I am not sure Apple is terrified of discrimination. By implication you are suggesting that were they not terrified they would discriminate by choice. But anyway, you aren't terrified, are you? You sound like a real cool stand-up guy.
Why would I be terrified? I don't dress like I just got released from Riker's Island. I have nothing to worry about when walking into an Apple store. And yes, I am a real cool stand-up guy. I tell it like it is and I am fortunate enough to have a pretty good BS detector built in to me.
The ball is in Apple's court. Its for them to disprove of these allegations.
How do you figure? It's up to the ones making the allegations to make their case. Otherwise, isn't that kinda' like saying Apple is guilty until they can prove their innocence? Supposed to be the other way around, don't you think?
I have no idea what transpired at this particular Apple Store on that particular day (although it's worth noting that it was a particular Apple Store and a particular staff, so Apple's general policies aren't really much help sorting things out).
Given that, many of the responses and speculations in this thread (of which I have the entirety in front of me and which requires no speculation or assumptions) are appalling.
I've learned that any black man wearing a hoodie and baggy jeans is perforce a "thug" and has therefore surrendered his rights to go about his business unchallenged. Oddly, making the combination of race and clothing an actionable offense is stridently defended as having nothing to do with race. I guess if we just all agree that young urban black men are criminals until proven innocent (or until they upgrade their wardrobe) then there's nothing "racist" about it because it's just, you know, true and anyone that disagrees is "playing the race card."
I've learned that the real problem is that white people are occasionally importuned or embarrassed by black people accusing them of racism. I've learned that we live in a post racial society where any lingering prejudice against blacks is almost nothing compared to the horror white people being accused of racism, and this in a thread where there seems to be an almost unanimous opinion that young black men in hoodies and baggy pants entering the high temple of an Apple Store are very obviously shoplifters, thugs, criminals, gang members and con men, and if they go to the trouble of acquiring an attorney and bringing suit it's very obviously just a scam. It's the only possible explanation, you see, because white people are very clear on the fact that a certain style of dress is practically a prison tat.
Oh, and just as a side show, it turns out this is all somehow related to Obama's Justice Department, which is presumably coddling black criminals, on account of race loyalty.
But it's not racist to say so! It's just a fact! Like I say, I have no idea what happened at the store. For all I know these guys were actually serial shop lifters well know by the staff. But for all any of you know, they were graduate students at NYU looking to buy headphones. There isn't anything in the article that provides for any conclusion, yet the thread lurches into a braying chorus of condemnation of the litigants based on literally nothing more than than race and their clothing.
Oh, and the occasional belittling of anyone defending those litigants, because that would be jumping to conclusions.
Like I say, depressing.
Best post so far. I visit Apple Insider 7 days a week, several times a day and I've come to know dozens of regular posters by name and by their predictable attitude regarding various tech issues. The regulars posting on this issue have revealed a side of themselves that's usually not at all visible. This confirms something that I always assume. There is heterogeneity that underlies every group of people no matter what common links (Apple fans for example) they may may share. I'm disappointed a bit by the comments of people whose opinions I respect on tech matters, but not very surprised.
I don't know exactly how those two people looked or dressed, but if they dressed anything like the pants on these two geniuses in the picture, then I would have immediately given them the boot from the Apple store, even if they had been wearing shirts, unlike the two in the picture.
No, I don't agree with you. This is truly disgusting! It appalls me that in this age and time, there's still racial discrimination. And no, there's no dress code at any Apple Store, unlike IBM. You can dress in any comfortable way you want. And you can speak with any accent. Prejudice is not an excuse for discrimination.
Steve Jobs will never approve of this. He's a Buddhist, and a vegetarian. He's the most humble person you will ever come across. He would never consider himself a God.
All involved employees of the Store should be fired.
Now, I wonder which one of you on AppleInsider is a racist?
There may no be a "dress code", but if these guys were dressed like thugs and have a reputation as troublesome people, then I see absolutely no problem with them being asked to leave.
You are basing your opinion on a news story that doesn't provide all the information as to what really happens. Sounds like you are doing a bit of trolling...
I don't know exactly how those two people looked or dressed, but if they dressed anything like the pants on these two geniuses in the picture, then I would have immediately given them the boot from the Apple store, even if they had been wearing shirts, unlike the two in the picture.
Why would I be terrified? I don't dress like I just got released from Riker's Island. I have nothing to worry about when walking into an Apple store. And yes, I am a real cool stand-up guy. I tell it like it is and I am fortunate enough to have a pretty good BS detector built in to me.
I think you are full of it. Your detector must be up the blink or it'd be going full time.
A lot of people are assuming an awful lot. Period. Nobody knows anything. Maybe the Apple employee over reacted to a perceived threat. But then again, maybe not. Maybe his inner racist came out, but then again, maybe not. Maybe the two guys were looking for trouble, but then again, maybe not. Nobody here knows and to voice an opinion as to who is guilty is sure to do nothing more than reveal prejudices.
Is there a 'how to treat a gangsta' rule book?
That's bull. If you dress like a criminal do I have the right to handcuff you and lock you up? We live in a world of diverse fashions and everybody knows that. How should we treat someone who dresses like a pirate (ish), or god forbid, a 'prostitute'? Criminals don't 'dress like criminals', they usually dress like bankers. At least the really bad ones do. If you see someone wearing stripes, on the other hand, its much more serious I got to admit.
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You are being very unfair and biased here yourself. You pick my comments out for chastisement, when even a casual perusal of the thread makes it obvious that my remarks are some of the most temperate.
Your also missing the fact that I almost completely agree with you and you with me. Your first paragraph for instance is almost a 1 to 1 paraphrasing of my first comment on the thread.
Maybe you are just making a bad joke but you are putting words in my mouth with your over the top interpretation of the clothing issue and I don't appreciate it.
What I said was that people judge each other and outward appearances like clothing and the way in which a person carries themselves is a big part of that. These are just obvious facts, I'm not trying to make some arcane weird argument here. I was in fact making a distinction between merely wearing baggy clothes and "looking/acting Gangsta"and there is a big difference, and it's pretty obvious to any impartial observer who hasn't been hiding under a rock for the last 20 years.
What I said was that *IF* in fact, these guys were dressed/acting "Gangsta" then they must expect to be treated as if they were in fact dangerous criminals, which is basically the whole point of dressing/acting that way.
To argue against this by posting a humorous picture of a guy in stripes misses the entire point at best. The fact that not all criminals dress/act like criminals, doesn't in any way alter the fact that dressing/acting like a criminal may sometimes get you treated like one. That doesn't even make sense.
Only criminals were baggy clothing? If you don?t believe that then you can?t draw such a conclusion.
It wasn?t that long ago that we drew conclusions on intelligence based on the number of mustard seeds a cranium could hold. Can you not see the mismeasure of such a conclusion?
Can you not see and understand exactly what was being said? Clearly he is referring to the folks who wear baggy tops, hoodies to cover their heads, and baggy pants hanging below their asses. I have dealt with folks like this and I am always on "red alert" because this image reminds me of an urban street thug.
A dress code? An over the top comment. If you want to imitate the fashion of criminals, then don't be surprised at the reception you get at a bank or a retail store. Baggy clothes help conceal firearms and stolen goods which is why prisoners and thugs wear them.
And you're making an assumption that I'm white.
Actually, people of all walks of life are wearing baggy clothing. Church goers, graduate level students, small business owners, etc You are just as likely to meet ex-cons, thugs, and drug dealers dressed in traditional suit and tie.
By the way, should I assume you have practice concealing firearms and stolen goods? Since know a lot about prisoners and thugs.
I don't know exactly how those two people looked or dressed, but if they dressed anything like the pants on these two geniuses in the picture, then I would have immediately given them the boot from the Apple store, even if they had been wearing shirts, unlike the two in the picture.
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There may no be a "dress code", but if these guys were dressed like thugs and have a reputation as troublesome people, then I see absolutely no problem with them being asked to leave.
You are basing your opinion on a news story that doesn't provide all the information as to what really happens. Sounds like you are doing a bit of trolling...
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agreed!!!
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Can you not see and understand exactly what was being said? Clearly he is referring to the folks who wear baggy tops, hoodies to cover their heads, and baggy pants hanging below their asses. I have dealt with folks like this and I am always on "red alert" because this image reminds me of an urban street thug.
What fun! Based on "baggy pants and sweaters with hoods" we've gone the full thug.
This is just pure, unadulterated racism. Ya'll should be banned for it.
Apple is terrified of discrimination, they couldn't even get rid of obvious Chinese scalpers, I doubt they would deliberately eject black people because they were black.
Maybe their baggy pants were obscene. Maybe they were the kind of douches who wear their pants damn near hanging down on their knees, like a bunch of uncivilized retards. Maybe they were loud or speaking offensive language or they were doing something else which got them booted.
Not everything that happens to black people is because of racism. Maybe those two people who like to dress like thugs can call Obama and then we can have a beer summit and Obama can hold a press conference and say that Steve Jobs and Apple acted stupidly.
Black people and liberals or anybody for that matter who plays the race card are disgusting human beings, pure trash.
You seem eager to discriminate against people. You should check out the video Apple did for the "it gets better" campaign on you tube. Diversity is one of Apples hallmarks. Seeing past ones attire, hair etc. seems to have served apple well, probably by forcing people to judge others work on its merits.
For those reasons I would find it a little surprising to find these allegations true. But not impossible by any stretch. Racism isn't everywhere but it does show up still. For instance, take your post...
Are you ever going to be done with the Chinese scalpers thing?
When we lived in Las Vegas, 1964-78 a group of individual performers was known as the "Rat-Pack", Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Dean Martin, Joey Bishop and Peter Lawford.
Many of these entertainers would appear "in-town" at different hotels, concurrently. After a show, one performer would "drop-in" on another's show -- and go onstage and perform a duet -- sometimes steal the show. Often, those not "in town" would fly in just to do the "tour".
Sometimes, a lucky audience attending, say, a Dean Martin show -- would get the whole "rat-pack" on stage -- to the enjoyment of all.
Of topic?
Not too much.
What's interesting is that the rat pack performed in the "best hotels" in Las Vegas and entertained the best audiences -- often to standing Os.
But, one of them could not stay in a hotel room within the Las Vegas City Limits. Sammy Davis Jr., because he was "black" had to stay at hotels in the City of North Las Vegas.
That was less than 50 years ago...
Oddly enough, few have done as much for racial integration of Las Vegas than Dino and Frankie: they got tired of casino owners telling them Sammy couldn't stay there, so they put out the word, "Sammy's welcome, or we don't play your club". No club could afford to have the two biggest names in town boycott them, so they began to repeal their "whites only" policies.
Are you ever going to be done with the Chinese scalpers thing?
I'm done with the Chinese scalpers for now, until the iPad 3 comes out I guess.
I have my iPad 2 now, and it's great, I'm loving it. I'm not on it right now, but it is next to me and I just have time warner cable on in the background running.
I happened to be be on the West side and went to the Apple Store and it was VERY different.
It wasnt the same " inviting " place that im used too. I stood by the Macbook Air and tried to get some help and got surrounded by guys (NOT Salesmen ) saying No one is available
I dont think (or Hope ) it was about Race but about Overzealous security guys paying too much attention to the black customers while salesmen paid NONE ! I even went back again days later and guess what .. Same Sh**
I went to the 5th Avenue Apple Store & got helped immediately.
Picked up a White IPhone,
These young guys that look like thugs ... walk around with $300 Headphones, IPhones AND IPod Touches ( Too much music for 1 device ) and they love Apple products just like you guys with tight Dockers.
If you dont like them, then put up those WHITE ONLY signs tucked away in your parents closets
Why would I be terrified? I don't dress like I just got released from Riker's Island. I have nothing to worry about when walking into an Apple store. And yes, I am a real cool stand-up guy. I tell it like it is and I am fortunate enough to have a pretty good BS detector built in to me.
Speaking of Riker's Island, is that where that suit and tie wearing, crazy old, rich ex-politician, serial rapist name Dominique Strauss-Kahn was being detained? (Reality check, anyone?)
Speaking of Riker's Island, is that where that suit and tie wearing, crazy old, rich ex-politician, serial rapist name Dominique Strauss-Kahn was being detained? (Reality check, anyone?)
Yes it was. Criminals and rapists come in all stripes and colors. Suit wearing rapists does not cancel out baggy pants wearing thug wannabes.
I don't know exactly how those two people looked or dressed, but if they dressed anything like the pants on these two geniuses in the picture, then I would have immediately given them the boot from the Apple store, even if they had been wearing shirts, unlike the two in the picture.
Bad example, IMO.
While I don't find this style attractive -- I am not threatened by it. The two individuals might be refused service for no shirts if that is accepted dress. But they're not in a store -- they're outside on a sunny day.
Other than that -- the two in the picture appear to be neat and clean, they are not exposing themselves -- and it doesn't appear that it would be easy for them to shoplift anything.
I often go to stores dressed in clean sweats or shorts and T-Shirts -- and expect to get service.
The outfits pictured above are less revealing than most shorts.
Baloney. If it was two white douchebag kids who dressed the exact same way, then they too should get the boot.
Except that's not what we're talking about, is it? And it's not the picture you chose to post, is it? And people like you always claim that they'd treat white people who somehow triggered the same fear and loathing "just the same", but it never seems to happen, does it?
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I am not sure Apple is terrified of discrimination. By implication you are suggesting that were they not terrified they would discriminate by choice. But anyway, you aren't terrified, are you? You sound like a real cool stand-up guy.
Why would I be terrified? I don't dress like I just got released from Riker's Island. I have nothing to worry about when walking into an Apple store. And yes, I am a real cool stand-up guy. I tell it like it is and I am fortunate enough to have a pretty good BS detector built in to me.
The ball is in Apple's court. Its for them to disprove of these allegations.
How do you figure? It's up to the ones making the allegations to make their case. Otherwise, isn't that kinda' like saying Apple is guilty until they can prove their innocence? Supposed to be the other way around, don't you think?
God, what a depressing thread.
I have no idea what transpired at this particular Apple Store on that particular day (although it's worth noting that it was a particular Apple Store and a particular staff, so Apple's general policies aren't really much help sorting things out).
Given that, many of the responses and speculations in this thread (of which I have the entirety in front of me and which requires no speculation or assumptions) are appalling.
I've learned that any black man wearing a hoodie and baggy jeans is perforce a "thug" and has therefore surrendered his rights to go about his business unchallenged. Oddly, making the combination of race and clothing an actionable offense is stridently defended as having nothing to do with race. I guess if we just all agree that young urban black men are criminals until proven innocent (or until they upgrade their wardrobe) then there's nothing "racist" about it because it's just, you know, true and anyone that disagrees is "playing the race card."
I've learned that the real problem is that white people are occasionally importuned or embarrassed by black people accusing them of racism. I've learned that we live in a post racial society where any lingering prejudice against blacks is almost nothing compared to the horror white people being accused of racism, and this in a thread where there seems to be an almost unanimous opinion that young black men in hoodies and baggy pants entering the high temple of an Apple Store are very obviously shoplifters, thugs, criminals, gang members and con men, and if they go to the trouble of acquiring an attorney and bringing suit it's very obviously just a scam. It's the only possible explanation, you see, because white people are very clear on the fact that a certain style of dress is practically a prison tat.
Oh, and just as a side show, it turns out this is all somehow related to Obama's Justice Department, which is presumably coddling black criminals, on account of race loyalty.
But it's not racist to say so! It's just a fact! Like I say, I have no idea what happened at the store. For all I know these guys were actually serial shop lifters well know by the staff. But for all any of you know, they were graduate students at NYU looking to buy headphones. There isn't anything in the article that provides for any conclusion, yet the thread lurches into a braying chorus of condemnation of the litigants based on literally nothing more than than race and their clothing.
Oh, and the occasional belittling of anyone defending those litigants, because that would be jumping to conclusions.
Like I say, depressing.
Best post so far. I visit Apple Insider 7 days a week, several times a day and I've come to know dozens of regular posters by name and by their predictable attitude regarding various tech issues. The regulars posting on this issue have revealed a side of themselves that's usually not at all visible. This confirms something that I always assume. There is heterogeneity that underlies every group of people no matter what common links (Apple fans for example) they may may share. I'm disappointed a bit by the comments of people whose opinions I respect on tech matters, but not very surprised.
No, I don't agree with you. This is truly disgusting! It appalls me that in this age and time, there's still racial discrimination. And no, there's no dress code at any Apple Store, unlike IBM. You can dress in any comfortable way you want. And you can speak with any accent. Prejudice is not an excuse for discrimination.
Steve Jobs will never approve of this. He's a Buddhist, and a vegetarian. He's the most humble person you will ever come across. He would never consider himself a God.
All involved employees of the Store should be fired.
Now, I wonder which one of you on AppleInsider is a racist?
There may no be a "dress code", but if these guys were dressed like thugs and have a reputation as troublesome people, then I see absolutely no problem with them being asked to leave.
You are basing your opinion on a news story that doesn't provide all the information as to what really happens. Sounds like you are doing a bit of trolling...
I don't know exactly how those two people looked or dressed, but if they dressed anything like the pants on these two geniuses in the picture, then I would have immediately given them the boot from the Apple store, even if they had been wearing shirts, unlike the two in the picture.
agreed!!!
Why would I be terrified? I don't dress like I just got released from Riker's Island. I have nothing to worry about when walking into an Apple store. And yes, I am a real cool stand-up guy. I tell it like it is and I am fortunate enough to have a pretty good BS detector built in to me.
I think you are full of it. Your detector must be up the blink or it'd be going full time.
A lot of people are assuming an awful lot. Period. Nobody knows anything. Maybe the Apple employee over reacted to a perceived threat. But then again, maybe not. Maybe his inner racist came out, but then again, maybe not. Maybe the two guys were looking for trouble, but then again, maybe not. Nobody here knows and to voice an opinion as to who is guilty is sure to do nothing more than reveal prejudices.
Is there a 'how to treat a gangsta' rule book?
That's bull. If you dress like a criminal do I have the right to handcuff you and lock you up? We live in a world of diverse fashions and everybody knows that. How should we treat someone who dresses like a pirate (ish), or god forbid, a 'prostitute'? Criminals don't 'dress like criminals', they usually dress like bankers. At least the really bad ones do. If you see someone wearing stripes, on the other hand, its much more serious I got to admit.
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You are being very unfair and biased here yourself. You pick my comments out for chastisement, when even a casual perusal of the thread makes it obvious that my remarks are some of the most temperate.
Your also missing the fact that I almost completely agree with you and you with me. Your first paragraph for instance is almost a 1 to 1 paraphrasing of my first comment on the thread.
Maybe you are just making a bad joke but you are putting words in my mouth with your over the top interpretation of the clothing issue and I don't appreciate it.
What I said was that people judge each other and outward appearances like clothing and the way in which a person carries themselves is a big part of that. These are just obvious facts, I'm not trying to make some arcane weird argument here. I was in fact making a distinction between merely wearing baggy clothes and "looking/acting Gangsta"and there is a big difference, and it's pretty obvious to any impartial observer who hasn't been hiding under a rock for the last 20 years.
What I said was that *IF* in fact, these guys were dressed/acting "Gangsta" then they must expect to be treated as if they were in fact dangerous criminals, which is basically the whole point of dressing/acting that way.
To argue against this by posting a humorous picture of a guy in stripes misses the entire point at best. The fact that not all criminals dress/act like criminals, doesn't in any way alter the fact that dressing/acting like a criminal may sometimes get you treated like one. That doesn't even make sense.
Only criminals were baggy clothing? If you don?t believe that then you can?t draw such a conclusion.
It wasn?t that long ago that we drew conclusions on intelligence based on the number of mustard seeds a cranium could hold. Can you not see the mismeasure of such a conclusion?
Can you not see and understand exactly what was being said? Clearly he is referring to the folks who wear baggy tops, hoodies to cover their heads, and baggy pants hanging below their asses. I have dealt with folks like this and I am always on "red alert" because this image reminds me of an urban street thug.
And how do you know that?
A dress code? An over the top comment. If you want to imitate the fashion of criminals, then don't be surprised at the reception you get at a bank or a retail store. Baggy clothes help conceal firearms and stolen goods which is why prisoners and thugs wear them.
And you're making an assumption that I'm white.
Actually, people of all walks of life are wearing baggy clothing. Church goers, graduate level students, small business owners, etc You are just as likely to meet ex-cons, thugs, and drug dealers dressed in traditional suit and tie.
By the way, should I assume you have practice concealing firearms and stolen goods? Since know a lot about prisoners and thugs.
I don't know exactly how those two people looked or dressed, but if they dressed anything like the pants on these two geniuses in the picture, then I would have immediately given them the boot from the Apple store, even if they had been wearing shirts, unlike the two in the picture.
There may no be a "dress code", but if these guys were dressed like thugs and have a reputation as troublesome people, then I see absolutely no problem with them being asked to leave.
You are basing your opinion on a news story that doesn't provide all the information as to what really happens. Sounds like you are doing a bit of trolling...
agreed!!!
Can you not see and understand exactly what was being said? Clearly he is referring to the folks who wear baggy tops, hoodies to cover their heads, and baggy pants hanging below their asses. I have dealt with folks like this and I am always on "red alert" because this image reminds me of an urban street thug.
What fun! Based on "baggy pants and sweaters with hoods" we've gone the full thug.
This is just pure, unadulterated racism. Ya'll should be banned for it.
Apple is terrified of discrimination, they couldn't even get rid of obvious Chinese scalpers, I doubt they would deliberately eject black people because they were black.
Maybe their baggy pants were obscene. Maybe they were the kind of douches who wear their pants damn near hanging down on their knees, like a bunch of uncivilized retards. Maybe they were loud or speaking offensive language or they were doing something else which got them booted.
Not everything that happens to black people is because of racism. Maybe those two people who like to dress like thugs can call Obama and then we can have a beer summit and Obama can hold a press conference and say that Steve Jobs and Apple acted stupidly.
Black people and liberals or anybody for that matter who plays the race card are disgusting human beings, pure trash.
You seem eager to discriminate against people. You should check out the video Apple did for the "it gets better" campaign on you tube. Diversity is one of Apples hallmarks. Seeing past ones attire, hair etc. seems to have served apple well, probably by forcing people to judge others work on its merits.
For those reasons I would find it a little surprising to find these allegations true. But not impossible by any stretch. Racism isn't everywhere but it does show up still. For instance, take your post...
Are you ever going to be done with the Chinese scalpers thing?
When we lived in Las Vegas, 1964-78 a group of individual performers was known as the "Rat-Pack", Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis Jr., Dean Martin, Joey Bishop and Peter Lawford.
Rat Pack
Many of these entertainers would appear "in-town" at different hotels, concurrently. After a show, one performer would "drop-in" on another's show -- and go onstage and perform a duet -- sometimes steal the show. Often, those not "in town" would fly in just to do the "tour".
Sometimes, a lucky audience attending, say, a Dean Martin show -- would get the whole "rat-pack" on stage -- to the enjoyment of all.
Of topic?
Not too much.
What's interesting is that the rat pack performed in the "best hotels" in Las Vegas and entertained the best audiences -- often to standing Os.
But, one of them could not stay in a hotel room within the Las Vegas City Limits. Sammy Davis Jr., because he was "black" had to stay at hotels in the City of North Las Vegas.
That was less than 50 years ago...
Oddly enough, few have done as much for racial integration of Las Vegas than Dino and Frankie: they got tired of casino owners telling them Sammy couldn't stay there, so they put out the word, "Sammy's welcome, or we don't play your club". No club could afford to have the two biggest names in town boycott them, so they began to repeal their "whites only" policies.
What fun! Based on "baggy pants and sweaters with hoods" we've gone the full thug.
This is just pure, unadulterated racism. Ya'll should be banned for it.
Baloney. If it was two white douchebag kids who dressed the exact same way, then they too should get the boot.
Are you ever going to be done with the Chinese scalpers thing?
I'm done with the Chinese scalpers for now, until the iPad 3 comes out I guess.
I have my iPad 2 now, and it's great, I'm loving it. I'm not on it right now, but it is next to me and I just have time warner cable on in the background running.
It wasnt the same " inviting " place that im used too. I stood by the Macbook Air and tried to get some help and got surrounded by guys (NOT Salesmen ) saying No one is available
I dont think (or Hope ) it was about Race but about Overzealous security guys paying too much attention to the black customers while salesmen paid NONE ! I even went back again days later and guess what .. Same Sh**
I went to the 5th Avenue Apple Store & got helped immediately.
Picked up a White IPhone,
These young guys that look like thugs ... walk around with $300 Headphones, IPhones AND IPod Touches ( Too much music for 1 device ) and they love Apple products just like you guys with tight Dockers.
If you dont like them, then put up those WHITE ONLY signs tucked away in your parents closets
Why would I be terrified? I don't dress like I just got released from Riker's Island. I have nothing to worry about when walking into an Apple store. And yes, I am a real cool stand-up guy. I tell it like it is and I am fortunate enough to have a pretty good BS detector built in to me.
Speaking of Riker's Island, is that where that suit and tie wearing, crazy old, rich ex-politician, serial rapist name Dominique Strauss-Kahn was being detained? (Reality check, anyone?)
Speaking of Riker's Island, is that where that suit and tie wearing, crazy old, rich ex-politician, serial rapist name Dominique Strauss-Kahn was being detained? (Reality check, anyone?)
Yes it was. Criminals and rapists come in all stripes and colors. Suit wearing rapists does not cancel out baggy pants wearing thug wannabes.
I don't know exactly how those two people looked or dressed, but if they dressed anything like the pants on these two geniuses in the picture, then I would have immediately given them the boot from the Apple store, even if they had been wearing shirts, unlike the two in the picture.
Bad example, IMO.
While I don't find this style attractive -- I am not threatened by it. The two individuals might be refused service for no shirts if that is accepted dress. But they're not in a store -- they're outside on a sunny day.
Other than that -- the two in the picture appear to be neat and clean, they are not exposing themselves -- and it doesn't appear that it would be easy for them to shoplift anything.
I often go to stores dressed in clean sweats or shorts and T-Shirts -- and expect to get service.
The outfits pictured above are less revealing than most shorts.
Baloney. If it was two white douchebag kids who dressed the exact same way, then they too should get the boot.
Except that's not what we're talking about, is it? And it's not the picture you chose to post, is it? And people like you always claim that they'd treat white people who somehow triggered the same fear and loathing "just the same", but it never seems to happen, does it?