Space Shuttle Columbia Explodes over Texas

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  • Reply 121 of 277
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Sure the space program should go on but maybe they should reconsider if it's worth it to have a shuttle program.



    Not because it's dangerous but because it cost so friggen much. The shuttle is a rather inefficient way of getting people up and down.



    Maybe the money could be better spent? How many RC cars could we have sent to Mars with the cost of one shuttle?
  • Reply 122 of 277
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    I heard a space shuttle columbia joke this afternoon. It was pretty funny. However, I'm sure some of you think it is too soon so I will refrain from posting it in this thread. PM me if you want to hear it.
  • Reply 123 of 277
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
    [quote]Originally posted by Scott:

    <strong>Sure the space program should go on but maybe they should reconsider if it's worth it to have a shuttle program.



    Not because it's dangerous but because it cost so friggen much. The shuttle is a rather inefficient way of getting people up and down.



    Maybe the money could be better spent? How many RC cars could we have sent to Mars with the cost of one shuttle?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Now you're talking about something I know quite a bit about.



    If we are to be serious about space flight we need the space station. For that we need something like the shuttle.



    Really we should have built the space station before going to the moon. But, that wasn't as dramatic. Also there was the Soviets and at that time it was important to beat them as a political statement for the cold war.



    [ 02-02-2003: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
  • Reply 124 of 277
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    [quote]Originally posted by jimmac:

    <strong>



    Now your talking about something I know quite a bit about.



    If we are to be serious about space flight we need the space station. For that we need something like the shuttle.



    Really we should have built the space station before going to the moon. But, that was not as dramatic. Also there was the Soviets and at that time it was important to beat them for the cold war.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Carbon nanotubes are the way to go. Once the technology is developed enough, an elevator with one end latched to an aircraft carrier in the pacific ocean and the other end attatched to a satellite or space station in geosynchronous orbit would be possible. Then all that is needed is electricity to move objects into orbit.



    [ 02-02-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</p>
  • Reply 125 of 277
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    This is so sad. My symphaties to the families of the astronauts.
  • Reply 126 of 277
    jimmacjimmac Posts: 11,898member
    [quote]Originally posted by BR:

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    Carbon nanotubes are the way to go. Once the technology is developed enough, an elevator with one end latched to an aircraft carrier in the pacific ocean and the other end attatched to a satellite or space station in geosynchronous orbit would be possible. Then all that is needed is electricity to move objects into orbit.



    [ 02-02-2003: Message edited by: BR ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    While this is ultimately true we need a reuseable space craft to build the space station in the first place. Also if something happens to the elevator they need a way down.



    Just to make it clear this Maglift elevator or whatever approach they use would only work for earth orbit missions. Missions to other planets require a space craft. Besides we still need the experience. In order to learn to swim you have to get your feet wet.



    [ 02-02-2003: Message edited by: jimmac ]</p>
  • Reply 127 of 277
    brbr Posts: 8,395member
    [quote]Originally posted by jimmac:

    <strong>



    While this is ultimately true we need a reuseable space craft to build the space station in the first place. Also if something happens to the elevator they need a way down.



    Just to make it clear this Maglift elevator or whatever approach they use would only work for earth orbit missions. Missions to other planets require a space craft. Besides we still need the experience. In order to learn to swim you have to get your feet wet.



    [ 02-02-2003: Message edited by: jimmac ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Of course...but once the elevator is built, all ships could be assembled in space...
  • Reply 128 of 277
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by BR:

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    Of course...but once the elevator is built, all ships could be assembled in space...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    God, I don't think I could stand a couple hundred miles of elevator music.
  • Reply 129 of 277
    they should have known the wing was potentially damaged from the launch and had them eject shortly after launch <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
  • Reply 130 of 277
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    'eject after launch' ? what ? you can't eject from a space shuttle. you're in a trap.
  • Reply 131 of 277
    powerdocpowerdoc Posts: 8,123member
    Just listen this bad new on the radio. Contrary what we think, Space is still a dangerous adventure. Since the beginning of man in space, 18 people died in space. That's a lot, and not that much.
  • Reply 132 of 277
    rodukroduk Posts: 706member
    [quote]Originally posted by burningwheel:

    <strong>they should have known the wing was potentially damaged from the launch and had them eject shortly after launch <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Sadly, even if they knew for certain the wing was damaged and likely to cause a disaster, I'm not sure anything could have been done about it.



    Once launched, I think they were stuck in the shuttle until it reached orbit. Once in orbit, even if they could perform a space walk, I'm not sure they'd have the necessary tools or parts to perform a repair.



    I guess they would have had to of gone up and come down regardless, even if it mean't certain disaster. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
  • Reply 133 of 277
    [quote]Originally posted by jimmac:

    <strong>

    Now you're talking about something I know quite a bit about.



    If we are to be serious about space flight we need the space station. For that we need something like the shuttle.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I read once that the argument for the shuttle was that it was reusable. The flaw in this was that it costs more to refit a shuttle for its next mission than it does to build a one-shot rocket.



    Of course if they had went with the disposable rocket technology then instead of flying in a decades-old shuttle the astronauts would have been in a brand new nth generation rocket based on decades of technological improvements.



    The question then is whether the inevitable teething problems would have cost more lives than using the tried and tested old technology.
  • Reply 134 of 277
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    a few notes.



    1. they have lost tiles before on launch, it's never been a problem.



    2. they aren't sure that's what the problem was this time



    3. they weren't equipped for a spacewalk anyway



    4. even if they were, you can't repair those tiles



    it was a situation where there was nothing that could be done about it. it just happened not to go well this time.
  • Reply 135 of 277
    scottibscottib Posts: 381member
    [quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:

    <strong>Just listen this bad new on the radio. Contrary what we think, Space is still a dangerous adventure. Since the beginning of man in space, 18 people died in space. That's a lot, and not that much.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Considering what's entailed in sending humans to space and back again, from when it began (late 50s--early 60s), and with what technology (I read that a current Mr. Coffee has more computing power than Apollo 11--I may be wrong), it's amazing that more fatalities haven't occured.
  • Reply 136 of 277
    rodukroduk Posts: 706member
    [quote]Originally posted by scottiB:

    <strong>



    Considering what's entailed in sending humans to space and back again, from when it began (late 50s--early 60s), and with what technology (I read that a current Mr. Coffee has more computing power than Apollo 11--I may be wrong), it's amazing that more fatalities haven't occured.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    These days with the technology we have, I wonder whether its necessary to send humans into space at all. Why not use unmanned craft? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
  • Reply 137 of 277
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    because a robot could not have done the experiments the astronauts on the shuttle did.
  • Reply 138 of 277
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:

    <strong>Just listen this bad new on the radio. Contrary what we think, Space is still a dangerous adventure. Since the beginning of man in space, 18 people died in space. That's a lot, and not that much.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Has anybody actually died in "space?" I wonder if NASA will count them as lost in space. 39 miles is just above the stratosphere, but well below the exosphere (?)
  • Reply 139 of 277
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    This was in Florida Today:

  • Reply 140 of 277
    Why didnt the shuttle dock with the space station and then they could potentially repair the shuttle from there? Maybe just get into the space station and then release the shuttle as space junk. The astronauts could have been picked up later on another mission.
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