End of the month pms? C'mon, shake it off. You need to be stronger than that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stronger? I'm fine. Once I type that shit I feel great. I really don't care. I care about myself first, Family and the American people (excluding the mouth breathers) second (especially the military personel) and the rest of the world last.
Politicians, dictators and religious idiots in general can all take a flying leap.
Scott is just a moronic blip on my screen...why bother? Said my piece...wipe pants...move on.
" The UN WANTS TO ATTACK IRAQ, the US and UK are the only ones willing to say it publicly ".
Just another amature's opinion trying to bend the facts..................again. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
In most areas of the Arab world, they'd just as soon turn to blowing each other up if they didn't expend so much energy in their mutual hatred of the US. Which is to say nothing of Europe. France is having a hell of a time rounding up terror suspects and foiling plots. You think Chirac in France, or Schroeder in Germany, is more concerned with the safety of Americans or of Frenchmen and Germans (respectively). If somebody stomps Iraq and makes their job easier without drawing the ire of terrorists to their own countires, yay for them. I know that Chretien is thinking the same thing here in Canada. Whatever else you may think of him think that he is a very shrewd politician.
Does such a scheme actually have a chance of keeping terrorism out of our countries and keeping it focused at the US? Probably not, but in the meantime we save a whole lot of military expense and draw-up a nice scapegoat for ourselves if/when terrorism finally does strike our shores.
[quote]American people (excluding the mouth breathers) second (especially the military personel) and the rest of the world last.<hr></blockquote>
wow. you're.
hmm, if i posted what i thought of you after that statement i probably would lose posting privledges for life, so i'll leave it alone. i just hope someday you need those military folks around to protect you and you reap what you sow.
Only the French (and the Germans) are playing a double game here. Their Â?oppositionÂ? to the war really needs to be seen as a maneuver vis-Ã*-vis the new EU members. France also hopes that through a common citizenship with Germany sheÂ?ll be able to keep these new EU members subservient to French dominance in Europe. This is inline with France's Empire building ambitions..
Edit:
What do the Germans get out of this? They get to keep Turkey out of the EU with FranceÂ?s help..
Upon finding that that persons directly responosible wer Saudis.
A few Aircrasft cariers whoudl have steamed to the gulf. The Saudi ambassador shoudl have had his behind hauled to Washington to "explain" himself. Then been thrown out the country.
The Saudi Government should have been made to pay reparations to each and every family of the victims and well as pay for all property damage and ancillary economic problems.
Upon the Saudi's refusal, there should have been a regine change.
None of this Hunt for Bin-whomever
None of this bombing a country already in the stone age.
None of this Iraq nonsense.
Deal directly with the government of the citizens who performed the acts.
Don?t worry ?bout the Saudis. They?ll get theirs soon enough. But we need Iraqi Oil as replacement before we turn off the lights in Riyadh. btw, many involved in 9/11 were Egyptians..
<strong>I had the impression you Art man had a more sensitive soul.</strong><hr></blockquote>
heh. Do...still...maybe. I've been through some rough shit job wise and in life in general the past 3 years...I am not like this in real life. I seem to express more of the rage in me online than in real life...ah...therapy...
heh. Do...still...maybe. I've been through some rough shit job wise and in life in general the past 3 years...I am not like this in real life. I seem to express more of the rage in me online than in real life...ah...therapy...
Only the French (and the Germans) are playing a double game here. Their Â?oppositionÂ? to the war really needs to be seen as a maneuver vis-Ã*-vis the new EU members. France also hopes that through a common citizenship with Germany sheÂ?ll be able to keep these new EU members subservient to French dominance in Europe. This is inline with France's Empire building ambitions..
Edit:
What do the Germans get out of this? They get to keep Turkey out of the EU with FranceÂ?s help..
Regardless of what France and Germany are doing and their motives for doing it, the United States has laws it needs to follow. These arguments sound like the rants from a child rather than well structured reason.
"But mommy! Uncle France and Auntie Germany do it! I can too!!!"
[quote]Why, because I don't tow the anti-American party line here at AI?<hr></blockquote>
Scott, *you* are the anti-American here in A.I. You are supporting an action that's illegal, un- Constitutional, may result in the deaths of thousands of US troops, kill perhaps hundreds of thousands of civilians and turn a larger portion of the world against us. A war and occupation of Arab lands will sow the seeds for new extremist groups (the presence of US troops in Saudi gave rise to al qaida....the presence of US troops in Iraq gives rise to ???). Many senior admirals and generals have warned against executing this war, as has the CIA chief. It's going to cost up to $200 billion a year, trash an already sinking economy, wreck thousands of small businesses (as happened with Gulf War1). Now Bush is talking about the use of tactical atomic weapons against Iraq. Since you seem to drool over everything that issues from Bush's lips, one can only presume you support him on this lunacy also. If he uses nukes, the USA will assume the status of arch pariah by the rest of the world and we would be universally hated for decades. US passport holders anywhere else on planet Earth, look out.
Scott, you are an inverted patriot, mesmerized by your Chicken-hawk "heroes" of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, John Ashcroft, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Spencer Abraham, Don Evans, Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Bob Barr, Mitch McConnell, Dick Armey and Phil Gramm. Other draft dodgers baying for war include Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Newt Gingrich, 9-11 'superhero' Rudy Giuliani, Charlton Heston, Wayne LaPearre, Bill Bennett, Jerry Falwell, George Will, Bill O'Reilly, Tony Snow, Britt Hume, Sean Hannity and others who used their positions of wealth, power, and influence to either dodge the draft or in Bush's case to avoid a dangerous posting. In the case of Bush, he spent the Vietnam War defending Texas skies from Vietnamese invaders, in an Air National Guard billet arranged by his father's political cronies. (That is, when he actually showed up for duty, which, according to records, was rare.)
Perhaps they are feeling guilt, rushing to towards war in some kind of attempt to attone for their ignominious pasts. Scott, if you believe that fighting for your country is a patriotic act, the list above do not qualify as patriots. And from your rantings, neither do you.
This projected war has little to do with "fighting for our country". It will be a fight where the US military has been employed, at enormous US *public* taxpayer expense, to be used as a security and police agency to benefit *privately* held corporate interests. And those are not necessarily in the best interests of the American people.
Don?t go to war. Leave things as they are. How long before every Arab/Islamic country has these WoMD? So now they have these weapons. How long before the Imams get their rhetoric hot enough that their followers start crashing themselves with these WoMD against the decadent cities of the West? Then what? We give up our stolen riches to the poor? Then what? We all convert to Islam? So now we?re all backwards and poor, and followers of their religion. Is this your American dream come true?
Maybe you?re tired of working? Maybe you?d like it better to be locked in a room and be covered in your Hijab. Maybe you?d like it better birthing litters of kids to a husband that bought you like a dog, and that treats you even worse. Maybe that is what you want. Cause if it is, get your ass over there and live it up. You won?t even have to shave your hairy ass.
War is illegal? There will never be sound legal footing that concerns the behavior of states towards other states. Where it exists, it is either an illusion or untested and will hold together only for the sake of convenience. In other words, there is only diplomacy, not legality -- what the other spoiled children do, what motivates them, that is not only relevant, it's the essential marker to guide safe passage.
Once again, I have not said "war." I might have said it before, I would have said it sooner and differently, and had it done quickly, but I remain as ever a dispassionate observer. When I am interested, I am interested because of the fantasies we tell ourselves to muster action, and I am doubly piqued by the fantasies we create to inhibit action.
[quote] Maybe you?re tired of working? Maybe you?d like it better to be locked in a room and be covered in your Hijab. Maybe you?d like it better birthing litters of kids to a husband that bought you like a dog, and that treats you even worse. Maybe that is what you want. Cause if it is, get your ass over there and live it up. You won?t even have to shave your hairy ass.<hr></blockquote>
Uh oh. zMench joins the Scott-brigade, showing his true colors again. Yawn. zMench, if you want to discuss something, do try an actual argument, with some actual facts instead of stamping your feet like a six year old when someone posts something you don't agree with. Try raising it slightly above the level of infantile schoolboy toilet-wall graffiti.
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<strong>Pretty much more anti-US bullshit.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Lambasting someone that criticizes the U.S. simply because they're criticizing the U.S. is pretty much more anti-US bullshit.
<strong>Pretty much more anti-US bullshit.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Pretty much just your opinion...........again.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
" The UN WANTS TO ATTACK IRAQ, the US and UK are the only ones willing to say it publicly ".
Just another amature's opinion trying to bend the facts..................again. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
<strong>Artman @_@ ,
End of the month pms? C'mon, shake it off. You need to be stronger than that.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stronger? I'm fine. Once I type that shit I feel great. I really don't care. I care about myself first, Family and the American people (excluding the mouth breathers) second (especially the military personel) and the rest of the world last.
Politicians, dictators and religious idiots in general can all take a flying leap.
Scott is just a moronic blip on my screen...why bother? Said my piece...wipe pants...move on.
<img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
<strong>By Matsu,
" The UN WANTS TO ATTACK IRAQ, the US and UK are the only ones willing to say it publicly ".
Just another amature's opinion trying to bend the facts..................again. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
In most areas of the Arab world, they'd just as soon turn to blowing each other up if they didn't expend so much energy in their mutual hatred of the US. Which is to say nothing of Europe. France is having a hell of a time rounding up terror suspects and foiling plots. You think Chirac in France, or Schroeder in Germany, is more concerned with the safety of Americans or of Frenchmen and Germans (respectively). If somebody stomps Iraq and makes their job easier without drawing the ire of terrorists to their own countires, yay for them. I know that Chretien is thinking the same thing here in Canada. Whatever else you may think of him think that he is a very shrewd politician.
Does such a scheme actually have a chance of keeping terrorism out of our countries and keeping it focused at the US? Probably not, but in the meantime we save a whole lot of military expense and draw-up a nice scapegoat for ourselves if/when terrorism finally does strike our shores.
EVERYBODY plays politics, not just the Americans.
wow. you're.
hmm, if i posted what i thought of you after that statement i probably would lose posting privledges for life, so i'll leave it alone. i just hope someday you need those military folks around to protect you and you reap what you sow.
Only the French (and the Germans) are playing a double game here. Their Â?oppositionÂ? to the war really needs to be seen as a maneuver vis-Ã*-vis the new EU members. France also hopes that through a common citizenship with Germany sheÂ?ll be able to keep these new EU members subservient to French dominance in Europe. This is inline with France's Empire building ambitions..
Edit:
What do the Germans get out of this? They get to keep Turkey out of the EU with FranceÂ?s help..
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Said my piece...wipe pants...move on.
<img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
I had the impression you Art man had a more sensitive soul.
Upon finding that that persons directly responosible wer Saudis.
A few Aircrasft cariers whoudl have steamed to the gulf. The Saudi ambassador shoudl have had his behind hauled to Washington to "explain" himself. Then been thrown out the country.
The Saudi Government should have been made to pay reparations to each and every family of the victims and well as pay for all property damage and ancillary economic problems.
Upon the Saudi's refusal, there should have been a regine change.
None of this Hunt for Bin-whomever
None of this bombing a country already in the stone age.
None of this Iraq nonsense.
Deal directly with the government of the citizens who performed the acts.
[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: zMench ]</p>
<strong>I had the impression you Art man had a more sensitive soul.</strong><hr></blockquote>
heh. Do...still...maybe. I've been through some rough shit job wise and in life in general the past 3 years...I am not like this in real life. I seem to express more of the rage in me online than in real life...ah...therapy...
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heh. Do...still...maybe. I've been through some rough shit job wise and in life in general the past 3 years...I am not like this in real life. I seem to express more of the rage in me online than in real life...ah...therapy...
heheh
I know what you mean.
<strong>Very well said Matsu.
Only the French (and the Germans) are playing a double game here. Their Â?oppositionÂ? to the war really needs to be seen as a maneuver vis-Ã*-vis the new EU members. France also hopes that through a common citizenship with Germany sheÂ?ll be able to keep these new EU members subservient to French dominance in Europe. This is inline with France's Empire building ambitions..
Edit:
What do the Germans get out of this? They get to keep Turkey out of the EU with FranceÂ?s help..
[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: zMench ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
We have a winner!
"But mommy! Uncle France and Auntie Germany do it! I can too!!!"
No comment
[quote]Why, because I don't tow the anti-American party line here at AI?<hr></blockquote>
Scott, *you* are the anti-American here in A.I. You are supporting an action that's illegal, un- Constitutional, may result in the deaths of thousands of US troops, kill perhaps hundreds of thousands of civilians and turn a larger portion of the world against us. A war and occupation of Arab lands will sow the seeds for new extremist groups (the presence of US troops in Saudi gave rise to al qaida....the presence of US troops in Iraq gives rise to ???). Many senior admirals and generals have warned against executing this war, as has the CIA chief. It's going to cost up to $200 billion a year, trash an already sinking economy, wreck thousands of small businesses (as happened with Gulf War1). Now Bush is talking about the use of tactical atomic weapons against Iraq. Since you seem to drool over everything that issues from Bush's lips, one can only presume you support him on this lunacy also. If he uses nukes, the USA will assume the status of arch pariah by the rest of the world and we would be universally hated for decades. US passport holders anywhere else on planet Earth, look out.
Scott, you are an inverted patriot, mesmerized by your Chicken-hawk "heroes" of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, John Ashcroft, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Spencer Abraham, Don Evans, Karl Rove, Andrew Card, Tom DeLay, Trent Lott, Bob Barr, Mitch McConnell, Dick Armey and Phil Gramm. Other draft dodgers baying for war include Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Newt Gingrich, 9-11 'superhero' Rudy Giuliani, Charlton Heston, Wayne LaPearre, Bill Bennett, Jerry Falwell, George Will, Bill O'Reilly, Tony Snow, Britt Hume, Sean Hannity and others who used their positions of wealth, power, and influence to either dodge the draft or in Bush's case to avoid a dangerous posting. In the case of Bush, he spent the Vietnam War defending Texas skies from Vietnamese invaders, in an Air National Guard billet arranged by his father's political cronies. (That is, when he actually showed up for duty, which, according to records, was rare.)
Perhaps they are feeling guilt, rushing to towards war in some kind of attempt to attone for their ignominious pasts. Scott, if you believe that fighting for your country is a patriotic act, the list above do not qualify as patriots. And from your rantings, neither do you.
This projected war has little to do with "fighting for our country". It will be a fight where the US military has been employed, at enormous US *public* taxpayer expense, to be used as a security and police agency to benefit *privately* held corporate interests. And those are not necessarily in the best interests of the American people.
[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: Samantha Joanne Ollendale ]</p>
Don?t go to war. Leave things as they are. How long before every Arab/Islamic country has these WoMD? So now they have these weapons. How long before the Imams get their rhetoric hot enough that their followers start crashing themselves with these WoMD against the decadent cities of the West? Then what? We give up our stolen riches to the poor? Then what? We all convert to Islam? So now we?re all backwards and poor, and followers of their religion. Is this your American dream come true?
Maybe you?re tired of working? Maybe you?d like it better to be locked in a room and be covered in your Hijab. Maybe you?d like it better birthing litters of kids to a husband that bought you like a dog, and that treats you even worse. Maybe that is what you want. Cause if it is, get your ass over there and live it up. You won?t even have to shave your hairy ass.
[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: zMench ]
[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: zMench ]</p>
Once again, I have not said "war." I might have said it before, I would have said it sooner and differently, and had it done quickly, but I remain as ever a dispassionate observer. When I am interested, I am interested because of the fantasies we tell ourselves to muster action, and I am doubly piqued by the fantasies we create to inhibit action.
You are all wrong.
Uh oh. zMench joins the Scott-brigade, showing his true colors again. Yawn. zMench, if you want to discuss something, do try an actual argument, with some actual facts instead of stamping your feet like a six year old when someone posts something you don't agree with. Try raising it slightly above the level of infantile schoolboy toilet-wall graffiti.
Thanks
[ 01-29-2003: Message edited by: Samantha Joanne Ollendale ]</p>