bowling for columbine
probably already discussed,
but I wonder how americans thinks about the movie and the topic.
<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com"; target="_blank">www.michaelmoore.com</a>
but I wonder how americans thinks about the movie and the topic.
<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com"; target="_blank">www.michaelmoore.com</a>
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<strong>My question is when is he going to get the gastric bypass?</strong><hr></blockquote>
really ?
I thought thats another widespread "american" problem.
But for real, what do you think about liberal weapon rights , the NRA, and so on ???
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really ?
I thought thats another widespread "american" problem.
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Most of the responses by Americans to the questions Moore raises that I have seen follow the format of calling him fat and ugly and then attacking the film for not providing any answers.
The irony is of course that none of these people post pictures or vital statistics so that I can gauge if i should agree with their viewpoint and that they also fail to answer the questions or raise any better ones.
Moore certainly seems to make Americans uncomfortable, even some of the liberals seem to enjoy attacking him.
why are in the US so many people killed by murder ?
Moore 's answer is not so clear. He says it's the media and the politics who pushes the fear ( of the bad, black guy). So almost everybody has a gun, and use it without hesistate when they come in a conflict they can't handle.
I think thats true somehow. The people were frightened and manipulated by media and politiciens. Also manipulated to focus on materialism and the pressure in the society, to have and to be something is big.
And a humanlife is gets less and less worth.
Well I'm not satisfied with that already and still look for other answers to the questions. Anybody ?
Washington DC has a complete gun ban and among the highest gun violence rates in the world. Obviously "getting rid" of guns only affects law-abiding people.
Why would a person willing to commit capital murder decide to obey a GUN law? DUH!
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I thought thats another widespread "american" problem.
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The most dangerous "american" problem is the prevalence of folks who don't understand basic human rights and want to take them away. Such as the right to defend oneself.
<strong>yes, owning a gun is a basic human right... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
It's in our bill of rights.
More to the point may be that liberals like to march around and sound off about losing our "rights". But when they come across rights they don't agree with then protecting rights is not all that important anymore.
hmm... Where is that article on guns?
Bill who?
aaaannnnnnddddddd......
If they just outlawed.....hmmmmmm....let's just say alcohol, then no one would want to drink it any more!!!
I mean it's not as if you would end up inadvertantly starting a massive organized crime element that you couldn't track and would haunt your society for years.
Oh course not! Who EVER heard of such a thing happening!?
Yes, from us norwegians, who gained independence in 1905... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Our constitution is also quite good, right up there with the french and american, exept for the gun part...
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It's in our bill of rights.
More to the point may be that liberals like to march around and sound off about losing our "rights". But when they come across rights they don't agree with then protecting rights is not all that important anymore.</strong><hr></blockquote>
SELF-DEFENSE exists as a basic human right with or without the 2nd Amendment.
<strong>but who is to defend the rest of us from the self-defenders...?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The question should be "when am I going to thank the self-defenders for making my life safer."
Because I own a gun, you're less likely to be assaulted, car-jacked, or murdered. Because you live in a state of denial and think that guns are "evil" I end up bearing some of the cost of your safety. By owning a gun, I end up enabling people who live in deep denial about their relative safety in society.
You're welcome.
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Call it denial, to me it's statistics.
And, btw, thanks for watching out for me!
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To me, this sums up the problem. If there had been no guns present, no one would have been shot. They would have had a fight, maybe a bruised face, knuckles, and ego, but no one shot. The widespread presence of guns makes this kind of shooting more likely.
BTW, it was at a church team basketball practice.
<strong>I just happened to read <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Midwest/11/24/basketball.shooting.ap/index.html"; target="_blank">this story.</a> Kids were playing basketball, got in a tussle, and one went to his things and got a gun and shot another.
To me, this sums up the problem. If there had been no guns present, no one would have been shot. They would have had a fight, maybe a bruised face, knuckles, and ego, but no one shot. The widespread presence of guns makes this kind of shooting more likely.
BTW, it was at a church team basketball practice.</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, but if the other guy had had a gun . . .and the other players too . . well then . . . .um . . . ahh
<a href="http://www.spinsanity.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.spinsanity.com/</a>;
[quote]Forbes finds more falsehoods in Moore's "Bowling" (11/25)
By Ben Fritz
As more observers take a critical look at Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," the number of lies and distortions found in the film keep piling up.
In addition to the deceptions I chronicled last week, Dan Lyons of Forbes magazine has noted four lies or distortions, three of which have not been previously reported. They continue two patterns of Moore's: relying on old news reports that simple research would reveal to be wrong and altering reality in order to make a point that he believes is valid.
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Rathing interesting reading.
<strong>You have remember that after fighting off european oppression the framers crafted the right to own guns to protect us from you.
The Second Amendment is designed to protect "us" from the government. I doubt the Framers had any intention of involving themselves in European politics.
...Or anyone else's politics for that matter, but that's a different rant.