It's not a random audit, an API scan is performed on every application, and if any address book API's show up Apple will not approve the application before the developer clarifies why the application needs address book access.
I'm only passing on what Bud Tribble said during Franken's hearing. If it's wrong, Apple can clear things up by publishing their policies for protecting contact data.
Until that happens, I'll take the word of an Apple VP testifying before Congress over some guy on the internet any day of the week.
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What would you expect Apple to do, and how do you even think Apple would technically be able to 'inform users their data was stolen'
I'd expect Apple to notify everyone who's purchased the app in question that their data may have been breached. They can certainly notify users when an app they purchased has an update for them. They can notify users about privacy issues.
Common sense, really.
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are you in any way affiliated with/working for/are enjoying benefits from any of the parties involved with this legal circus?
I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Until that happens, I'll take the word of an Apple VP testifying before Congress over some guy on the internet any day of the week.
As will I, just like when any executive has continually stated that iOS does not, has not, and will not track you. An onboard file that requires root access is stored locally on your phone and never shared with anybody? The horror!
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I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Please let me know which apps are yours. This way, I can make sure to never in my right mind purchase them if I am unfortunate enough to stumble across them. Any developer that reacts this way and name-calls a potential customer is just foolish, and deserves no money from us.
No, it doesn't. So any app can steal your contact data without you ever knowing. This is against Apple policy, but there are no technical safeguards in place to enforce that policy. Instead Apple relies on random audits or an App being reported by users.
As far as I know the penalty for getting caught stealing a user's contact data is Apple requires the App to stop doing it within 24 hours. No other action is taken. Importantly, the user is never informed their data was stolen.
This is what I can gather from Apple's statements to Congress on the matter. But there is no published policy that I know of where Apple details exactly how it handles data theft.
That's incorrect. iOS does ask if the app uses your contact data. Example: Nuance's Dragon Dictation which improves my personal voice recognition spelling by reading the contact list. I ended up creating a contact record for my dog just so the speech recognition engine's accuracy improved.
I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
Oh, I think I see the reason for all of your anger towards Apple. You blame them because your apps aren't doing well. Apple isn't going to hold your little hand and lead you to the promise land.
I'm only passing on what Bud Tribble said during Franken's hearing. If it's wrong, Apple can clear things up by publishing their policies for protecting contact data.
Until that happens, I'll take the word of an Apple VP testifying before Congress over some guy on the internet any day of the week.
I'd expect Apple to notify everyone who's purchased the app in question that their data may have been breached. They can certainly notify users when an app they purchased has an update for them. They can notify users about privacy issues.
Common sense, really.
I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Ahhhhh, now I get it! You are one of the newly disenfranchised Fart app writers that are getting booted out of the App Store! No wonder you are so bitter, cynical and hateful. I'll bet you answered one of those ads "YOU TOO CAN MAKE MILLIONS WRITING FART APPS FOR THE APPLE APP STORE! TAKES MERE MINUTES A DAY! MAKES MILLIONS ENTERTAINING PEOPLE AND NEVER LEAVE YOUR BASEMENT! CALL NOW FOR FREE BROCHURE AND DEV KIT."
Apologies I didn't realize that you were one of <those> developers. However - I hear that Android is always looking some more apps, and they are seriously lacking fart apps! Just sayin'...
Every company provides the option to opt out of sharing the user data or behaviour targeting. Google or Apple are no exceptions, no company in the world can track you without your permission.
Wow are you naive. Have you forgotten about recent automatic opt ins with Facebook, Google Buzz, and Pandora just for using the service or downloading an app?
That's incorrect. iOS does ask if the app uses your contact data. Example: Nuance's Dragon Dictation which improves my personal voice recognition spelling by reading the contact list. I ended up creating a contact record for my dog just so the speech recognition engine's accuracy improved.
Again, it was testimony given to Congress by Bud Tribble that it does not. Franken asked why Apple didn't when Google did and it worked for them. Tribble had no response. Seriously. This a somewhat drawn out affair with Tribble talking about UI issues and what not.
If you're seeing an app ask permission to use a user's contact data, it's because that app maker wants to do so, not because Apple's APIs require it.
Oh, I think I see the reason for all of your anger towards Apple. You blame them because your apps aren't doing well. Apple isn't going to hold your little hand and lead you to the promise land.
Apple's half-assed handling of user data isn't going to help small developers. Because now customers are wondering if I'm stealing their data. If Apple does their job and does it right, I'll sell more apps and Apple won't be getting dragged into hearings and courthouses every other day.
And I really don't want to hear Jobs talking about the importance of not having a lineup of junk for sale when he sticks developers in a lineup with over 800 fart apps.
And it's just ridiculous that I can go to some small company's web site and they've developed a better search engine (not using Google) than the 2nd largest company in the world can pull off.
The vast majority of Apple's payments to developers go to a few big fish. Now, of course, the small developer is partly responsible. It's hard to compete against companies with a lot of resources. But it's not impossible, and we really don't need Apple making the job harder for us. And we certainly don't need the apps to be hard to find, plopped in a pile of junk, and with the customer wondering how much data I'm going to steal from them if they get my app.
All I ask from Apple is they do a half way decent job on their side of things and I'll deal with being a small developer.
Apple's half-assed handling of user data isn't going to help small developers. Because now customers are wondering if I'm stealing their data. If Apple does their job and does it right, I'll sell more apps and Apple won't be getting dragged into hearings and courthouses every other day.
And I really don't want to hear Jobs talking about the importance of not having a lineup of junk for sale when he sticks developers in a lineup with over 800 fart apps.
And it's just ridiculous that I can go to some small company's web site and they've developed a better search engine (not using Google) than the 2nd largest company in the world can pull off.
The vast majority of Apple's payments to developers go to a few big fish. Now, of course, the small developer is partly responsible. It's hard to compete against companies with a lot of resources. But it's not impossible, and we really don't need Apple making the job harder for us. And we certainly don't need the apps to be hard to find, plopped in a pile of junk, and with the customer wondering how much data I'm going to steal from them if they get my app.
All I ask from Apple is they do a half way decent job on their side of things and I'll deal with being a small developer.
And your time spent on these forums must really be paying off too. Stop whining to random people on the internet and start spending more time trying to have a dialog with Apple and making better apps. Angry Birds, Tiny Wings, Doodlejump... these didn't start out as huge names or huge development studios. Those developers made them what they are. Stop making excuses for your inability to make a living on the App Store and leave us all alone.
And your time spent on these forums must really be paying off too. Stop whining to random people on the internet and start spending more time trying to have a dialog with Apple and making better apps. Angry Birds, Tiny Wings, Doodlejump... these didn't start out as huge names or huge development studios. Those developers made them what they are. Stop making excuses for your inability to make a living on the App Store and leave us all alone.
Whether or not it pays off, time will tell. But sending letters to Apple does nothing at all. You don't even get a response.
Regardless, getting you data stolen because Apple doesn't want to be bothered protecting it and doesn't want to be bothered telling you when it happens isn't a developer issue. It affects everyone who uses these devices and services.
You love Apple and that's great. I think they're a great company too. But there's some serious issues here that need fixing.
It's not a random audit, an API scan is performed on every application, and if any address book API's show up Apple will not approve the application before the developer clarifies why the application needs address book access.
Can you provide a reference for this? This would be great news as far as I'm concerned, if it's true.
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What would you expect Apple to do, and how do you even think Apple would technically be able to 'inform users their data was stolen'.
They should at least email owners of the particular app, which would be trivial. Why on earth do you think this would be difficult?! But I think they should go a step further: First offense by a particular company or developer: stern warning. Second offense: ban from the App Store. Apple has explicit policies in place that developers are thumbing their nose at. But honestly, Apple can take care of this just like they do with location, and they probably should.
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Also, I still don't get WTF you are doing here railing against Apple, while in reality, Android has much bigger privacy issues.
I guess I'd like to see magic's answer to this as well, but for me, I'm not going to spend any time/effort complaining about Android because I'm not a user of their products. And unless or until they would ever tighten down their own technology with regards to privacy issues, I never will be. So why should I give a shit what they're doing? They are so incredibly far from being a product I would use it's not even funny. Apple, on the other hand, is very good in general, with a few issues to work on around the edges. So I'm happy when these issues are being addressed, and I hope that Google gets completely bitch-slapped as part of the process. Can you imagine what would happen to Google's business model if all tracking and profiling were required to be "opt-in"??
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Stop trolling this forum under the pretence you care about privacy, the only thing you care about is spamming this board with negative drivel about Apple's privacy policies, often with incorrect, one-sided or incomplete 'facts'.
Really? I haven't seen anything to date that he's posted that was incorrect. Perhaps it didn't align with your personal view of the world, but that's quite different.
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Why didn't you answer my direct question the last time: are you in any way affiliated with/working for/are enjoying benefits from any of the parties involved with this legal circus? Before you give an honest answer to this question, we can all safely conclude you are some kind of shill, with a mission to spew negative BS about Apple here.
What about you? Why do you continually come in here and rail against someone who is making good conversation about privacy issues? I might as well accuse you of working in the advertising/profiling industry. Or for Apple. WTF?
What is your interest in shutting down conversations about privacy issues, and why are you so adamant about it?!
Every company provides the option to opt out of sharing the user data or behaviour targeting. Google or Apple are no exceptions, no company in the world can track you without your permission. But chances are there that you may have permitted the company to track as most of us never bother to read the privacy policy in details and just click I accept.
So you don't think there are companies that track you even after you've opted out? Or companies that let you opt out of some tracking, but track you in other ways regardless of your preferences? do you really know all the ways Google is collecting your information, and all the ways they shovel it out to advertisers?
Please let me know which apps are yours. This way, I can make sure to never in my right mind purchase them if I am unfortunate enough to stumble across them.
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Oh, I think I see the reason for all of your anger towards Apple. You blame them because your apps aren't doing well. Apple isn't going to hold your little hand and lead you to the promise land.
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Ahhhhh, now I get it! You are one of the newly disenfranchised Fart app writers that are getting booted out of the App Store! No wonder you are so bitter, cynical and hateful. I'll bet you answered one of those ads "YOU TOO CAN MAKE MILLIONS WRITING FART APPS FOR THE APPLE APP STORE! TAKES MERE MINUTES A DAY! MAKES MILLIONS ENTERTAINING PEOPLE AND NEVER LEAVE YOUR BASEMENT! CALL NOW FOR FREE BROCHURE AND DEV KIT."
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Stop making excuses for your inability to make a living on the App Store and leave us all alone.
You guys all get up on the wrong side of the bed again? What a bunch of assholes.
A developer wants to clean up some minor privacy concerns on his platform of choice and the maggots come crawling out of the woodwork.
And what exactly is Google's policy for data theft? What is any company's policy for data theft? Those companies that have had data stolen still have no stated policy for data theft. Troll on as you will, but at least find a new topic occasionally.
So you don't think there are companies that track you even after you've opted out? Or companies that let you opt out of some tracking, but track you in other ways regardless of your preferences? do you really know all the ways Google is collecting your information, and all the ways they shovel it out to advertisers?
Absolutely right, elroth. At least a handful of people here are paying attention.
Opt-out cookies are complete bullshit. You are still totally being profiled, and depending on your usage models, more accurately than if you just turned cookies off. The only thing it means is that the advertisers won't give you ads that are specifically tailored to you. Kind of the worst of all worlds.
I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Apple currently has fewer than 200 fart apps, and has made it clear that they're not accepting any more. You've repeated this lie before. Maybe shouldn't do that before calling other people "asshats."
... 1. Then you're an idiot, sir, because no one should have any real expectation of privacy on a mobile device. ...
I don't think the person you are referring to is the idiot. Most people in fact do, and everyone ought to be able to, have an expectation of privacy on a mobile device, in their email, and in using the internet and telecommunications services generally. Just as they do and ought to have an expectation of privacy when using a land-line, or sending communications via the USPS. These latter are examples of area where traditionally and rightly people have an expectation of privacy. People ought to be able to have the same expectations of privacy using modern methods of communication. We ought not be expected to give up our privacy, and thus our liberty, just because technology advances. The right to privacy, from both the invasiveness of governments and corporations, is fundamental to liberty: without privacy, there is no liberty.
You guys all get up on the wrong side of the bed again? What a bunch of assholes.
A developer wants to clean up some minor privacy concerns on his platform of choice and the maggots come crawling out of the woodwork.
I have no issue with Apple cleaning up anything that is not perfect. That will always be an eternal struggle. I have a problem with a developer coming on here and calling his potential customers names, questioning their intelligence, and getting upset when they don't agree with his views 100%.
I have no issue with Apple cleaning up anything that is not perfect. That will always be an eternal struggle. I have a problem with a developer coming on here and calling his potential customers names, questioning their intelligence, and getting upset when they don't agree with his views 100%.
You must be reading posts from a different magicj then, because as far as I can tell, they exhibit none of those characteristics. I haven't gone and following him/her around the forum but in relation to this thread, your comment makes no sense.
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It's not a random audit, an API scan is performed on every application, and if any address book API's show up Apple will not approve the application before the developer clarifies why the application needs address book access.
I'm only passing on what Bud Tribble said during Franken's hearing. If it's wrong, Apple can clear things up by publishing their policies for protecting contact data.
Until that happens, I'll take the word of an Apple VP testifying before Congress over some guy on the internet any day of the week.
What would you expect Apple to do, and how do you even think Apple would technically be able to 'inform users their data was stolen'
I'd expect Apple to notify everyone who's purchased the app in question that their data may have been breached. They can certainly notify users when an app they purchased has an update for them. They can notify users about privacy issues.
Common sense, really.
are you in any way affiliated with/working for/are enjoying benefits from any of the parties involved with this legal circus?
I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Until that happens, I'll take the word of an Apple VP testifying before Congress over some guy on the internet any day of the week.
As will I, just like when any executive has continually stated that iOS does not, has not, and will not track you. An onboard file that requires root access is stored locally on your phone and never shared with anybody? The horror!
I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Please let me know which apps are yours. This way, I can make sure to never in my right mind purchase them if I am unfortunate enough to stumble across them. Any developer that reacts this way and name-calls a potential customer is just foolish, and deserves no money from us.
edit: the second quote didn't work originally.
No, it doesn't. So any app can steal your contact data without you ever knowing. This is against Apple policy, but there are no technical safeguards in place to enforce that policy. Instead Apple relies on random audits or an App being reported by users.
As far as I know the penalty for getting caught stealing a user's contact data is Apple requires the App to stop doing it within 24 hours. No other action is taken. Importantly, the user is never informed their data was stolen.
This is what I can gather from Apple's statements to Congress on the matter. But there is no published policy that I know of where Apple details exactly how it handles data theft.
That's incorrect. iOS does ask if the app uses your contact data. Example: Nuance's Dragon Dictation which improves my personal voice recognition spelling by reading the contact list. I ended up creating a contact record for my dog just so the speech recognition engine's accuracy improved.
I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
Oh, I think I see the reason for all of your anger towards Apple. You blame them because your apps aren't doing well.
I'm only passing on what Bud Tribble said during Franken's hearing. If it's wrong, Apple can clear things up by publishing their policies for protecting contact data.
Until that happens, I'll take the word of an Apple VP testifying before Congress over some guy on the internet any day of the week.
I'd expect Apple to notify everyone who's purchased the app in question that their data may have been breached. They can certainly notify users when an app they purchased has an update for them. They can notify users about privacy issues.
Common sense, really.
I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Ahhhhh, now I get it! You are one of the newly disenfranchised Fart app writers that are getting booted out of the App Store! No wonder you are so bitter, cynical and hateful. I'll bet you answered one of those ads "YOU TOO CAN MAKE MILLIONS WRITING FART APPS FOR THE APPLE APP STORE! TAKES MERE MINUTES A DAY! MAKES MILLIONS ENTERTAINING PEOPLE AND NEVER LEAVE YOUR BASEMENT! CALL NOW FOR FREE BROCHURE AND DEV KIT."
Apologies I didn't realize that you were one of <those> developers. However - I hear that Android is always looking some more apps, and they are seriously lacking fart apps! Just sayin'...
Every company provides the option to opt out of sharing the user data or behaviour targeting. Google or Apple are no exceptions, no company in the world can track you without your permission.
Wow are you naive. Have you forgotten about recent automatic opt ins with Facebook, Google Buzz, and Pandora just for using the service or downloading an app?
That's incorrect. iOS does ask if the app uses your contact data. Example: Nuance's Dragon Dictation which improves my personal voice recognition spelling by reading the contact list. I ended up creating a contact record for my dog just so the speech recognition engine's accuracy improved.
Again, it was testimony given to Congress by Bud Tribble that it does not. Franken asked why Apple didn't when Google did and it worked for them. Tribble had no response. Seriously. This a somewhat drawn out affair with Tribble talking about UI issues and what not.
If you're seeing an app ask permission to use a user's contact data, it's because that app maker wants to do so, not because Apple's APIs require it.
Oh, I think I see the reason for all of your anger towards Apple. You blame them because your apps aren't doing well.
Apple's half-assed handling of user data isn't going to help small developers. Because now customers are wondering if I'm stealing their data. If Apple does their job and does it right, I'll sell more apps and Apple won't be getting dragged into hearings and courthouses every other day.
And I really don't want to hear Jobs talking about the importance of not having a lineup of junk for sale when he sticks developers in a lineup with over 800 fart apps.
And it's just ridiculous that I can go to some small company's web site and they've developed a better search engine (not using Google) than the 2nd largest company in the world can pull off.
The vast majority of Apple's payments to developers go to a few big fish. Now, of course, the small developer is partly responsible. It's hard to compete against companies with a lot of resources. But it's not impossible, and we really don't need Apple making the job harder for us. And we certainly don't need the apps to be hard to find, plopped in a pile of junk, and with the customer wondering how much data I'm going to steal from them if they get my app.
All I ask from Apple is they do a half way decent job on their side of things and I'll deal with being a small developer.
Apple's half-assed handling of user data isn't going to help small developers. Because now customers are wondering if I'm stealing their data. If Apple does their job and does it right, I'll sell more apps and Apple won't be getting dragged into hearings and courthouses every other day.
And I really don't want to hear Jobs talking about the importance of not having a lineup of junk for sale when he sticks developers in a lineup with over 800 fart apps.
And it's just ridiculous that I can go to some small company's web site and they've developed a better search engine (not using Google) than the 2nd largest company in the world can pull off.
The vast majority of Apple's payments to developers go to a few big fish. Now, of course, the small developer is partly responsible. It's hard to compete against companies with a lot of resources. But it's not impossible, and we really don't need Apple making the job harder for us. And we certainly don't need the apps to be hard to find, plopped in a pile of junk, and with the customer wondering how much data I'm going to steal from them if they get my app.
All I ask from Apple is they do a half way decent job on their side of things and I'll deal with being a small developer.
And your time spent on these forums must really be paying off too. Stop whining to random people on the internet and start spending more time trying to have a dialog with Apple and making better apps. Angry Birds, Tiny Wings, Doodlejump... these didn't start out as huge names or huge development studios. Those developers made them what they are. Stop making excuses for your inability to make a living on the App Store and leave us all alone.
And your time spent on these forums must really be paying off too. Stop whining to random people on the internet and start spending more time trying to have a dialog with Apple and making better apps. Angry Birds, Tiny Wings, Doodlejump... these didn't start out as huge names or huge development studios. Those developers made them what they are. Stop making excuses for your inability to make a living on the App Store and leave us all alone.
Whether or not it pays off, time will tell. But sending letters to Apple does nothing at all. You don't even get a response.
Regardless, getting you data stolen because Apple doesn't want to be bothered protecting it and doesn't want to be bothered telling you when it happens isn't a developer issue. It affects everyone who uses these devices and services.
You love Apple and that's great. I think they're a great company too. But there's some serious issues here that need fixing.
It's not a random audit, an API scan is performed on every application, and if any address book API's show up Apple will not approve the application before the developer clarifies why the application needs address book access.
Can you provide a reference for this? This would be great news as far as I'm concerned, if it's true.
What would you expect Apple to do, and how do you even think Apple would technically be able to 'inform users their data was stolen'.
They should at least email owners of the particular app, which would be trivial. Why on earth do you think this would be difficult?! But I think they should go a step further: First offense by a particular company or developer: stern warning. Second offense: ban from the App Store. Apple has explicit policies in place that developers are thumbing their nose at. But honestly, Apple can take care of this just like they do with location, and they probably should.
Also, I still don't get WTF you are doing here railing against Apple, while in reality, Android has much bigger privacy issues.
I guess I'd like to see magic's answer to this as well, but for me, I'm not going to spend any time/effort complaining about Android because I'm not a user of their products. And unless or until they would ever tighten down their own technology with regards to privacy issues, I never will be. So why should I give a shit what they're doing? They are so incredibly far from being a product I would use it's not even funny. Apple, on the other hand, is very good in general, with a few issues to work on around the edges. So I'm happy when these issues are being addressed, and I hope that Google gets completely bitch-slapped as part of the process. Can you imagine what would happen to Google's business model if all tracking and profiling were required to be "opt-in"??
Stop trolling this forum under the pretence you care about privacy, the only thing you care about is spamming this board with negative drivel about Apple's privacy policies, often with incorrect, one-sided or incomplete 'facts'.
Really? I haven't seen anything to date that he's posted that was incorrect. Perhaps it didn't align with your personal view of the world, but that's quite different.
Why didn't you answer my direct question the last time: are you in any way affiliated with/working for/are enjoying benefits from any of the parties involved with this legal circus? Before you give an honest answer to this question, we can all safely conclude you are some kind of shill, with a mission to spew negative BS about Apple here.
What about you? Why do you continually come in here and rail against someone who is making good conversation about privacy issues? I might as well accuse you of working in the advertising/profiling industry. Or for Apple. WTF?
What is your interest in shutting down conversations about privacy issues, and why are you so adamant about it?!
Every company provides the option to opt out of sharing the user data or behaviour targeting. Google or Apple are no exceptions, no company in the world can track you without your permission. But chances are there that you may have permitted the company to track as most of us never bother to read the privacy policy in details and just click I accept.
So you don't think there are companies that track you even after you've opted out? Or companies that let you opt out of some tracking, but track you in other ways regardless of your preferences? do you really know all the ways Google is collecting your information, and all the ways they shovel it out to advertisers?
Please let me know which apps are yours. This way, I can make sure to never in my right mind purchase them if I am unfortunate enough to stumble across them.
Oh, I think I see the reason for all of your anger towards Apple. You blame them because your apps aren't doing well.
Ahhhhh, now I get it! You are one of the newly disenfranchised Fart app writers that are getting booted out of the App Store! No wonder you are so bitter, cynical and hateful. I'll bet you answered one of those ads "YOU TOO CAN MAKE MILLIONS WRITING FART APPS FOR THE APPLE APP STORE! TAKES MERE MINUTES A DAY! MAKES MILLIONS ENTERTAINING PEOPLE AND NEVER LEAVE YOUR BASEMENT! CALL NOW FOR FREE BROCHURE AND DEV KIT."
Stop making excuses for your inability to make a living on the App Store and leave us all alone.
You guys all get up on the wrong side of the bed again? What a bunch of assholes.
A developer wants to clean up some minor privacy concerns on his platform of choice and the maggots come crawling out of the woodwork.
Thank you, AI, for posting this article. Now if we can only get Apple to post it's policy regarding data theft...
The entire hearing is available here: http://www.c-span.org/Events/Congres...y/10737421634/
And what exactly is Google's policy for data theft? What is any company's policy for data theft? Those companies that have had data stolen still have no stated policy for data theft. Troll on as you will, but at least find a new topic occasionally.
So you don't think there are companies that track you even after you've opted out? Or companies that let you opt out of some tracking, but track you in other ways regardless of your preferences? do you really know all the ways Google is collecting your information, and all the ways they shovel it out to advertisers?
Absolutely right, elroth. At least a handful of people here are paying attention.
Opt-out cookies are complete bullshit. You are still totally being profiled, and depending on your usage models, more accurately than if you just turned cookies off. The only thing it means is that the advertisers won't give you ads that are specifically tailored to you. Kind of the worst of all worlds.
I've answered that one several times. I'm a small Apple developer of iPhone/iPad apps. And when I complain about Apple's flaws in handling privacy, their 800+ fart apps, and their 3rd rate search features in all their stores, it's because it affects my business.
So who the <bleep> are you to keep trying to have these problems ignored so that I have to continuely face them? Asshat.
Apple currently has fewer than 200 fart apps, and has made it clear that they're not accepting any more. You've repeated this lie before. Maybe shouldn't do that before calling other people "asshats."
... 1. Then you're an idiot, sir, because no one should have any real expectation of privacy on a mobile device. ...
I don't think the person you are referring to is the idiot. Most people in fact do, and everyone ought to be able to, have an expectation of privacy on a mobile device, in their email, and in using the internet and telecommunications services generally. Just as they do and ought to have an expectation of privacy when using a land-line, or sending communications via the USPS. These latter are examples of area where traditionally and rightly people have an expectation of privacy. People ought to be able to have the same expectations of privacy using modern methods of communication. We ought not be expected to give up our privacy, and thus our liberty, just because technology advances. The right to privacy, from both the invasiveness of governments and corporations, is fundamental to liberty: without privacy, there is no liberty.
You guys all get up on the wrong side of the bed again? What a bunch of assholes.
A developer wants to clean up some minor privacy concerns on his platform of choice and the maggots come crawling out of the woodwork.
I have no issue with Apple cleaning up anything that is not perfect. That will always be an eternal struggle. I have a problem with a developer coming on here and calling his potential customers names, questioning their intelligence, and getting upset when they don't agree with his views 100%.
I have no issue with Apple cleaning up anything that is not perfect. That will always be an eternal struggle. I have a problem with a developer coming on here and calling his potential customers names, questioning their intelligence, and getting upset when they don't agree with his views 100%.
You must be reading posts from a different magicj then, because as far as I can tell, they exhibit none of those characteristics. I haven't gone and following him/her around the forum but in relation to this thread, your comment makes no sense.