The T-bolt sales were only for the last two weeks of March. Without a matching "last two weeks of March" sales figure for the iPhone there's no direct comparison. Makes it a guessing game. It's no different than stating ATT iPhone sales are clearly outselling Verizon, tho VZ had 5 weeks less to do it in.
I'm not sure anyone indicated that the Thunderbolt was outselling the iPhone company wide anyway did they? The reports I saw mentioned "in some stores", which could certainly be possible.
Considering that it was "common knowledge" that Verizon was getting the iPhone in 4Q10 and that it was officially announced on Jan 11, this was a very weak sales report for Verizon.
You must have not read all the way to the end of the article:
"Verizon Wireless added 1.8 million customers in the quarter, and now has 104 million total connections. For comparison, AT&T revealed on Wednesday that it added just 62,000 customers in the quarter."
Not really weak at all for Verizon. Maybe weak for Apple, at least lower numbers for the iPhone than I thought they would be on Verizon, but don't conflate the two. Customers strongly associate Android with Verizon, and continue to buy lots of them there.
I don't know how anyone can call that a failure of the Verizon phone. Apple could easily sell another 10-12 million more phones this year.
Did any single other phone sell that many in the same quarter, fail-mongers?
Well it's 2.2 M Verizon to 3.6 M AT&T, but there is no failure there when you consider this:
The quarter had 90 day and Verizon had the iPhone for 50 of those. Divide 50 by 90 and you have .555556. Multiply that by AT&Ts 3.6 Million to compare and you get 2M Phones at AT&T for same 50 days. So if Verizon had same sales all quarter they would be at around 3.96 to 4 M iPhones, beating AT&T.
So to me it looks like Apple just more than doubled there market in the US. That is a horrible fail.
Contrast that with more than a half M 4G phones (likely all Android) including the 260,000 HTC Thunderbolt handsets in two weeks (so 1/2 of the 1/2 Million were Thunderbolt). Thunderbolt numbers suggest a rollout of 1.7 M Thunderbolts a quarter if sale did not die down due demand tapering off or the next greatest Android phone to come out in XX days.
"Best-ever first-quarter increase in total wireless subscribers, up 2.0 million to reach 97.5 million subscribers in service, with gains in every category "
This is correct, but the problem is, the money-making, is more off of the retail post-paid customers, and AT&T said it was "Retail net adds for the quarter include postpaid net adds of 62,000". Whereas Verizon's was " 906,000 retail postpaid net customer additions"
This is correct, but the problem is, the money-making, is more off of the retail post-paid customers, and AT&T said it was "Retail net adds for the quarter include postpaid net adds of 62,000". Whereas Verizon's was " 906,000 retail postpaid net customer additions"
"Best-ever first-quarter increase in total wireless subscribers, up 2.0 million to reach 97.5 million subscribers in service, with gains in every category "
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It said V added 1.8 million customers while at&t just added 62,000.
We can play number games all day long but the statement was still incorrect.
1.8milli "total" customers for V, as it was 2.0milli total for AT&T. THose aren't number games, you just need to be able to read. The part that I mentioned as most critical are the retail post paid customers, because they make much more money off of them, and they are more of an indicator of how well you are doing. And in those figures, AT&T just added 62,000....whereas Verizon added 906,000.
1.8milli "total" customers for V, as it was 2.0milli total for AT&T. THose aren't number games, you just need to be able to read. The part that I mentioned as most critical are the retail post paid customers, because they make much more money off of them, and they are more of an indicator of how well you are doing. And in those figures, AT&T just added 62,000....whereas Verizon added 906,000.
You must have not read all the way to the end of the article:
"Verizon Wireless added 1.8 million customers in the quarter, and now has 104 million total connections. For comparison, AT&T revealed on Wednesday that it added just 62,000 customers in the quarter."
Not really weak at all for Verizon. Maybe weak for Apple, at least lower numbers for the iPhone than I thought they would be on Verizon, but don't conflate the two. Customers strongly associate Android with Verizon, and continue to buy lots of them there.
V made 1.8 mill new connections pre-churn quote , V also lost a lot too
And how it possibly outsold iPhone on Verizon based on this number?
I?ll assume your numbers are correct:
90 ÷ 14 = 6.43
250,000 x 6.43 = 1,671,800
That?s still well under the 18.6 million iPhones Apple sold, well under the 3 million AT&T sold and well under the 2.2 million Verizon sold this past quarter.
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To be fair some people can't simply dump their contracts. iPhone 5 2011/2012 Verizon numbers should be more revealing.
To be fair, the contract dumping isn?t just a Verizon phenomenon so that fact holds for AT&T, too.
We will have to see the next quarter to get a fuller picture of AT&T v Verizon iPhone sales, but the reasoning that those that really wanted an iPhone on Verizon and were holding out ? which appeared to be the entire US according to these forums ? then then having almost 3 full months of official knowledge should have yielded better sales compared to AT&T.
Just to re-iterate the points above. 2.2 M for an old phone, when people are in contract, running at 60% of AT&T is amazing. Apple will grow market share in the US this year. And China. Those are the two it lost to Android recently.
Every damn time somebody mistakes a subsidised price with a real price. ( and a subsidised price on one particular contract in one particular country as well).
we have had whole forums on this so that will be my last post on the matter.
I know thats the subsidized price. The far majority of people are buying subsidized phones. An expectation of Apple to compete by offering a cheaper unsubsidized phone is something that no one else is doing.
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Grrrrrrrrrrr!
Every damn time somebody mistakes a subsidised price with a real price. ( and a subsidised price on one particular contract in one particular country as well).
Can?t wait to see the growth rate of the iPhone on Verizon compared to Android on Verizon. Maybe when I can show the iPhone on Verizon having stealing marketshare from Android or at least stalling it those who think marketshare is everything when talking about Android will finally realize that metric is pointless in and of itself.
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The Thunderbolt was only available for 2 weeks of Q1 bud.
That said, the iP4 will still outsell it by a huge margin. But ~267k of Thunderbolts is awesome for 2 weeks.
Are we taking units in channel or activations? Note the pre-order sales starting back on February 06th also part of this two week number.
What happened with the next 2 weeks of sales? Note the iPhone has 3 years running of selling more units after the holiday quarter than in it despite being at the lower half of its suspected refresh cycle.
Also note this is Verizon?s flagship Android phone so the sales should be higher for this device over other Android-based devices IMO. But the question is the longevity. Is that number sustainable each month? Will HTC be able to make a profit before they have to come out with a ?new hotness? again? How will the iPhone on Verizon affect the results of mobile OSes used on Verizon?s network?
(Just questions I have, Freshmaker, not so much directed at you as just being put on the table).
My prediction is that counting each phone badged as "Android" will out grow the iPhone on Verizon.
Because all of the Android manufacturers are willing to introduce an "awesome new Android phone" every couple of weeks. No one phone will ever outsell the iPhone on Verizon.
My prediction is that if Android continues on its current path, Android as a congruent platform will collapse under its own weight. I think Google can see this and is the reason they are pulling back the reigns a bit.
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Can?t wait to see the growth rate of the iPhone on Verizon compared to Android on Verizon. Maybe when I can show the iPhone on Verizon having stealing marketshare from Android or at least stalling it those who think marketshare is everything when talking about Android will finally realize that metric is pointless in and of itself.
I agree those are good numbers for the Thunderbolt. But for context with the initial launch of the iPhone it sells over 2 million units in its first week.
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The Thunderbolt was only available for 2 weeks of Q1 bud.
That said, the iP4 will still outsell it by a huge margin. But ~267k of Thunderbolts is awesome for 2 weeks.
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I'm not sure anyone indicated that the Thunderbolt was outselling the iPhone company wide anyway did they? The reports I saw mentioned "in some stores", which could certainly be possible.
Considering that it was "common knowledge" that Verizon was getting the iPhone in 4Q10 and that it was officially announced on Jan 11, this was a very weak sales report for Verizon.
This 30 second video says it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUaFywhywjA
You must have not read all the way to the end of the article:
"Verizon Wireless added 1.8 million customers in the quarter, and now has 104 million total connections. For comparison, AT&T revealed on Wednesday that it added just 62,000 customers in the quarter."
Not really weak at all for Verizon. Maybe weak for Apple, at least lower numbers for the iPhone than I thought they would be on Verizon, but don't conflate the two. Customers strongly associate Android with Verizon, and continue to buy lots of them there.
I don't know how anyone can call that a failure of the Verizon phone. Apple could easily sell another 10-12 million more phones this year.
Did any single other phone sell that many in the same quarter, fail-mongers?
2.2M Verizon vs. 3M AT&T.
I don't know how anyone can call that a failure of the Verizon phone. Apple could easily sell another 10-12 million more phones this year.
Did any single other phone sell that many in the same quarter, fail-mongers?
Well it's 2.2 M Verizon to 3.6 M AT&T, but there is no failure there when you consider this:
The quarter had 90 day and Verizon had the iPhone for 50 of those. Divide 50 by 90 and you have .555556. Multiply that by AT&Ts 3.6 Million to compare and you get 2M Phones at AT&T for same 50 days. So if Verizon had same sales all quarter they would be at around 3.96 to 4 M iPhones, beating AT&T.
So to me it looks like Apple just more than doubled there market in the US. That is a horrible fail.
Contrast that with more than a half M 4G phones (likely all Android) including the 260,000 HTC Thunderbolt handsets in two weeks (so 1/2 of the 1/2 Million were Thunderbolt). Thunderbolt numbers suggest a rollout of 1.7 M Thunderbolts a quarter if sale did not die down due demand tapering off or the next greatest Android phone to come out in XX days.
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pi...code=financial
"Best-ever first-quarter increase in total wireless subscribers, up 2.0 million to reach 97.5 million subscribers in service, with gains in every category "
This is correct, but the problem is, the money-making, is more off of the retail post-paid customers, and AT&T said it was "Retail net adds for the quarter include postpaid net adds of 62,000". Whereas Verizon's was " 906,000 retail postpaid net customer additions"
http://news.vzw.com/news/2011/04/pr2011-04-21.html
This is correct, but the problem is, the money-making, is more off of the retail post-paid customers, and AT&T said it was "Retail net adds for the quarter include postpaid net adds of 62,000". Whereas Verizon's was " 906,000 retail postpaid net customer additions"
http://news.vzw.com/news/2011/04/pr2011-04-21.html
It said V added 1.8 million customers while at&t just added 62,000.
We can play number games all day long but the statement was still incorrect.
So, I can just as easily say AT&T added 2.0 million customers while Verizon just added 906,000.
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pi...code=financial
"Best-ever first-quarter increase in total wireless subscribers, up 2.0 million to reach 97.5 million subscribers in service, with gains in every category "
It said V added 1.8 million customers while at&t just added 62,000.
We can play number games all day long but the statement was still incorrect.
1.8milli "total" customers for V, as it was 2.0milli total for AT&T. THose aren't number games, you just need to be able to read. The part that I mentioned as most critical are the retail post paid customers, because they make much more money off of them, and they are more of an indicator of how well you are doing. And in those figures, AT&T just added 62,000....whereas Verizon added 906,000.
1.8milli "total" customers for V, as it was 2.0milli total for AT&T. THose aren't number games, you just need to be able to read. The part that I mentioned as most critical are the retail post paid customers, because they make much more money off of them, and they are more of an indicator of how well you are doing. And in those figures, AT&T just added 62,000....whereas Verizon added 906,000.
You must have not read all the way to the end of the article:
"Verizon Wireless added 1.8 million customers in the quarter, and now has 104 million total connections. For comparison, AT&T revealed on Wednesday that it added just 62,000 customers in the quarter."
Not really weak at all for Verizon. Maybe weak for Apple, at least lower numbers for the iPhone than I thought they would be on Verizon, but don't conflate the two. Customers strongly associate Android with Verizon, and continue to buy lots of them there.
V made 1.8 mill new connections pre-churn quote , V also lost a lot too
ATT added 62k after the churn quote .
V also sell fios .
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And how it possibly outsold iPhone on Verizon based on this number?
I?ll assume your numbers are correct:That?s still well under the 18.6 million iPhones Apple sold, well under the 3 million AT&T sold and well under the 2.2 million Verizon sold this past quarter.
To be fair some people can't simply dump their contracts. iPhone 5 2011/2012 Verizon numbers should be more revealing.
To be fair, the contract dumping isn?t just a Verizon phenomenon so that fact holds for AT&T, too.
We will have to see the next quarter to get a fuller picture of AT&T v Verizon iPhone sales, but the reasoning that those that really wanted an iPhone on Verizon and were holding out ? which appeared to be the entire US according to these forums ? then then having almost 3 full months of official knowledge should have yielded better sales compared to AT&T.
We have another Samab on our hands. Geez........
Still need a cheaper iPhone though.
Still need a cheaper iPhone though.
Cheaper than the 3GS at $49?
Grrrrrrrrrrr!
Every damn time somebody mistakes a subsidised price with a real price. ( and a subsidised price on one particular contract in one particular country as well).
we have had whole forums on this so that will be my last post on the matter.
Back on topic, great news for Apple.
Android fans are not happy that the iPhone outsold the Thunderbolt on Verizon. I guess having LTE is not all that imperative.
The Thunderbolt was only available for 2 weeks of Q1 bud.
That said, the iP4 will still outsell it by a huge margin. But ~267k of Thunderbolts is awesome for 2 weeks.
Grrrrrrrrrrr!
Every damn time somebody mistakes a subsidised price with a real price. ( and a subsidised price on one particular contract in one particular country as well).
The Thunderbolt was only available for 2 weeks of Q1 bud.
That said, the iP4 will still outsell it by a huge margin. But ~267k of Thunderbolts is awesome for 2 weeks.
Are we taking units in channel or activations? Note the pre-order sales starting back on February 06th also part of this two week number.
What happened with the next 2 weeks of sales? Note the iPhone has 3 years running of selling more units after the holiday quarter than in it despite being at the lower half of its suspected refresh cycle.
Also note this is Verizon?s flagship Android phone so the sales should be higher for this device over other Android-based devices IMO. But the question is the longevity. Is that number sustainable each month? Will HTC be able to make a profit before they have to come out with a ?new hotness? again? How will the iPhone on Verizon affect the results of mobile OSes used on Verizon?s network?
(Just questions I have, Freshmaker, not so much directed at you as just being put on the table).
Because all of the Android manufacturers are willing to introduce an "awesome new Android phone" every couple of weeks. No one phone will ever outsell the iPhone on Verizon.
My prediction is that if Android continues on its current path, Android as a congruent platform will collapse under its own weight. I think Google can see this and is the reason they are pulling back the reigns a bit.
Can?t wait to see the growth rate of the iPhone on Verizon compared to Android on Verizon. Maybe when I can show the iPhone on Verizon having stealing marketshare from Android or at least stalling it those who think marketshare is everything when talking about Android will finally realize that metric is pointless in and of itself.
The Thunderbolt was only available for 2 weeks of Q1 bud.
That said, the iP4 will still outsell it by a huge margin. But ~267k of Thunderbolts is awesome for 2 weeks.