If the Cult of Mac story is correct, it will work just like everyone has been saying, except it won't be Apple's servers it will be your own Time Capsule. It will set itself up as an Internet server.
But it's impossible to prove a negative. In other words, it's impossible for Apple to prove that they've never been hacked
A reasonable argument. But policies are legally binding. If they actually said they informed customers when they were hacked, they'd be legally required to do so.
Given a lack of published policy, it's reasonable to assume they don't inform you. Especially since Tribble testified about the steps Apple takes when your data gets stolen from iPhone or iPad, and telling the customer wasn't one of the steps.
But it's impossible to prove a negative. In other words, it's impossible for Apple to prove that they've never been hacked
A reasonable argument. But policies are legally binding. If they actually said they informed customers when they were hacked, they'd be legally required to do so.
Given a lack of published policy, it's reasonable to assume they don't inform you. Especially since Tribble testified about the steps Apple takes when your data gets stolen from iPhone or iPad, and telling the customer wasn't one of the steps.
If the Cult of Mac story is correct, it will work just like everyone has been saying, except it won't be Apple's servers it will be your own Time Capsule. It will set itself up as an Internet server.
Or perhaps Apple feels that consumers will happier if they are in control of their own data. Maybe users don’t trust Apple (or any other company) to host their most important files, especially after years of spotty service from MobileMe. Or there could be other reasons, perhaps legal, that are skirted when users are responsible for their own data.
Well, that's one reason I'm less than overwhelmed by iCloud.
But you're still left with slow or expensive syncing and the pointlessness of syncing when everything is already on your device.
Given a lack of published policy, it's reasonable to assume they don't inform you.
Taken at face value, a lack of policy simply means decisions will be made on a case by case basis. I think it's quite cynical to take it to mean there's a negative policy.
The other option is that icloud simply knows what you have and when you select a song it streams it much like Apple TV. You don't upload anything. The problem will be music that you did not buy off iTunes or rip from a CD I'm not sure how it would know if the metadata is messed up or not complete. It would also be hard for those with artists that iTunes does not carry. I'm not sure how Apple will deal with other data, apps, and I don't think movies are part of the deal yet.
Taken at face value, a lack of policy simply means decisions will be made on a case by case basis. I think it's quite cynical to take it to mean there's a negative policy.
Have you ever been told your data was stolen? Do you know anyone who Apple told their data has been stolen? Ever seen an article where Apple said customer data was stolen?
Do you think data on Apple's devices or servers can't be stolen?
Besides, it's not an assumption. Apple admitted to Congress that customer data has been stolen. They went over the steps they take when it's stolen. Telling the customer their data was stolen wasn't one of the steps. Deciding on a case by case basis wasn't one of the steps.
People were demanding that Apple introduce untethered syncing -- get rid of that umbilical cord, we do it for new-born babies, so why not for techtoys.
Now, when there's speculation that Apple may just do that, we get all these negative reponses -- doomsday stuff, really. Get indoors, crawl under the bed, the world as we know it ends today.
Whatever Apple announces today, I know that it will make my comfort-zone even more plush and comfortable.
Have you ever been told your data was stolen? Do you know anyone who Apple told their data has been stolen? Ever seen an article where Apple said customer data was stolen?
I remember one story when hackers were stealing iTunes accounts (just by guessing the passwords). Apple's response was to change iTunes so that every time your account is accessed from a new machine, you need to re-enter the 4-digit credit card security code.
Now, when there's speculation that Apple may just do that, we get all these negative reponses -- doomsday stuff, really. Get indoors, crawl under the bed, the world as we know it ends today.
Not doomsday stuff. Apple will be fine. Most users, I think, will give the new service a try. Some folks will actually like the news service and stick with it.
I just think that for a lot of people, current syncing is a trivial issue. You're connecting the device to the computer to charge the battery anyway. Syncing it at the same time doesn't really add any overhead.
This new way of syncing is more work than current way, not less.
I remember one story when hackers were stealing iTunes accounts (just by guessing the passwords). Apple's response was to change iTunes so that every time your account is accessed from a new machine, you need to re-enter the 4-digit credit card security code.
I just think that for a lot of people, current syncing is a trivial issue. You're connecting the device to the computer to charge the battery anyway. Syncing it at the same time doesn't really add any overhead.
Agreed. Never understood why so many have made this to be a big deal. Just like the notification issue. Simply not a big deal.
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This new way of syncing is more work than current way, not less.
Now this is baseless. You don't even know how the new way works and you already know it is more work. Come on!
People were demanding that Apple introduce untethered syncing -- get rid of that umbilical cord, we do it for new-born babies, so why not for techtoys.
Demanding? Not I. I sync and charge at the same time. Simple.
With wireless (not untethered, BTW) syncing, there will be power drain and so we will need to plug the iPhone/iPod to the computer more often for charging, making wireless syncing not just moot but in fact a drag.
Ok, I am exaggerating but I think iCloud will be more than just about wireless syncing because, frankly, it wouldn't be so exciting otherwise.
Apple also testified to Congress that user data has been stolen multiple times from the iPhone.
That's not the same thing as informing a user their data has been stolen.
Data stolen from individual iPhones? Like someone guessed the password, or jailbroke the OS, something like that? I don't know how Apple would even know it's not the genuine owner until after the fact, when the genuine owner starts complaining.
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I wonder if this could be correct?
http://www.cultofmac.com/what-is-ste...-time-capsules
But it's impossible to prove a negative. In other words, it's impossible for Apple to prove that they've never been hacked
A reasonable argument. But policies are legally binding. If they actually said they informed customers when they were hacked, they'd be legally required to do so.
Given a lack of published policy, it's reasonable to assume they don't inform you. Especially since Tribble testified about the steps Apple takes when your data gets stolen from iPhone or iPad, and telling the customer wasn't one of the steps.
But it's impossible to prove a negative. In other words, it's impossible for Apple to prove that they've never been hacked
A reasonable argument. But policies are legally binding. If they actually said they informed customers when they were hacked, they'd be legally required to do so.
Given a lack of published policy, it's reasonable to assume they don't inform you. Especially since Tribble testified about the steps Apple takes when your data gets stolen from iPhone or iPad, and telling the customer wasn't one of the steps.
If the Cult of Mac story is correct, it will work just like everyone has been saying, except it won't be Apple's servers it will be your own Time Capsule. It will set itself up as an Internet server.
I wonder if this could be correct?
http://www.cultofmac.com/what-is-ste...-time-capsules
Thanks for the link.
Or perhaps Apple feels that consumers will happier if they are in control of their own data. Maybe users don’t trust Apple (or any other company) to host their most important files, especially after years of spotty service from MobileMe. Or there could be other reasons, perhaps legal, that are skirted when users are responsible for their own data.
Well, that's one reason I'm less than overwhelmed by iCloud.
But you're still left with slow or expensive syncing and the pointlessness of syncing when everything is already on your device.
Given a lack of published policy, it's reasonable to assume they don't inform you.
Taken at face value, a lack of policy simply means decisions will be made on a case by case basis. I think it's quite cynical to take it to mean there's a negative policy.
But you're still left with slow or expensive syncing and the pointlessness of syncing when everything is already on your device.
I think the pointlessness or otherwise will depend on the details, let's wait and see. Central file store as such is not inherently pointless.
Taken at face value, a lack of policy simply means decisions will be made on a case by case basis. I think it's quite cynical to take it to mean there's a negative policy.
Have you ever been told your data was stolen? Do you know anyone who Apple told their data has been stolen? Ever seen an article where Apple said customer data was stolen?
Do you think data on Apple's devices or servers can't be stolen?
Besides, it's not an assumption. Apple admitted to Congress that customer data has been stolen. They went over the steps they take when it's stolen. Telling the customer their data was stolen wasn't one of the steps. Deciding on a case by case basis wasn't one of the steps.
It is often very difficult and sometimes impossible to prove a negative. But you cannot categorically say it is impossible to prove a negative.
Do you think data on Apple's devices or servers can't be stolen?
That will be the one more thing announcement - your data have been stolen.
But you cannot categorically say it is impossible to prove a negative.
Also not categorically impossible for Apple to publish their policy on data theft. And yet they don't.
That will be the one more thing announcement - your data have been stolen.
Now, when there's speculation that Apple may just do that, we get all these negative reponses -- doomsday stuff, really. Get indoors, crawl under the bed, the world as we know it ends today.
Whatever Apple announces today, I know that it will make my comfort-zone even more plush and comfortable.
Have you ever been told your data was stolen? Do you know anyone who Apple told their data has been stolen? Ever seen an article where Apple said customer data was stolen?
I remember one story when hackers were stealing iTunes accounts (just by guessing the passwords). Apple's response was to change iTunes so that every time your account is accessed from a new machine, you need to re-enter the 4-digit credit card security code.
Edit: here it is http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/06/a...ms-said-fraud/
Now, when there's speculation that Apple may just do that, we get all these negative reponses -- doomsday stuff, really. Get indoors, crawl under the bed, the world as we know it ends today.
Not doomsday stuff. Apple will be fine. Most users, I think, will give the new service a try. Some folks will actually like the news service and stick with it.
I just think that for a lot of people, current syncing is a trivial issue. You're connecting the device to the computer to charge the battery anyway. Syncing it at the same time doesn't really add any overhead.
This new way of syncing is more work than current way, not less.
I remember one story when hackers were stealing iTunes accounts (just by guessing the passwords). Apple's response was to change iTunes so that every time your account is accessed from a new machine, you need to re-enter the 4-digit credit card security code.
Edit: here it is http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/06/a...ms-said-fraud/
Apple also testified to Congress that user data has been stolen multiple times from the iPhone.
That's not the same thing as informing a user their data has been stolen.
I just think that for a lot of people, current syncing is a trivial issue. You're connecting the device to the computer to charge the battery anyway. Syncing it at the same time doesn't really add any overhead.
Agreed. Never understood why so many have made this to be a big deal. Just like the notification issue. Simply not a big deal.
This new way of syncing is more work than current way, not less.
Now this is baseless. You don't even know how the new way works and you already know it is more work. Come on!
Also not categorically impossible for Apple to publish their policy on data theft. And yet they don't.
That's because hackers stole their policy.
People were demanding that Apple introduce untethered syncing -- get rid of that umbilical cord, we do it for new-born babies, so why not for techtoys.
Demanding? Not I. I sync and charge at the same time. Simple.
With wireless (not untethered, BTW) syncing, there will be power drain and so we will need to plug the iPhone/iPod to the computer more often for charging, making wireless syncing not just moot but in fact a drag.
Ok, I am exaggerating but I think iCloud will be more than just about wireless syncing because, frankly, it wouldn't be so exciting otherwise.
Apple also testified to Congress that user data has been stolen multiple times from the iPhone.
That's not the same thing as informing a user their data has been stolen.
Data stolen from individual iPhones? Like someone guessed the password, or jailbroke the OS, something like that? I don't know how Apple would even know it's not the genuine owner until after the fact, when the genuine owner starts complaining.
I still hanker after the days of the old iTunes, before it was made into an unwieldy mess.