So what are those of us who are waiting for our AT&T contract to be up at the end of June supposed to do? I'll have to get the iPhone 4 in late June, so will I be stuck with that for another two years now? I just waited two years because I thought the iPhone 5 would be available in June. This sucks!
That's pretty much my situation, too. My battery life is getting shorter and so is my patience. By the time September rolls around, I'll be good and frustrated with my iPhone 3Gs. I could get an iPhone 4 now, but it wasn't compelling enough when introduced last year...so why miss the next bump?
If Apple is changing it's delivery schedule, there better be a reason that's useful for customers. If it's just to help them fleece new college students, it'll be a big slap in the face.
If it is iPhone 4S I'm sure the anti-Apple crowd will call say it stands for Sheep. Who else would buy the same looking phone with a tiny 3.5" screen with only a speed bump except fanboys.
If it is iPhone 4S I'm sure the anti-Apple crowd will call say it stands for Sheep. Who else would buy the same looking phone with a tiny 3.5" screen with only a speed bump except fanboys.
A fanboy who likes his phone, but wants more storage capacity and has a battery that doesn't hold a charge as well as it used to.
It doesn't make sense. Why delay until September if you only make minimal changes? If they delay the launch, they must work on something very hard to implement, something revolutionary, not just a faster processor.
I bet it's LTE that's holding it up, and I bet it's on the way.
What about the rest of the planet? How soon until the entire world is bathed in LTE?
4G phones can also run on 3G networks. The HTC Thunderbolt had difficulty making the changeover, when released, but just got an update to fix the LTE to CDMA handoff better. I'm sure the iPhone will be similar, where you can use it in 4G areas, or 3G. They're probably working on a singular solution that will allow them to make 1 iPhone, but work on both networks in 3G or 4G. I'm sure Apple doesn't like making multiple iPhones, when they can consolidate the design to a singular offering that works on both. That chip that can do all of that is probably partly to blame for the holdup, as they need time to get it right.
This is a case where it would have been better to ask questions than to make assumptions. What you are looking at are two different color temperatures of light in the same picture.
Our brains adjust for various color temps to balance everything out to white. Cameras cannot do that and will record different color temps within the same shot as it literally sees it.
The orange light is the indoor light - the blue light is from outdoors.
Every camera is going to process this problem a bit differently. The blue tint isn't a problem. The blue tint means the iPhone faithfully captured what it saw.
The worst way to handle this would be to allow the blue portion to blow out into a haze of white. Which means the camera had to clip the highlight detail and preserve the middle and lower range of the image. The iPhone did not do that. Which is good.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostface147
Well I am not a photographer by any means, just point and shoot, but it is disappointing to have this happen. I asked several bystanders to take pics with their cell phones/point and shoot/dSLR cameras and best I could see, only the iPhone 4 had this blut tint. A couple were Android devices, one crap blackberry phone (which of course was horrible anyways), Canon point, and shoot and a Mark II something dSLR (which I think is overkill for internal shots like this). None had the blue tint, so I guess they do something different.
Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.
There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.
Respectfully, I would offer that the shot you took with your phone is impossible for any current camera to work out in a single exposure straight out of the body, without agreeing to comprimises. It would require multiple exposures combined via HDR in post processing to end up with a pleasing balance on the difference in color balance, and perhaps more importantly, the quite large difference in exposure value. There isn't any camera made that I know of that can capture that image "successfully" in one shot without losing on the highlights at the top of the cathedral, or the shadows in the recesses, or the huge variance in the kelvin of multiple light sources. Neither can your eye. But your brain helps to fix it so that you remember it "more naturally" for whatever that may mean.
4G phones can also run on 3G networks. The HTC Thunderbolt had difficulty making the changeover, when released, but just got an update to fix the LTE to CDMA handoff better. I'm sure the iPhone will be similar, where you can use it in 4G areas, or 3G. They're probably working on a singular solution that will allow them to make 1 iPhone, but work on both networks in 3G or 4G. I'm sure Apple doesn't like making multiple iPhones, when they can consolidate the design to a singular offering that works on both. That chip that can do all of that is probably partly to blame for the holdup, as they need time to get it right.
Respectfully, I would offer that the shot you took with your phone is impossible for any current camera to work out in a single exposure straight out of the body, without agreeing to comprimises. It would require multiple exposures combined via HDR in post processing to end up with a pleasing balance on the difference in color balance, and perhaps more importantly, the quite large difference in exposure value. There isn't any camera made that I know of that can capture that image "successfully" in one shot without losing on the highlights at the top of the cathedral, or the shadows in the recesses, or the huge variance in the kelvin of multiple light sources. Neither can your eye. But your brain helps to fix it so that you remember it "more naturally" for whatever that may mean.
That said, I really like the picture.
I agree it's a tricky shot for any camera, but ghostface147's post was correct. The iPhone 4 loves getting the white balance messed up.
Below I've included a couple of pictures of an off-white coloured door with a fluorescent lighting source (i.e. no sun).
No points for guessing which one was taken with the iPhone 4
Bit of an exaggeration. The northern part of Japan which was destroyed was mostly farming and fishing. The high-tech sector is in southern Japan and remains completely intact. There are some electrical power issues but nothing that serious. I'm not dismissing the extent of the tragedy but "Wiped of the face of the Earth" is just a bit much.
Sounds about right, but my impression is there were critical component supply issues because some manufacturing plants in the area were damaged. You're right to say it's not a manufacturing heavy area, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. We're already seeing automakers and camera makers having to cut back production. It only takes a limited supply of one part to cause production problems for the finished product.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Firefly7475
I agree it's a tricky shot for any camera, but ghostface147's post was correct. The iPhone 4 loves getting the white balance messed up.
Below I've included a couple of pictures of an off-white coloured door with a fluorescent lighting source (i.e. no sun).
No points for guessing which one was taken with the iPhone 4
This is the problem I was talking about, I think it is an unrelated problem. This is fluorescent, ghostface's picture doesn't have fluorescent lighting.
Comments
So what are those of us who are waiting for our AT&T contract to be up at the end of June supposed to do? I'll have to get the iPhone 4 in late June, so will I be stuck with that for another two years now? I just waited two years because I thought the iPhone 5 would be available in June. This sucks!
That's pretty much my situation, too. My battery life is getting shorter and so is my patience. By the time September rolls around, I'll be good and frustrated with my iPhone 3Gs. I could get an iPhone 4 now, but it wasn't compelling enough when introduced last year...so why miss the next bump?
If Apple is changing it's delivery schedule, there better be a reason that's useful for customers. If it's just to help them fleece new college students, it'll be a big slap in the face.
I thought it stood for September.
If it is iPhone 4S I'm sure the anti-Apple crowd will call say it stands for Sheep. Who else would buy the same looking phone with a tiny 3.5" screen with only a speed bump except fanboys.
If it is iPhone 4S I'm sure the anti-Apple crowd will call say it stands for Sheep. Who else would buy the same looking phone with a tiny 3.5" screen with only a speed bump except fanboys.
A fanboy who likes his phone, but wants more storage capacity and has a battery that doesn't hold a charge as well as it used to.
It doesn't make sense. Why delay until September if you only make minimal changes? If they delay the launch, they must work on something very hard to implement, something revolutionary, not just a faster processor.
I bet it's LTE that's holding it up, and I bet it's on the way.
What about the rest of the planet? How soon until the entire world is bathed in LTE?
4G phones can also run on 3G networks. The HTC Thunderbolt had difficulty making the changeover, when released, but just got an update to fix the LTE to CDMA handoff better. I'm sure the iPhone will be similar, where you can use it in 4G areas, or 3G. They're probably working on a singular solution that will allow them to make 1 iPhone, but work on both networks in 3G or 4G. I'm sure Apple doesn't like making multiple iPhones, when they can consolidate the design to a singular offering that works on both. That chip that can do all of that is probably partly to blame for the holdup, as they need time to get it right.
In case anyone is interested, here is what I did:
Overall, do people on here think the iPhone 4 is a good point and shoot camera?
I liked the original more. Btw it's a good shot, composition wise.
Our brains adjust for various color temps to balance everything out to white. Cameras cannot do that and will record different color temps within the same shot as it literally sees it.
The orange light is the indoor light - the blue light is from outdoors.
FYI: Color Temperature
Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.
There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.
Overall, do people on here think the iPhone 4 is a good point and shoot camera?
The worst way to handle this would be to allow the blue portion to blow out into a haze of white. Which means the camera had to clip the highlight detail and preserve the middle and lower range of the image. The iPhone did not do that. Which is good.
Well I am not a photographer by any means, just point and shoot, but it is disappointing to have this happen. I asked several bystanders to take pics with their cell phones/point and shoot/dSLR cameras and best I could see, only the iPhone 4 had this blut tint. A couple were Android devices, one crap blackberry phone (which of course was horrible anyways), Canon point, and shoot and a Mark II something dSLR (which I think is overkill for internal shots like this). None had the blue tint, so I guess they do something different.
Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.
There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.
Respectfully, I would offer that the shot you took with your phone is impossible for any current camera to work out in a single exposure straight out of the body, without agreeing to comprimises. It would require multiple exposures combined via HDR in post processing to end up with a pleasing balance on the difference in color balance, and perhaps more importantly, the quite large difference in exposure value. There isn't any camera made that I know of that can capture that image "successfully" in one shot without losing on the highlights at the top of the cathedral, or the shadows in the recesses, or the huge variance in the kelvin of multiple light sources. Neither can your eye. But your brain helps to fix it so that you remember it "more naturally" for whatever that may mean.
That said, I really like the picture.
Thanks for the answers guys.....I'll ask questions and make less assumptions.
Especially one that doesn't add a blue tint to indoor shots under certain lighting.
There is no blue anywhere in our State Capital. However outdoor shots look great.
God bless TEXAS! I love the CHL line.
4G phones can also run on 3G networks. The HTC Thunderbolt had difficulty making the changeover, when released, but just got an update to fix the LTE to CDMA handoff better. I'm sure the iPhone will be similar, where you can use it in 4G areas, or 3G. They're probably working on a singular solution that will allow them to make 1 iPhone, but work on both networks in 3G or 4G. I'm sure Apple doesn't like making multiple iPhones, when they can consolidate the design to a singular offering that works on both. That chip that can do all of that is probably partly to blame for the holdup, as they need time to get it right.
Who's doing voice calls over LTE?
Respectfully, I would offer that the shot you took with your phone is impossible for any current camera to work out in a single exposure straight out of the body, without agreeing to comprimises. It would require multiple exposures combined via HDR in post processing to end up with a pleasing balance on the difference in color balance, and perhaps more importantly, the quite large difference in exposure value. There isn't any camera made that I know of that can capture that image "successfully" in one shot without losing on the highlights at the top of the cathedral, or the shadows in the recesses, or the huge variance in the kelvin of multiple light sources. Neither can your eye. But your brain helps to fix it so that you remember it "more naturally" for whatever that may mean.
That said, I really like the picture.
I agree it's a tricky shot for any camera, but ghostface147's post was correct. The iPhone 4 loves getting the white balance messed up.
Below I've included a couple of pictures of an off-white coloured door with a fluorescent lighting source (i.e. no sun).
No points for guessing which one was taken with the iPhone 4
Bit of an exaggeration. The northern part of Japan which was destroyed was mostly farming and fishing. The high-tech sector is in southern Japan and remains completely intact. There are some electrical power issues but nothing that serious. I'm not dismissing the extent of the tragedy but "Wiped of the face of the Earth" is just a bit much.
Sounds about right, but my impression is there were critical component supply issues because some manufacturing plants in the area were damaged. You're right to say it's not a manufacturing heavy area, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. We're already seeing automakers and camera makers having to cut back production. It only takes a limited supply of one part to cause production problems for the finished product.
I agree it's a tricky shot for any camera, but ghostface147's post was correct. The iPhone 4 loves getting the white balance messed up.
Below I've included a couple of pictures of an off-white coloured door with a fluorescent lighting source (i.e. no sun).
No points for guessing which one was taken with the iPhone 4
This is the problem I was talking about, I think it is an unrelated problem. This is fluorescent, ghostface's picture doesn't have fluorescent lighting.