However, I think that I tend to do so not out of any ethical considerations but out of a sense that a balance of social and individual is the best way to maximize individual freedom while at the same time maximizing the strength of the social whole.
I also believe in power and force, but believe that it should be wielded with a very long term intelligence. . . .that a well developed intelligence that thinks with circumspection and foresight is more powerfull then brute force.
I also believe in gun ownership with restrictions on the ease of the initial purchase.
I love old big cars, but am very typically a rabid environmentalist.
I tend towards liberalism, but hate communism and understand the dangers of planning out human energies: in other words I understand the dangers of too much socialism.
For the most part I detest the liberal politics of my immediate colleagues in academia. They appear unhistorical even as they apply their brands of Historical materialism to everything
I am a moderate conservative who is against the death penalty and I am pro-life. The two go hand in hand. As for what I differ with as compared to some conservative doctrine I am all for the following:
Socialized medicine with voucher transfers for those who want to apply their taxed medical fund money to their own private care provider. I am for federal control of the public school system not local control. Schools should be equal. I do not admire how some areas have premium schools while some areas have very very poor conditions for learning. Again socialized but again with a voucher option for people to "choose" a private provider if they wish. The voucher would allow the taxed education fund money to to be used as the individual wishes. Public or Private just as the medical example above. I view this just as I view the public road system in America. It is ignorant to get all upset about who actually uses the roads. Some people may never need to use the roads could be an argument to which I say TUFF! The same is needed with health care and education. We need a socialized system so that all are provided for with good quality and service while leaving a way for those who wish for a private choice can still opt and transfer to such an option. I am all for this "Choice" while at the same time making it a priority for ALL to be provided with health care, roads, and education. Those who live in poorer areas need not do without. If society does not invest in this list of ideas I state above we will still pay a price and a bigger price at that. We will miss out on what could be a bigger economy that generates a greater GDP and tax revenue. We will have more people unable to work due to medical related problems. We will have people that drop out of their crumbling schools only to find for themselves a life of crime in far too many case which directly cost each one of us in this society. We must invest in our human capital as well as our road system.
Socialism for certain sectors with voucher transfer for those who opt for private providers.
And no I am from texas and I too do not fit the bill that Groverat listed in his reply.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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I also am a real swell guy,,,
As for the thread topic:
I am a moderate conservative who is against the death penalty and I am pro-life. The two go hand in hand. As for what I differ with as compared to some conservative doctrine I am all for the following:
Socialized medicine with voucher transfers for those who want to apply their taxed medical fund money to their own private care provider. I am for federal control of the public school system not local control. Schools should be equal. I do not admire how some areas have premium schools while some areas have very very poor conditions for learning. Again socialized but again with a voucher option for people to "choose" a private provider if they wish. The voucher would allow the taxed education fund money to to be used as the individual wishes. Public or Private just as the medical example above. I view this just as I view the public road system in America. It is ignorant to get all upset about who actually uses the roads. Some people may never need to use the roads could be an argument to which I say TUFF! The same is needed with health care and education. We need a socialized system so that all are provided for with good quality and service while leaving a way for those who wish for a private choice can still opt and transfer to such an option. I am all for this "Choice" while at the same time making it a priority for ALL to be provided with health care, roads, and education. Those who live in poorer areas need not do without. If society does not invest in this list of ideas I state above we will still pay a price and a bigger price at that. We will miss out on what could be a bigger economy that generates a greater GDP and tax revenue. We will have more people unable to work due to medical related problems. We will have people that drop out of their crumbling schools only to find for themselves a life of crime in far too many case which directly cost each one of us in this society. We must invest in our human capital as well as our road system.
Socialism for certain sectors with voucher transfer for those who opt for private providers.
And no I am from texas and I too do not fit the bill that Groverat listed in his reply.
That's horrible , concerning Medecine and School you are discribing the french system
PS : many things are better in US. For example solidarity can degenerate in a provider of lazyness. When it's becoming more interesting to do not work than to work the system is flawed. And it's the case in France.
Generally i am for a private economy with a state regulation in some critics aera : school (but with space of liberty : the right to choose the school), medecine (the right to choose is vey important either), electricity.
I am stereotypically the guy who does not fit into stereotypes, but to break that stereotype I put myself into stereotypes. So now by being a stereotype I have broken the stereotype of not fitting into a stereotype. But since nobody likes stereotypes I break out. So now I am non-stereotypically breaking out of putting myself into a stereotype to break the stereotype of not fitting into a stereotype, but unfortunatly this would only make me stereotypical again.
And one day you will learn to properly evaluate what you read. Just because you agree with it doesn't make it true.
How exactly did Moore 'stage' the bank employee saying "yeah, we gott'em right here in the safe" if you had to go to a gun shop? Have you even seen the film? The author of that article doesn't seem to have done so.
Jesus, just read the first 'fact' that your link has issues with, it's pathetic:
[quote]
TITLE: Moore titled the movie Bowling for Columbine because, he suggests, the two kids who shot up Columbine High in Littleton, Colo., went to a 6 a.m. bowling class on the day of the attack.
ACTUALLY: Cool story, but police say it's not true. They say the shooters skipped their bowling class that day.
<hr></blockquote>
The title is three words: 'bowling', 'for' & 'columbine' and yet they're calling him a liar because of what they assume he is claiming by titling his film in this way.
Q. Why is the movie called ?Bowling for Columbine??
A. First off, let me make it clear that this is not a bowling movie. Bowling fans will be disappointed if they come expecting to see a number of exciting bowling maneuvers.
It is also not a movie about the Columbine tragedy, although that sad event is revisited briefly in the film.
The title is taken from the little-known fact that the two killers, Dylan and Eric, were supposed to be in bowling class at Columbine High School on the morning of the murders. At least five witnesses, including their teacher, told the police that they saw one or both boys that morning at the bowling alley for their first hour class. Some school and law enforcement officials later maintained that the two boys skipped that class that morning yet no other witness has come forward to say they saw Eric and Dylan anywhere else that morning.
One reason the film is called ?Bowling For Columbine? is that, after the massacre, all the pundits and experts started blaming all the usual suspects that are wheeled out for blame whenever a school shooting occurs?evil rock music (in this case Marilyn Manson), violent video games, and bad parenting.
My point is that those scapegoats make about as much sense as blaming bowling. After all, Eric and Dylan were bowlers, they took bowling class at Columbine?was bowling responsible for their evil deeds? If they bowled that morning, did the bowling trigger their desire to commit mass murder? Or, if they skipped their bowling class that morning, did that bring on the massacre? Had they bowled, that may have altered their mood and prevented them from picking up their guns. As you can see, this is all nonsense, just as it is nonsense to blame Marilyn Manson.
The title suggests other metaphors for the state of the nation which are best left to the viewers and their imagination.
Q. Is that bank that hands out guns for real?
A. Yes. North Country Bank (with branches throughout Northern Michigan) offers you a wide choice of guns when you open up a certificate of deposit account. In effect, they are giving you all of the interest the account will earn in advance in the form of a gun. The bank is also an authorized federal arms dealer so they can do the quick background check right there at the bank. I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, walked out with my new Weatherby?just as you see it in the film. (I did have a choice of getting a pair of golf clubs or a grandfather clock, but they didn?t have either of those hanging on the wall like they did those three rifles). I learned about the bank?s gun offer from an ad in the local paper that showed a gun across the top with the heading, ? More Bang for Your Buck? from North Country Bank. I still have the account and the gun to this day (though I plan to legally ?auction? off the gun for charity, and creatively have it destroyed?more on that later!)
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My apologies for the thread hijack, but that style of article really gets my goat.
Back on topic, I'm a euro-communist, peace-loving hippie who believes in truly free markets and regularly visits the States (at least once a year). I am a big fan of the country and its people and I am always eager to learn more about it's history, culture and politics. I inherited this interest from my father who was born on the 4th of July and spends his birthday in the States whenever he can.
mid-late 20th century construction, with romantic touches in the crown molding and finials, art deco inspired lines, and a strong canadian back... still in original condition (never been refinished) with weathering typical of the west coast lifestyle.
rarely seen at auction, equipped with tongue/groove fittings for mating to certain statuesque redheaded pieces with similarly long legs and luscious patina or inlay. if adding two or more matching redheads, an extra leaf can be installed in the middle to lengthen the piece and accommodate more guests.
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Because <a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372&_requestid=6287"; target="_blank">I read</a>.
Very good! See groverat read!
However, I think that I tend to do so not out of any ethical considerations but out of a sense that a balance of social and individual is the best way to maximize individual freedom while at the same time maximizing the strength of the social whole.
I also believe in power and force, but believe that it should be wielded with a very long term intelligence. . . .that a well developed intelligence that thinks with circumspection and foresight is more powerfull then brute force.
I also believe in gun ownership with restrictions on the ease of the initial purchase.
I love old big cars, but am very typically a rabid environmentalist.
I tend towards liberalism, but hate communism and understand the dangers of planning out human energies: in other words I understand the dangers of too much socialism.
For the most part I detest the liberal politics of my immediate colleagues in academia. They appear unhistorical even as they apply their brands of Historical materialism to everything
<strong>I'm a real swell guy. Just ask!
I also am a real swell guy,,,
As for the thread topic:
I am a moderate conservative who is against the death penalty and I am pro-life. The two go hand in hand. As for what I differ with as compared to some conservative doctrine I am all for the following:
Socialized medicine with voucher transfers for those who want to apply their taxed medical fund money to their own private care provider. I am for federal control of the public school system not local control. Schools should be equal. I do not admire how some areas have premium schools while some areas have very very poor conditions for learning. Again socialized but again with a voucher option for people to "choose" a private provider if they wish. The voucher would allow the taxed education fund money to to be used as the individual wishes. Public or Private just as the medical example above. I view this just as I view the public road system in America. It is ignorant to get all upset about who actually uses the roads. Some people may never need to use the roads could be an argument to which I say TUFF! The same is needed with health care and education. We need a socialized system so that all are provided for with good quality and service while leaving a way for those who wish for a private choice can still opt and transfer to such an option. I am all for this "Choice" while at the same time making it a priority for ALL to be provided with health care, roads, and education. Those who live in poorer areas need not do without. If society does not invest in this list of ideas I state above we will still pay a price and a bigger price at that. We will miss out on what could be a bigger economy that generates a greater GDP and tax revenue. We will have more people unable to work due to medical related problems. We will have people that drop out of their crumbling schools only to find for themselves a life of crime in far too many case which directly cost each one of us in this society. We must invest in our human capital as well as our road system.
Socialism for certain sectors with voucher transfer for those who opt for private providers.
And no I am from texas and I too do not fit the bill that Groverat listed in his reply.
Fellowship
[ 01-19-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</p>
<strong>
I also am a real swell guy,,,
As for the thread topic:
I am a moderate conservative who is against the death penalty and I am pro-life. The two go hand in hand. As for what I differ with as compared to some conservative doctrine I am all for the following:
Socialized medicine with voucher transfers for those who want to apply their taxed medical fund money to their own private care provider. I am for federal control of the public school system not local control. Schools should be equal. I do not admire how some areas have premium schools while some areas have very very poor conditions for learning. Again socialized but again with a voucher option for people to "choose" a private provider if they wish. The voucher would allow the taxed education fund money to to be used as the individual wishes. Public or Private just as the medical example above. I view this just as I view the public road system in America. It is ignorant to get all upset about who actually uses the roads. Some people may never need to use the roads could be an argument to which I say TUFF! The same is needed with health care and education. We need a socialized system so that all are provided for with good quality and service while leaving a way for those who wish for a private choice can still opt and transfer to such an option. I am all for this "Choice" while at the same time making it a priority for ALL to be provided with health care, roads, and education. Those who live in poorer areas need not do without. If society does not invest in this list of ideas I state above we will still pay a price and a bigger price at that. We will miss out on what could be a bigger economy that generates a greater GDP and tax revenue. We will have more people unable to work due to medical related problems. We will have people that drop out of their crumbling schools only to find for themselves a life of crime in far too many case which directly cost each one of us in this society. We must invest in our human capital as well as our road system.
Socialism for certain sectors with voucher transfer for those who opt for private providers.
And no I am from texas and I too do not fit the bill that Groverat listed in his reply.
Fellowship
[ 01-19-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's horrible , concerning Medecine and School you are discribing the french system
PS : many things are better in US. For example solidarity can degenerate in a provider of lazyness. When it's becoming more interesting to do not work than to work the system is flawed. And it's the case in France.
Generally i am for a private economy with a state regulation in some critics aera : school (but with space of liberty : the right to choose the school), medecine (the right to choose is vey important either), electricity.
I am stereotypically the guy who does not fit into stereotypes, but to break that stereotype I put myself into stereotypes. So now by being a stereotype I have broken the stereotype of not fitting into a stereotype. But since nobody likes stereotypes I break out. So now I am non-stereotypically breaking out of putting myself into a stereotype to break the stereotype of not fitting into a stereotype, but unfortunatly this would only make me stereotypical again.
I also love plum lamé pants...the more flared at the bottom, the better.
I listen to death metal and bake biscuits from scratch while, oddly enough, scratching myself.
I don't watch CNN but I love Lifetime and BET.
I voted for Al Sharpton in 2002, even though he wasn't on the ticket.
I'll take white seedless grapes over carrots any day.
I've got a tattoo of Fairuza Balk peeling a banana with her teeth on my inner thigh...in full, blazing color.
I can tap dance like nobody's business...but I'd rather break dance, given the choice.
I drink water from the tap.
I'm really not who I say I am (nor am I from where I say I'm from).
English is my third language.
I only pretend to like Macs so I can hang out here and fit in a bit.
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Because <a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html?_requestid=2372&_requestid=6287"; target="_blank">I read</a>.
And one day you will learn to properly evaluate what you read. Just because you agree with it doesn't make it true.
How exactly did Moore 'stage' the bank employee saying "yeah, we gott'em right here in the safe" if you had to go to a gun shop? Have you even seen the film? The author of that article doesn't seem to have done so.
Jesus, just read the first 'fact' that your link has issues with, it's pathetic:
[quote]
TITLE: Moore titled the movie Bowling for Columbine because, he suggests, the two kids who shot up Columbine High in Littleton, Colo., went to a 6 a.m. bowling class on the day of the attack.
ACTUALLY: Cool story, but police say it's not true. They say the shooters skipped their bowling class that day.
<hr></blockquote>
The title is three words: 'bowling', 'for' & 'columbine' and yet they're calling him a liar because of what they assume he is claiming by titling his film in this way.
from the FAQ at <a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/:"; target="_blank">http://www.michaelmoore.com/:</a>;
Q. Why is the movie called ?Bowling for Columbine??
A. First off, let me make it clear that this is not a bowling movie. Bowling fans will be disappointed if they come expecting to see a number of exciting bowling maneuvers.
It is also not a movie about the Columbine tragedy, although that sad event is revisited briefly in the film.
The title is taken from the little-known fact that the two killers, Dylan and Eric, were supposed to be in bowling class at Columbine High School on the morning of the murders. At least five witnesses, including their teacher, told the police that they saw one or both boys that morning at the bowling alley for their first hour class. Some school and law enforcement officials later maintained that the two boys skipped that class that morning yet no other witness has come forward to say they saw Eric and Dylan anywhere else that morning.
One reason the film is called ?Bowling For Columbine? is that, after the massacre, all the pundits and experts started blaming all the usual suspects that are wheeled out for blame whenever a school shooting occurs?evil rock music (in this case Marilyn Manson), violent video games, and bad parenting.
My point is that those scapegoats make about as much sense as blaming bowling. After all, Eric and Dylan were bowlers, they took bowling class at Columbine?was bowling responsible for their evil deeds? If they bowled that morning, did the bowling trigger their desire to commit mass murder? Or, if they skipped their bowling class that morning, did that bring on the massacre? Had they bowled, that may have altered their mood and prevented them from picking up their guns. As you can see, this is all nonsense, just as it is nonsense to blame Marilyn Manson.
The title suggests other metaphors for the state of the nation which are best left to the viewers and their imagination.
Q. Is that bank that hands out guns for real?
A. Yes. North Country Bank (with branches throughout Northern Michigan) offers you a wide choice of guns when you open up a certificate of deposit account. In effect, they are giving you all of the interest the account will earn in advance in the form of a gun. The bank is also an authorized federal arms dealer so they can do the quick background check right there at the bank. I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, walked out with my new Weatherby?just as you see it in the film. (I did have a choice of getting a pair of golf clubs or a grandfather clock, but they didn?t have either of those hanging on the wall like they did those three rifles). I learned about the bank?s gun offer from an ad in the local paper that showed a gun across the top with the heading, ? More Bang for Your Buck? from North Country Bank. I still have the account and the gun to this day (though I plan to legally ?auction? off the gun for charity, and creatively have it destroyed?more on that later!)
---------------
My apologies for the thread hijack, but that style of article really gets my goat.
Back on topic, I'm a euro-communist, peace-loving hippie who believes in truly free markets and regularly visits the States (at least once a year). I am a big fan of the country and its people and I am always eager to learn more about it's history, culture and politics. I inherited this interest from my father who was born on the 4th of July and spends his birthday in the States whenever he can.
i'm the prototype of something new
mid-late 20th century construction, with romantic touches in the crown molding and finials, art deco inspired lines, and a strong canadian back... still in original condition (never been refinished) with weathering typical of the west coast lifestyle.
rarely seen at auction, equipped with tongue/groove fittings for mating to certain statuesque redheaded pieces with similarly long legs and luscious patina or inlay. if adding two or more matching redheads, an extra leaf can be installed in the middle to lengthen the piece and accommodate more guests.
Manifest Destiny, baby!