first modern Tablet, first modern smartphone, first PDA, first games console etc. We can then link for the Androids and then can go bang their heads on their desks, repeatedly.
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  • Reply 225 of 304
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Maybe you might want to check your knowledge before abusing others...



    http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/02/news...une/index2.htm



    The only abuse I'm aware of on this forum is coming from AndroidDomination, MacRulez, and their ilk. And gossip doesn't interest me.
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  • Reply 226 of 304
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    Originally Posted by AndroidDomination View Post


    Yeah.. typical Apple bullshit.. when you start revealing garbage about Apple or stuff doesn't work.. don't get upset..it's only electronics.. it's not important..



    IT IS IMPORTANT because our lives are increasingly depending on technology and money we spend goes somewhere.. Of course it's important.



    No I"m not a kid.

    I am a creative director with 2 design degrees and one of my main topics was contemporary design during the studies.. on top of that, i have worked for Fortune 500 companies.. among which some things for Apple believe it or not.



    My facts are not skewed.. they are truth.. they are only skewed from the perspective of those who try to defend Apple.. I've personally talked to many people who were involved in technology and what was happening during that time.



    I'm not upset at all.. I'm actually very calm.. I just really dislike the BS coming from Apple and PR shills and so on trying to defend them.



    Other than that..I'm fine thanks. I would say Apple fans are mad and upset because Apple stuff and market-share are going back to insignificance just like it did with desktops and WIndows.



    I've been reading this thread for quite some time now, I have a day off college.



    You are completely bogus, you are an enraged juvenile child who is somehow personally insulted by particularly Apples recent actions. You been spreading absolute lies, flawed logic, self-contradictions, hypocritical and double standards. I'm not going to waste my time spoon-feeding you there.



    1. Everyone knows Samsung copied Apple, particularly TouchWiz, there isn't a shadow of doubt. You have to be a moron on epic proportions to think there isn't some form of mimicking going on.

    2. Apple didn't copy anybody with the iPhone or iPad, iPhone existed in iPad form possibly even before the iPhone was conceived.

    3. If Apple copied LG and Samsung, where are those phones? Since they must have been revolutionary. There are almost no similarities aside from the fact they are both phones.

    4. iPad? Really? Your going to downplay the only successful tablet in history? You downplay the Newton for it being unsuccessful yet you do the same for a successful product?



    It's a sorry state of affairs you live in, you are most certainly not a degree holder, nor have you worked for a Fortune 500. Don't make such outlandish claims unless you are prepared to prove it. Your vocabulary, writing style reflects none of what you claim.



    You have no credibility because your not even open for discussion, instead your a literal laughing stock on this thread.
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  • Reply 227 of 304
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Does anybody think that a reasonably adult would have his facts so skewed and call himself AndroidDomination on an Apple forum? Pretty weird stuff, and somebody who works for Fortune 500 would have to "talk to people in technology?"



    Also, clearly an Eastern European or Russian given his lack of "thes". 15 years old. Vladisvastock.
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  • Reply 228 of 304
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    They didn't release a damn thing?if Apple hadn't bought their technology (and enormously improved it), it would be sitting around in some dusty storage room somewhere. At best?actually it would probably be the same place as the blueprints of the Saturn V?nowhere.



    The Xerox Star was a commercial product, and was release prior to the Lisa.





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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    And soon after, would connect with 100% Your point? Would you realistically expect a Windows version of iTunes to come out before one that worked on Apple's own computers?



    What good is it if you are the first to release a product that no one can use. The iPod took off once the Windows version of iTunes was released.





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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    You know damn well what he meant. DRM-free (legal) music downloads are available online because of the years-long battle Steve Jobs fought with the record labels. Sure, they tried to punish him by allowing Amazon to have them first, but that didn't last long.



    No I don't know what he means. He is the only one that knows what he means, but what he said was wrong.



    Plus Apple is for DRM, they push it for their own products.



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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    What part of the phrase "real internet" is eluding you? Oh that's right?it's not "real" because it doesn't have that mobile Flash player that's still "coming soon".



    I know what the real internet is, but do you? I was using the "Real" internet on phones and handheld based devices years before the iPhone was released.





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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    10-pound bricks, running Windows with no keyboards, were "usable"? Right.



    Yes they were. Don't confused desirability and usability, they are very different things.
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  • Reply 229 of 304
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    They didnt release anything. the first commercial use of mouse and icons was APple, and it was derided by austistics for a decade. Until Windows 95. They they loved it.



    Like I said in my last post, the Xerox Star was a commercial product, and predated the Lisa.





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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    Within about a year of it existence, and with about 5% of the smartphone market, the iPhone had 90% of the mobile internet. Because webkit and safari actually did the full internet. The others were toy WAP internet.



    Nice speech, pity you were wrong. There were, and I have used phone based web browsers prior to the iPhone, not WAP based ones.



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    Originally Posted by asdasd View Post


    AI should have a list of APple firsts. First commercial WIMP interface, first modern Tablet, first modern smartphone, first PDA, first games console etc. We can then link for the Androids and then can go bang their heads on their desks, repeatedly.



    Why should they, there is existing proof that they didn't.
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  • Reply 230 of 304
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    The only abuse I'm aware of on this forum is coming from AndroidDomination, MacRulez, and their ilk. And gossip doesn't interest me.



    The abuse you throw at the other user while you claimed they were wrong, when it was actually you that was wrong. And what gossip? The documented proof, or the stuff you are saying?
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  • Reply 231 of 304
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    Originally Posted by ThePixelDoc View Post


    To the guy(s) calling SJ a "whiny bitch":

    Let me come over and steal your "significant others" charms, and we'll see who's the whiny one. You seem to forget that the passion, obsession, and "it's-my-baby" protection that SJ shows towards his and Apple's products, is why they "just work", and are as successful as they are.



    SJ was literally stabbed in the back once as we all know = shame on him for being so naive;



    SJ is consumed and enraged that it has happened again, this time with Eric Schmidt/Google = shame on you for thinking he's gonna stand back and take it this time while "his baby" get's molested. I know I'd go after the _________!



    Infringement !=stealing



    Getting angry over it is one thing, suing over it when it will not help you sell anymore phones (since they claim they can't make enough as it is) is flat out retarded.



    And don't give me "we have to protect our ip or it becomes invalid" argument. Touch wiz didn't come out yesterday or even last year.
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  • Reply 232 of 304
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member
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    Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post


    Hey, nice of you to join us annonymouse! I see you are now claiming that google rewrites history! Quite funny because this has nothing to do with android or google!



    I know you keep thinking I own an android phone and that's the best strawman argument you have, showing how incapable you are of using any of the other 40 logical fallacies, but I'll keep saying it for the 50th fucking time, I don't own one.



    Have a nice day!



    You don't have to own an Android phone to be a Google shill. Then again, you could simply be lying, like you apparently did when you said you were putting me on your ignore list.



    BTW, the part about rewriting history is about how you and menno are part of a Google sponsored astroturfing program that puts out this kind of bullshit. Sort of like how when Page, a year or so ago, tried to claim that Apple was rewriting history and that Android was developed before the iPhone/iOS. Sound familiar? Of course, he failed to mention that the "Android" he was talking about is not Android, but another phone OS also called "Android" that was never released.



    The rewriting of history, lies, deceit, misinformation are all part and parcel of the Google propaganda machine that you are proud to be part of.
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  • Reply 233 of 304
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Google does have an awesome propaganda machine. Android is a clear derivative of the iPhone interaction - the touch based zoom and look and feel demoed by Apple in Jan 2007 - and is using Sun's code which it has now closed ( in violation of the licence). Meanwhile it has forked Linux, and, of course, does not open source anything valuable from it's own technology portfolio. No Maps and no Search. Nothing that would allow others to compete. Apple open sourced webkit - used in most Android phones - and used to open source Darwin. Google is giving up no IP and stealing where it can. ( It also leeches off other people's content of course).



    I think the app store scared Google. An app doesn't require a search. Otherwise the user will search the web; for a restaurant, a cinema listing etc. That gets an ad into view, and a payment if clicked. With a restaurant app that step is bypassed.



    google need to disrupt this market - there interest in the app market can be gauged by how slow they were to bring the paid Android market to most countries, something which a cloud based expert like google should have no problem with. People are now used to free apps on Google, paid by ads. Lets see if that model scales, I dont think it can given the slow rate of increase of advertising revenue and the large rise in apps. But goggle will get their cut, even if 99% of ad revenue goes to 10 apps, and the rest be damned.



    More money from other's content.
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  • Reply 234 of 304
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    ... There are no good guys, there are no bad guys, there are just capitalists and they are all vying for your money. ...



    Despite the fact that the poster you are replying to presents an entirely warped perspective contrary to the the facts, I have to strongly disagree with you on this point. The idea that the activity of capitalism is essentially amoral is a particularly pernicious mistake. Economic actions do not enjoy some special status where they are free from ethical considerations. If anything, economic activity has even greater moral implication than most acts. It's when people try to rationalize that away or simply ignore it that the entire system breaks down, and it's exactly this ignoring of the moral consequences of actions that's led to the economic catastrophe we are in the midst of. Without morality, there are no good economic systems
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  • Reply 235 of 304
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,123member
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    Originally Posted by sprockkets View Post


    Infringement !=stealing ...



    Actually, that's exactly what infringement is, theft of intellectual property.
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  • Reply 236 of 304
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AndroidDomination View Post


    Yeah.. typical Apple bullshit.. when you start revealing garbage about Apple or stuff doesn't work.. don't get upset..it's only electronics.. it's not important..



    IT IS IMPORTANT because our lives are increasingly depending on technology and money we spend goes somewhere.. Of course it's important.



    No I"m not a kid.

    I am a creative director with 2 design degrees and one of my main topics was contemporary design during the studies.. on top of that, i have worked for Fortune 500 companies.. among which some things for Apple believe it or not.



    My facts are not skewed.. they are truth.. they are only skewed from the perspective of those who try to defend Apple.. I've personally talked to many people who were involved in technology and what was happening during that time.



    I'm not upset at all.. I'm actually very calm.. I just really dislike the BS coming from Apple and PR shills and so on trying to defend them.



    Other than that..I'm fine thanks. I would say Apple fans are mad and upset because Apple stuff and market-share are going back to insignificance just like it did with desktops and WIndows.



    So are you Charlie Sheen or something?
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  • Reply 237 of 304
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    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    The abuse you throw at the other user while you claimed they were wrong, when it was actually you that was wrong. And what gossip? The documented proof, or the stuff you are saying?



    The tabloid gossip you linked to. And what are you denying? That "Lisa" is Steve Jobs' daughter? That he named a $10,000 computer after her? That her birthdate is the origin of the Mac's timekeeping system? All these are physical facts, not innuendo. So, yes?I am uninterested in gossip.
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  • Reply 238 of 304
    sennensennen Posts: 1,472member
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    Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post


    A lot of the most vocal fandroids, linux geeks, and freetards are autistic to one degree or another. This has been my observation, both in real life and on the internet. Pointing out superiority in aesthetics, ergonomics, or ease-of-use just infuriates them, so there's no point in doing it. They can't perceive these differences



    Not going to delve into the mental capacity/affliction issue, but in general my experience with those on the engineering and software engineering side of things, this rings true. Even take out the word "superiority".
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  • Reply 239 of 304
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    The Xerox Star was a commercial product, and was release prior to the Lisa.









    What good is it if you are the first to release a product that no one can use. The iPod took off once the Windows version of iTunes was released.









    No I don't know what he means. He is the only one that knows what he means, but what he said was wrong.



    Plus Apple is for DRM, they push it for their own products.







    I know what the real internet is, but do you? I was using the "Real" internet on phones and handheld based devices years before the iPhone was released.









    Yes they were. Don't confused desirability and usability, they are very different things.



    So much disinformation, so little time...nah, not worth the waste of electrons. You've posted 2145 posts on an Apple-oriented website to say how much you hate Apple. There's no breaking through that wall of pathology. Enjoy whatever they're paying you?or if they're not paying you, consider therapy.



    (That goes for AndroidDomination, MacRules, Menno, sprocketts, etc., etc., et endless cetera.)
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  • Reply 240 of 304
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    Originally Posted by xSamplex View Post


    Apple has been EXPOSED. Let's face the fact that technology is rife with unattributed cross-fertilization, stop suing each other, and build great products instead. Eh?



    Really? Why spend the millions of dollars in R&D if anyone can just copy it? IP and patents protect the competitive advantage of everyone. You would think differently the first time your work was ripped-off.
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