I have no issue with Apple cleaning up anything that is not perfect. That will always be an eternal struggle. I have a problem with a developer coming on here and calling his potential customers names, questioning their intelligence, and getting upset when they don't agree with his views 100%.
I've read pretty much all the posts on all the threads related to any privacy issues, and that's not what I've seen.
Quite the contrary, in fact. I've seen a guy (presumably a guy) who has been thoughtful and measured in his posts. I don't think we need to agree with all the details of his posts to agree that he has generally been polite. On the other hand, others seem to enjoy insulting him without really addressing the issues in a meaningful way, other than "well I don't care about it, so why should anyone else care?"
And the one bad word I saw here was in response to d-range, who called him a "shill", and accused him of "enjoying benefits from any of the parties involved with this legal circus".
Magic explained his interest, but I don't recall seeing d-range explain why we should believe he's not a shill for the advertising industry or somehow enjoying benefits from the other side.
It doesn't take a lot to see this, my post above was just a handful of insults taken from just this one thread.
Quite the contrary, in fact. I've seen a guy (presumably a guy) who has been thoughtful and measured in his posts. I don't think we need to agree with all the details of his posts to agree that he has generally been polite. On the other hand, others seem to enjoy insulting him without really addressing the issues in a meaningful way, other than "well I don't care about it, so why should anyone else care?"
This 1-2 tag team of you and magicj is getting comical. I'm not going to continue hypothesizing why you are both so eager to keep coming back in these discussions to back each other up, but to me, there is something stinking here.
Just let me leave it here with the remark that you can keep pretending you and magicj are actually debating privacy issues here all you want, and the people who reply to you don't care about it, but it still doesn't make sense. I've said multiple times that Apple messed up the location cache thing and should have done a better job there, because they have introduced a (very minor, very hypothetical) privacy issue, which already has been fixed. That's all there is to it. Repeating made-up stuff enough times so no-one visiting this site can get around it, doesn't make it true. You asked why I was so adamant about trying to sort out the nonsense magicj writes (which you are continually trying to back up), well that's the reason: because he is posted one-sided, convoluted drivel, selectively picking and choosing random quotes from the 'Congress Hearings' he seems inexplicably interested in (as if those are going to have any effect on his privacy), and repeating those ad nauseam.
I do care about genuine privacy issues by the way, which is why this whole discussion about nothing here kind of aggrevates me, it only detracts from the millions of ways governments try to invade your privacy 'to fight the terrorists' or to 'find the pedophiles' and that kind of BS. If you or magicj really, sincerely care about privacy, you should be ashamed of yourselves, making such a big deal about this stupid location cache thing, the whole legal circus around it, or the illusion that anything stored or sent to/from on a cell phone can and should be air-tight, and that the government is there to make it happen and help you guard your privacy. Childiss naivete.
Apple does not track users' locations -- Apple has never done so and has no plans to ever do so," Novelli said.
Now that they've built all the Apple Stores in the places people frequent the most, they don't need the data any more.
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"I think anyone who uses a mobile device has an expectation of privacy, and sadly that expectation is not always being met," Sen. John Rockefeller IV said during the hearing. Rockefeller also expressed his dissatisfaction with "totally unregulated" state of the app market. The possibility of a "do not track" list was also raised during the discussion.
This could become a really big problem for app stores that aren't quarantined. No other device that people own can offer such a breach of privacy on such a large scale. Harvesting contacts is more important and should be fully protected at all times. I'm not sure how much abuse if any could be caused with location tracking. Possibly the movements of celebrities if they tie the data to the contact names but protecting the contacts would be the first step.
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I have no issue with Apple cleaning up anything that is not perfect. That will always be an eternal struggle. I have a problem with a developer coming on here and calling his potential customers names, questioning their intelligence, and getting upset when they don't agree with his views 100%.
I've read pretty much all the posts on all the threads related to any privacy issues, and that's not what I've seen.
Quite the contrary, in fact. I've seen a guy (presumably a guy) who has been thoughtful and measured in his posts. I don't think we need to agree with all the details of his posts to agree that he has generally been polite. On the other hand, others seem to enjoy insulting him without really addressing the issues in a meaningful way, other than "well I don't care about it, so why should anyone else care?"
And the one bad word I saw here was in response to d-range, who called him a "shill", and accused him of "enjoying benefits from any of the parties involved with this legal circus".
Magic explained his interest, but I don't recall seeing d-range explain why we should believe he's not a shill for the advertising industry or somehow enjoying benefits from the other side.
It doesn't take a lot to see this, my post above was just a handful of insults taken from just this one thread.
Quite the contrary, in fact. I've seen a guy (presumably a guy) who has been thoughtful and measured in his posts. I don't think we need to agree with all the details of his posts to agree that he has generally been polite. On the other hand, others seem to enjoy insulting him without really addressing the issues in a meaningful way, other than "well I don't care about it, so why should anyone else care?"
This 1-2 tag team of you and magicj is getting comical. I'm not going to continue hypothesizing why you are both so eager to keep coming back in these discussions to back each other up, but to me, there is something stinking here.
Just let me leave it here with the remark that you can keep pretending you and magicj are actually debating privacy issues here all you want, and the people who reply to you don't care about it, but it still doesn't make sense. I've said multiple times that Apple messed up the location cache thing and should have done a better job there, because they have introduced a (very minor, very hypothetical) privacy issue, which already has been fixed. That's all there is to it. Repeating made-up stuff enough times so no-one visiting this site can get around it, doesn't make it true. You asked why I was so adamant about trying to sort out the nonsense magicj writes (which you are continually trying to back up), well that's the reason: because he is posted one-sided, convoluted drivel, selectively picking and choosing random quotes from the 'Congress Hearings' he seems inexplicably interested in (as if those are going to have any effect on his privacy), and repeating those ad nauseam.
I do care about genuine privacy issues by the way, which is why this whole discussion about nothing here kind of aggrevates me, it only detracts from the millions of ways governments try to invade your privacy 'to fight the terrorists' or to 'find the pedophiles' and that kind of BS. If you or magicj really, sincerely care about privacy, you should be ashamed of yourselves, making such a big deal about this stupid location cache thing, the whole legal circus around it, or the illusion that anything stored or sent to/from on a cell phone can and should be air-tight, and that the government is there to make it happen and help you guard your privacy. Childiss naivete.
Apple does not track users' locations -- Apple has never done so and has no plans to ever do so," Novelli said.
Now that they've built all the Apple Stores in the places people frequent the most, they don't need the data any more.
"I think anyone who uses a mobile device has an expectation of privacy, and sadly that expectation is not always being met," Sen. John Rockefeller IV said during the hearing. Rockefeller also expressed his dissatisfaction with "totally unregulated" state of the app market. The possibility of a "do not track" list was also raised during the discussion.
This could become a really big problem for app stores that aren't quarantined. No other device that people own can offer such a breach of privacy on such a large scale. Harvesting contacts is more important and should be fully protected at all times. I'm not sure how much abuse if any could be caused with location tracking. Possibly the movements of celebrities if they tie the data to the contact names but protecting the contacts would be the first step.