I love this about France and Europe. Fscking Europeans tells up about freedom? In Fance you can't speek your mind about someone's wine without getting sued and your business ruined. ****ing hillarious.
[quote]Mr. Favrot, 32, is editor of Lyon Mag, a small magazine from nearby Lyon that has started a war of words here by printing a sacrilege: that Beaujolais nouveau, the fruity young wine that has won this quiet corner of France fame from Topeka to Tokyo, is a "vin de merde" ? politely put, sewage wine.
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After the article appeared last August, the red-faced makers of Beaujolais sued the magazine for "denigrating a product," and earlier this month won nearly $375,000 in damages and court costs. That was several times the usual amount in such cases and one of the largest awards ever won against the French press.<hr></blockquote>
Hmm. I would use stronger words than "merde" about the Beaujolais. Why anyone would drink that is beyond me
About the substance: I´m quite surprised that France have laws like that. Its normal to have laws against negative commercials (like "drink Pepsi, because its better than Coke") but doesn´t seem to be the case here. I don´t get it
One thing Scott. France isn´t Europe like you aren´t the Conservatives
<strong>Ah freedom. Come to the US if you want some.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was totally unnecessary. Grow up, Scott. Care to discuss what happens if you are talking to your buddies in the workplace and a woman eavesdrops, is offended, and sues your pants off for sexual harassment?
<strong>Hmm. I would use stronger words than "merde" about the Beaujolais. Why anyone would drink that is beyond me
About the substance: I´m quite surprised that France have laws like that. Its normal to have laws against negative commercials (like "drink Pepsi, because its better than Coke") but doesn´t seem to be the case here. I don´t get it
One thing Scott. France isn´t Europe like you aren´t the Conservatives</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sometimes justice suck in my countrie, and i would add too many times.
Concerning the Beaujolais, you can find some good Beaujolais, but i agree that two many times it's a bad wine. The Bourgogne is a far better wine, even if in fact the Beaujolais in the south of the Bourgogne. I have often problems with that wine, who give me a red neck while i drink it.
I have never this problem with great Bourgognes or Bordeau (even the lesser ones).
If you come in France to visit me i will drink with you some great wines if you want. .
For thos interested by french wines , there is good quality price ,there is many wines different from Bordeau or Bourgogne which are pretty good.
PS
Scott, it's not because one decision of justice , or even the whole justice sucks, that i would be ashame to be french. I am just interested by the truth, and to no twist the truth. Yes this discussion of justice sucks. Killing a newspaper for that is not fair.
very country does wrong...it is nice when they keep it to a minimum....g
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still... ) g
<strong>very country does wrong...it is nice when they keep it to a minimum....g
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still... ) g</strong><hr></blockquote>
Here: [rant] too much bureaucracy. Far too much. Paper, paper, paper.. certificates, 100 offices and 10 000 persons working for government etc - and no one knows what paper you need for something if you want to do something respecting the rules.. solution: never mind. 200 000 laws, 300 000 policemen - in media nearly everybody knows at least one law. corruption, police that does nothing - they often know who are some of the biggest criminals, and exactly what they do and where they are, but they are trying to make the people believe they don't know anything. the laws are applicable to persons. someone stealing a piece of bread because he is hungry is sent to prison, politicians stealing hundreds of thousands of public money instead get all the honour possible. the mail il superfast - i sent two months ago a tracked express letter to france : it has not arrived there yet. also in these past months there are a nice list of items i want to know when will they be coming (i don't want to believe that the mail steals); a book, a packet from cupertino, and a slot of RAM. superhigh juvenile unemployment. ageing population. no stable works. raccomandations = all the stable works go to the relatives and lovers of the people with already a stable work. what the mothers don't manage to castrate in the minds of their children is done by the schools, universities, endless concourses for works, ... there is no future. [/rant]
<strong>Here: [rant] too much bureaucracy. Far too much. Paper, paper, paper.. certificates, 100 offices and 10 000 persons working for government etc - and no one knows what paper you need for something if you want to do something respecting the rules.. solution: never mind. 200 000 laws, 300 000 policemen - in media nearly everybody knows at least one law. corruption, police that does nothing - they often know who are some of the biggest criminals, and exactly what they do and where they are, but they are trying to make the people believe they don't know anything. the laws are applicable to persons. someone stealing a piece of bread because he is hungry is sent to prison, politicians stealing hundreds of thousands of public money instead get all the honour possible. the mail il superfast - i sent two months ago a tracked express letter to france : it has not arrived there yet. also in these past months there are a nice list of items i want to know when will they be coming (i don't want to believe that the mail steals); a book, a packet from cupertino, and a slot of RAM. superhigh juvenile unemployment. ageing population. no stable works. raccomandations = all the stable works go to the relatives and lovers of the people with already a stable work. what the mothers don't manage to castrate in the minds of their children is done by the schools, universities, endless concourses for works, ... there is no future. [/rant]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have eard that an official org of Italia have discovered after checking more than 50 000 enterprises that more than 50 % of them,employed undeclared workers. May be it coud explain why you have difficulties to find, official work Mulatta. They said also that the north was not bether than the south for this point.
<strong>very country does wrong...it is nice when they keep it to a minimum....g
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still... ) g</strong><hr></blockquote>
There seems to be a culture in the States for sueing. Haven't people sued MacDonalds because they weren't told eating burgers and fries would make them fat (didn't a woman sue MacDonalds because she wasn't told her coffee was hot)?
You are joking about oral sex still being illegal in most states?! As an adult you can presumably drive a car, even carry a gun, but not legally give or receive oral sex?!
You are joking about oral sex still being illegal in most states?! As an adult you can presumably drive a car, even carry a gun, but not legally give or receive oral sex?!
That's unbelievable!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes it's unbelievable, in french we will said " c'est dur Ã* avaler" (it's hard to swallow)
<strong>very country does wrong...it is nice when they keep it to a minimum....g
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still... ) g</strong><hr></blockquote>
I just found
<a href="http://www.dumblaws.com"; target="_blank">Dumb laws.com</a>. Some examples from Alabama:
Putting salt on a railroad track may be punishable by death.
You may not have an ice cream cone in your back pocket at any time.
There seems to be a culture in the States for sueing. Haven't people sued MacDonalds because they weren't told eating burgers and fries would make them fat
</strong><hr></blockquote>
In an oversimplified manner that makes the case look totally ridiculous, yes that's what's happening right now. It's legitimately called the war against "Big Fat." Laugh all you want now. There is a legitimate case against them.
No there isn't. There can't be. People just can't (or they SHOULDN'T) be allowed to go through life stupid and uninformed and lacking common sense...then when something bad happens to them - of their OWN doing - turn around and sue over it.
That's wrong, that's stupid, that's irresponsible and it absolutely sends wrong, dangerous messages.
Anyone who's been on this planet for any amount of time who doesn't know that constant wolfing down of Quarter-Pounders, milkshakes and french fries will make you fat is obviously too stupid to be allowed to walk around unsupervised.
You can't smoke for 40 years, get cancer and sue the cigarette company. You can't eat Whoppers and Big Macs for 25 years, develop and enormous fat ass and sue the restaurants you voluntarily patronized for those 25 years.
Not in my world you can't.
And if I was a judge, I'd throw that stuff out of my court the minute it hit my desk.
"Counselors, please approach the bench: GET THE #$#@% OUT OF HERE WITH THIS NONSENSE!!! And take your fat-ass client with you and drop him off at the gym on the way home! You come back in here again with this horseshit, I'll have you dis-barred!"
You are joking about oral sex still being illegal in most states?! As an adult you can presumably drive a car, even carry a gun, but not legally give or receive oral sex?!
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[quote]Mr. Favrot, 32, is editor of Lyon Mag, a small magazine from nearby Lyon that has started a war of words here by printing a sacrilege: that Beaujolais nouveau, the fruity young wine that has won this quiet corner of France fame from Topeka to Tokyo, is a "vin de merde" ? politely put, sewage wine.
....
After the article appeared last August, the red-faced makers of Beaujolais sued the magazine for "denigrating a product," and earlier this month won nearly $375,000 in damages and court costs. That was several times the usual amount in such cases and one of the largest awards ever won against the French press.<hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Ah freedom. Come to the US if you want some.
About the substance: I´m quite surprised that France have laws like that. Its normal to have laws against negative commercials (like "drink Pepsi, because its better than Coke") but doesn´t seem to be the case here. I don´t get it
One thing Scott. France isn´t Europe like you aren´t the Conservatives
<strong>Ah freedom. Come to the US if you want some.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That was totally unnecessary. Grow up, Scott. Care to discuss what happens if you are talking to your buddies in the workplace and a woman eavesdrops, is offended, and sues your pants off for sexual harassment?
Ahhh, Freedom. Ain't it a bitch?
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
<strong>Hmm. I would use stronger words than "merde" about the Beaujolais. Why anyone would drink that is beyond me
About the substance: I´m quite surprised that France have laws like that. Its normal to have laws against negative commercials (like "drink Pepsi, because its better than Coke") but doesn´t seem to be the case here. I don´t get it
One thing Scott. France isn´t Europe like you aren´t the Conservatives</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sometimes justice suck in my countrie, and i would add too many times.
Concerning the Beaujolais, you can find some good Beaujolais, but i agree that two many times it's a bad wine. The Bourgogne is a far better wine, even if in fact the Beaujolais in the south of the Bourgogne. I have often problems with that wine, who give me a red neck while i drink it.
I have never this problem with great Bourgognes or Bordeau (even the lesser ones).
If you come in France to visit me i will drink with you some great wines if you want.
For thos interested by french wines , there is good quality price ,there is many wines different from Bordeau or Bourgogne which are pretty good.
PS
Scott, it's not because one decision of justice , or even the whole justice sucks, that i would be ashame to be french. I am just interested by the truth, and to no twist the truth. Yes this discussion of justice sucks. Killing a newspaper for that is not fair.
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still...
<strong>very country does wrong...it is nice when they keep it to a minimum....g
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still...
Indeed she was.
<strong>Other countries do NOTHING wrong. It's ALL us (U.S.), 100%. Don't you people know that yet? Where have you been?
No, only martians are perfect, they are so respectefull to do not interfere with us poor humans, that we never met them.
<strong>Here: [rant] too much bureaucracy. Far too much. Paper, paper, paper.. certificates, 100 offices and 10 000 persons working for government etc - and no one knows what paper you need for something if you want to do something respecting the rules.. solution: never mind. 200 000 laws, 300 000 policemen - in media nearly everybody knows at least one law. corruption, police that does nothing - they often know who are some of the biggest criminals, and exactly what they do and where they are, but they are trying to make the people believe they don't know anything. the laws are applicable to persons. someone stealing a piece of bread because he is hungry is sent to prison, politicians stealing hundreds of thousands of public money instead get all the honour possible. the mail il superfast - i sent two months ago a tracked express letter to france : it has not arrived there yet. also in these past months there are a nice list of items i want to know when will they be coming (i don't want to believe that the mail steals); a book, a packet from cupertino, and a slot of RAM. superhigh juvenile unemployment. ageing population. no stable works. raccomandations = all the stable works go to the relatives and lovers of the people with already a stable work. what the mothers don't manage to castrate in the minds of their children is done by the schools, universities, endless concourses for works, ... there is no future. [/rant]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have eard that an official org of Italia have discovered after checking more than 50 000 enterprises that more than 50 % of them,employed undeclared workers. May be it coud explain why you have difficulties to find, official work Mulatta. They said also that the north was not bether than the south for this point.
<strong>very country does wrong...it is nice when they keep it to a minimum....g
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still...
There seems to be a culture in the States for sueing. Haven't people sued MacDonalds because they weren't told eating burgers and fries would make them fat (didn't a woman sue MacDonalds because she wasn't told her coffee was hot)?
You are joking about oral sex still being illegal in most states?! As an adult you can presumably drive a car, even carry a gun, but not legally give or receive oral sex?!
That's unbelievable!!
<strong>
You are joking about oral sex still being illegal in most states?! As an adult you can presumably drive a car, even carry a gun, but not legally give or receive oral sex?!
That's unbelievable!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
yes it's unbelievable, in french we will said " c'est dur Ã* avaler" (it's hard to swallow)
<strong>very country does wrong...it is nice when they keep it to a minimum....g
wasn't oprah sued by the meat council for something she said?? all countries have crazy laws to protect businesses, investments or beliefs (oral sex is illegal in most states still, some even between married people....my wife insists it is a law here still...
I just found
<a href="http://www.dumblaws.com"; target="_blank">Dumb laws.com</a>. Some examples from Alabama:
State officials ordered 400 words of "sexually explicit material" to be cut from Romeo and Juliet.
Carrizozo
It's forbidden for a female to appear unshaven in public.
Las Cruces
You may not carry a lunchbox down Main Street.
g
ps. the oral sex laws aren't usually enforced, but they stay on the books...
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: thegelding ]</p>
<strong>new mexico examples:
It's forbidden for a female to appear unshaven in public.
Las Cruces</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I kinda support that one actually.
<strong>
There seems to be a culture in the States for sueing. Haven't people sued MacDonalds because they weren't told eating burgers and fries would make them fat
</strong><hr></blockquote>
In an oversimplified manner that makes the case look totally ridiculous, yes that's what's happening right now. It's legitimately called the war against "Big Fat." Laugh all you want now. There is a legitimate case against them.
<strong>
yes it's unbelievable, in french we will said " c'est dur Ã* avaler" (it's hard to swallow)
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
(in my case almost impossible to swallow
No there isn't. There can't be. People just can't (or they SHOULDN'T) be allowed to go through life stupid and uninformed and lacking common sense...then when something bad happens to them - of their OWN doing - turn around and sue over it.
That's wrong, that's stupid, that's irresponsible and it absolutely sends wrong, dangerous messages.
Anyone who's been on this planet for any amount of time who doesn't know that constant wolfing down of Quarter-Pounders, milkshakes and french fries will make you fat is obviously too stupid to be allowed to walk around unsupervised.
You can't smoke for 40 years, get cancer and sue the cigarette company. You can't eat Whoppers and Big Macs for 25 years, develop and enormous fat ass and sue the restaurants you voluntarily patronized for those 25 years.
Not in my world you can't.
And if I was a judge, I'd throw that stuff out of my court the minute it hit my desk.
"Counselors, please approach the bench: GET THE #$#@% OUT OF HERE WITH THIS NONSENSE!!! And take your fat-ass client with you and drop him off at the gym on the way home! You come back in here again with this horseshit, I'll have you dis-barred!"
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
A few judges start to do that, and all this silliness ends.
[ 01-20-2003: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
<strong>
You are joking about oral sex still being illegal in most states?! As an adult you can presumably drive a car, even carry a gun, but not legally give or receive oral sex?!
That's unbelievable!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yup. It's covered under sodomy laws in 11 states.