Researchers raise privacy concerns over location tracking in Apple's iOS 4

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  • Reply 61 of 137
    dr millmossdr millmoss Posts: 5,403member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    That looks suspicious. Tie it to your dog or cat and let it roam around your home.



    Buy a burner phone, have it forwarded to some other number so it doesn?t tie you to the area, call yourself at home and have it auto answer with an app you make so it can seem like you were home on the phone when the crime was committed. But don?t make the call happen exactly when the crime took place, just make it close enough that it would be impossible for you to have been in both places in that time frame.



    Also, don?t commit crimes.



    Or better yet, teleport yourself into another dimension. It's the only place where the thought police and the black helicopters can't find you.



    BTW, I stayed away from these boards for a month or so, hoping that the level of discourse might magically improve. Is it my imagination, or has it only grown worse?
  • Reply 62 of 137
    stevetimstevetim Posts: 482member
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    Originally Posted by EDemerzel View Post


    Did you bother to read the article and comments? Or the article it referenced and the comments there? People have already linked the reasons that Apple gave. Which by the way happened last year.



    I agree with you, I tend to believe this was an oversite and not malicious on Apples part, however, can you give me the reasons Apple gave. And can you tell me what happened last year, I can find no credible reference?
  • Reply 63 of 137
    mennomenno Posts: 854member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevetim View Post


    Can you tell me where apple disclosed that they are gathering real time location data and storing it on the phone?



    I've already linked to it. Two different locations in fact. I'm not going to link it again to you personally.
  • Reply 64 of 137
    stevetimstevetim Posts: 482member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Menno View Post


    Advertising mainly, just like most other companies. They actually have a pretty standard contract for it. Personal data is anonymized and/or aggregated before being used to provide locally relevant ads and information to you (that the user opts in for).



    Their reasoning for collecting the data is largely harmless (as long as this file is related to that, which I think it is)



    Since the authors of the article do not think the data is being transmitted to apple I doubt that they are tracking for ad purposes. I can believe it is for testing purposes.
  • Reply 65 of 137
    _hawkeye__hawkeye_ Posts: 139member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AdonisSMU View Post


    ROTFL!!! Sarcasm is fun. Most here won't get it but I do.



    Yeah, you?re right. I?m one of those who didn?t catch the sarcasm. Still don?t.



    I think Mode is either a Republican? or a moron. Of course, it?s getting harder and harder these days to tell the difference. (Not that Democrats are any better, mind you.)
  • Reply 66 of 137
    pxtpxt Posts: 683member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    Security researchers have discovered that Apple's iOS 4 mobile operating system, found on both the iPhone and iPad, keeps a log of user's locations and saves the data to a hidden file on the device.




    ... which Google then email to the NSA.



    Anyone missing any relatives? Hope they like watersports.
  • Reply 67 of 137
    hellacoolhellacool Posts: 759member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EDemerzel;


    Did you bother to read the article and comments? Or the article it referenced and the comments there? People have already linked the reasons that Apple gave. Which by the way happened last year.



    Did you? I'm not seeing it? I guess if I have to link from this article to another article to another it may be in there but based on THIS article and THESE comments I only see a blurb about contacting Apple security with no response.
  • Reply 68 of 137
    hellacoolhellacool Posts: 759member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Menno;


    I've already linked to it. Two different locations in fact. I'm not going to link it again to you personally.



    I looked at the links. Nowhere does it say this data would be stored, un-encrypted and go back a whole year. Also to say anonymous is a stretch. Loaded the app and it instantly ID my wife's phone as hers. They simply are saying they will gather data but nowhere do I see them admitting to what extent and how it truly is being used and how easily accessible it is.
  • Reply 69 of 137
    ai-pdnai-pdn Posts: 3member
    Does anyone know how the location data is actually calculated? I looked at my traces with the app mentioned and there are some approximate location points stored when I was in another country with data roaming off and out of wifi range. Does it store the cell tower data and look up the location the next time it has a data connection?
  • Reply 70 of 137
    stevetimstevetim Posts: 482member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Menno View Post


    I've already linked to it. Two different locations in fact. I'm not going to link it again to you personally.



    Those articles really don't answer the question for me. If this file is resident on a phone, then according to your article links apple is in violation of it's own security policy because it would be very easy for me to grab your phone and see where you have been. I can get your personal info and i can get your geo log. Apples security policies that you are linking to clearly state that there is no way for anyone to link personal information to the geo tracking. So do you see the difference? Do you see why many would have a problem with this? All i have to do is grab your phone and I can tell you dates and times of where you have been for at least a year.
  • Reply 71 of 137
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    Originally Posted by chronster View Post


    ... What the hell is wrong with you? jk i already know



    My "problem" is that I use reason and research to try to figure things out instead of just reacting rabidly to what I read on some blog. I can remember things from longer ago than last year, and I generally don't fall for a lot of claptrap from idiots with no knowledge of what they speak.



    This means I don't fit in on teh internets at all!
  • Reply 72 of 137
    zoetmbzoetmb Posts: 2,639member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Mode View Post


    Can't apologize this one away - it is what it is... Government spying on its citizens.



    Apple products are going to be re-branded by the public replacing the 'I' with 'spy'.



    At least now there is some transparency on why Obama and SJ met. Obama has been pushing for more warrantlees domestic spying powers. What better way to get people to willfully, and unexpectedly, participate then to plant it in coveted technology.



    Last straw for me. Sold.

    I don't invest in unethical stocks.



    I know this post is going to get trashed - I also know that regardless of what the usual apologists say, deep down it's bothering their conscious. There has to be a point where freedom and liberty are valued more then profit. Some cross that line before others I guess.



    This is no random mistake. This is very intentional. As soon as Obama gets the go-ahead for warrantless wi-fi and cellular spying - this data will be collected and used.



    You really need some help (assuming this wasn't 'sarcasm'). Maybe you should take off your tin hat.



    I'm not claiming that this file is a good thing, but there is absolutely no evidence that this file is being sent or stored anywhere except locally. Furthermore, do you really think Obama personally asked Steve Jobs to create a location file on the iPhone so that if they arrested anyone, they could track their movements? Give me a break.
  • Reply 73 of 137
    hellacoolhellacool Posts: 759member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post


    You really need some help (assuming this wasn't 'sarcasm'). Maybe you should take off your tin hat.



    I'm not claiming that this file is a good thing, but there is absolutely no evidence that this file is being sent or stored anywhere except locally. Furthermore, do you really think Obama personally asked Steve Jobs to create a location file on the iPhone so that if they arrested anyone, they could track their movements? Give me a break.



    Yeah, and yesterday there was no evidence that this file even existed, let alone un-encrypted on your Mac/PC and phone. Only time will tell how far this rabbit hole goes.
  • Reply 74 of 137
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevetim View Post


    I agree with you, I tend to believe this was an oversite and not malicious on Apples part, however, can you give me the reasons Apple gave. And can you tell me what happened last year, I can find no credible reference?



    If it is a nefarious endeavor then I'd have expected them to encrypt the file so they wouldn't get caught tracking their flock.
  • Reply 75 of 137
    tonygtonyg Posts: 1member
    These two obviously have to much time on their hands.
  • Reply 76 of 137
    hkzhkz Posts: 190member
    This is spelled out in Apples policy in iTunes and the iPhone updates as far as I know. This doesn't bother me at all because of two things.



    1. AT&T service is so bad where I live, and the towers are so far apart that I can't get a reliable cell signal or a reliable GPS signal. Good luck tracking me with that data, it'll be so bad it wot matter.



    2. I have an out of state area code, my address isn't listed correctly on any mapping service and all they would know is I drive back and forth to work 5 days a week. It doesn't affect me in the least that anyone could find out where I go, if they obtained that info yet are already in that area anyway.



    What I'm more concerned about is AT&T willingly handing over any and all access to the US Government to monitor my phone calls and texts. But with the amount of illegal monitoring by the US Government these days, and the uneducated masses either ignoring it or blaming the end action on a political party that's no different from it's competition this isn't going to change any time soon. I'm not happy about that but I'm even more happy that I'm treated like a criminal whenever I feel the need to exercise my right to travel unhindered. This is nothing compared to that and is spelled out every time you agree to update your phone. I don't see why everyone is getting upset over this, there are much worse things going on in your local airports than this, get angry about that instead.
  • Reply 77 of 137
    gmhutgmhut Posts: 242member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheMacadvocate View Post


    What is it you think Jobs and Obama were talking about at that technology innovators' dinner? THEY WERE SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER!!



    /cue string crescendo



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  • Reply 78 of 137
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,509member
    That Apple might enable tracking of users' travels by request of the Government cannot be ruled out. And if Apple is cooperating with a tracking program designed and run by the US, they would most certainly be prohibited by law from commenting or acknowledging such a program anyway. But if that were the case, said program probably wouldn't be specific to Apple, instead involving most/all phone manufacturers and mobile providers.



    This isn't one of those "tin hat" stories, with several reliable and mainsteam sources noting the existence of location-mining programs run by the US and other governments. One of the most visible commenters is CNET.



    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-10030134-46.html
  • Reply 79 of 137
    mennomenno Posts: 854member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stevetim View Post


    Those articles really don't answer the question for me. If this file is resident on a phone, then according to your article links apple is in violation of it's own security policy because it would be very easy for me to grab your phone and see where you have been. I can get your personal info and i can get your geo log. Apples security policies that you are linking to clearly state that there is no way for anyone to link personal information to the geo tracking. So do you see the difference? Do you see why many would have a problem with this? All i have to do is grab your phone and I can tell you dates and times of where you have been for at least a year.



    You asked where it disclosed that they were gathering specific location data for users. That article explained it.



    I had no idea if this file is part of that system of that.



    And if you actually, you know, read what I've wrote on this topic, you would see that I DO have a problem with the data not being encrypted and that people SHOULDN'T be writing it off.



    Seriously, don't the teach "Context" to people anymore?



    And you can't grab my phone and get that information. I have an Android device running non-stock software.
  • Reply 80 of 137
    mennomenno Posts: 854member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    If it is a nefarious endeavor then I'd have expected them to encrypt the file so they wouldn't get caught tracking their flock.



    More than likely it was just a random bit of code that didn't get removed/finished before the OS shipped.



    Nothing nefarious, just human.
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