....because even on cloudy days, the suns rays are still penetrating. If you look at the graph you'll notice that this new tech absorbs light frequencies BEYOND what we can see with our eyes.
I think the coolest thing about the above link is that you can multiple cars with just one chassis. An upgrader's dream. The chassis is 11" tall and the rest of the car sits on it. It takes about 15 minutes to stitch out another top. A utilititarian lightweight vehicle for communing to work, and for the weekend a nice topless roadster. Or an SUV top for weekend getaways with the family.
why would we want that? hydrogen is perfect. when i reacts with O2, all we get is water as exhaust. if we start with nitrogen and then react with O2, the results won't be quite as pleasant...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes... but what happens when you crash your car and all that hydrogen ignites???
Probably the same thing that happens when you crash a car filled with flamable gasoline and the tank ruptures. Lesson: Make tougher tanks! </strong><hr></blockquote>
maybe we should go back to making hydrogen filled blimps.
<strong>I believe there was talk of using solar power to extract the hydrogen from methane, ethanol, etc. Anyone else heard of this?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Seems like the way to go. I'd be in favor of a forced shift to hydrogen over a period of years. Like I said earlier in the thread, start with the cities where the infrastructure is closer and easier to handle (you could add on hydrogen pump to every 10 stations and still have incredible coverage.) Maybe every second or third car in a household would have to be clean energy cars.
Feels like a real car. Only problem is getting a production/distribution system.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I love BMW but this is over engineered crap. The same amount of fuel used in one of these engines can power a fuel cell based electric motor 2 times over. And most of these experimental engines are a Hydrogen/petrol combo, not pure hydrogen so pollution is less but not eliminated. But the 100% hydrogen IC engines are even more perplexing. Maybe too many mechanics were pissed that the simplicity of fuelcell stacks and brushless electric motors would put them out of business and they caused a ruckus with the manufacturers Seriously, 90% of the battle is the infrastructure changes needed to get hydrogen to our car tanks. Why are they even bothering with this?
Seriously, 90% of the battle is the infrastructure changes needed to get hydrogen to our car tanks. </strong><hr></blockquote>
this is exactly right. if not for this, and add in the problems the natural feul companies are gonna cause, this technology would be found much sooner than we probably will actually see it...
An ONSI installation in Groton, Conn., is consuming methane from a landfill, thereby both generating power and siphoning off an explosive waste gas; the U.S. Department of Energy is supporting a similar project.
God knows we produce tons of waste. Lets put it to use.
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I read in another article that even on sunny days is has effiecny almost near what modern panels have on sunny days.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
....because even on cloudy days, the suns rays are still penetrating. If you look at the graph you'll notice that this new tech absorbs light frequencies BEYOND what we can see with our eyes.
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My favorite quote: 'THE STONE AGE DIDN?T end because we ran out of stones."
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....because even on cloudy days....</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry, I was being a smart ass. You said "sunny" instead of "cloudy".
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why would we want that? hydrogen is perfect. when i reacts with O2, all we get is water as exhaust. if we start with nitrogen and then react with O2, the results won't be quite as pleasant...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes... but what happens when you crash your car and all that hydrogen ignites???
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Sorry, I was being a smart ass. You said "sunny" instead of "cloudy".
OOPS! My bad!
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Yes... but what happens when you crash your car and all that hydrogen ignites???</strong><hr></blockquote>
Probably the same thing that happens when you crash a car filled with flamable gasoline and the tank ruptures. Lesson: Make tougher tanks!
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Probably the same thing that happens when you crash a car filled with flamable gasoline and the tank ruptures. Lesson: Make tougher tanks!
maybe we should go back to making hydrogen filled blimps.
<strong>I believe there was talk of using solar power to extract the hydrogen from methane, ethanol, etc. Anyone else heard of this?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Shit why not just use it on water?
Oh that would take at lot of solar power
edit: oh yeah, and i fixed the link Scott..
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Hydrogen Internal Combustion.
<a href="http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/pulse/enterprise/cleanenergy3/"; target="_blank">http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/pulse/enterprise/cleanenergy3/</a>;
Feels like a real car. Only problem is getting a production/distribution system.
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Hydrogen Internal Combustion.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Seems like the way to go. I'd be in favor of a forced shift to hydrogen over a period of years. Like I said earlier in the thread, start with the cities where the infrastructure is closer and easier to handle (you could add on hydrogen pump to every 10 stations and still have incredible coverage.) Maybe every second or third car in a household would have to be clean energy cars.
That would shake things up.
<strong>Screw Fuel Cells.
Hydrogen Internal Combustion.
<a href="http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/pulse/enterprise/cleanenergy3/"; target="_blank">http://www.bmw.com/bmwe/pulse/enterprise/cleanenergy3/</a>;
Feels like a real car. Only problem is getting a production/distribution system.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I love BMW but this is over engineered crap. The same amount of fuel used in one of these engines can power a fuel cell based electric motor 2 times over. And most of these experimental engines are a Hydrogen/petrol combo, not pure hydrogen so pollution is less but not eliminated. But the 100% hydrogen IC engines are even more perplexing. Maybe too many mechanics were pissed that the simplicity of fuelcell stacks and brushless electric motors would put them out of business and they caused a ruckus with the manufacturers
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Seriously, 90% of the battle is the infrastructure changes needed to get hydrogen to our car tanks. </strong><hr></blockquote>
this is exactly right. if not for this, and add in the problems the natural feul companies are gonna cause, this technology would be found much sooner than we probably will actually see it...
best quote:
An ONSI installation in Groton, Conn., is consuming methane from a landfill, thereby both generating power and siphoning off an explosive waste gas; the U.S. Department of Energy is supporting a similar project.
God knows we produce tons of waste. Lets put it to use.