Apple, Nokia resolve patent dispute with license agreement

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  • Reply 101 of 134
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Splash-reverse View Post


    This should be the first comment after the original post to put off trolls and misconceptions.



    By definition, trolls aren't put off by facts, because that's not what they're interested in.
  • Reply 102 of 134
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    It's pretty clever when you think about what has just occurred. Apple paid a small price to jack with the green bots.



    For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.
  • Reply 103 of 134
    addaboxaddabox Posts: 12,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    It's pretty clever when you think about what has just occurred. Apple paid a small price to jack with the green bots.



    For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.



    So once every Android manufacturer is paying MS for every phone and Nokia for every phone (and quite possible Oracle for every copy of the OS) I wonder what that does to the economics?



    HTC will probably be OK, they seem to be emerging as the preeminent Android handset partner. Samsung has deep pockets, although their profitability seems to be a bit variable. But Motorola? LG? Sony Ericsson? They can't turn much of a profit to save their lives, and for those guys it wouldn't take much to turn the whole Android business into a money pit. Sure, they sell a lot of phones, but apparently not at a profit. How close to the edge are they? Would a Nokia tax be the tipping point?



    For the record, I actually think it would do the Android market good to have a few strong handset partners making far fewer but higher quality handsets. Less fragmentation, more focus, more coherent story. As things are going, "Android" is very soon going to lose it's magic powers of consumer interest, and sticking that little green guy on all your ads is going to start seeming tired. It's merely ubiquitous.
  • Reply 104 of 134
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    It's pretty clever when you think about what has just occurred. Apple paid a small price to jack with the green bots.



    For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.



    And why green bots have to pay to Nokia?
  • Reply 105 of 134
    pendergastpendergast Posts: 1,358member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RichL View Post


    A phone that can't make phone calls or connect to a wireless network isn't going to sell very well.



    Unless it's the iPhone 4.



    ...





    Wow, tough crowd.
  • Reply 106 of 134
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post


    And why green bots have to pay to Nokia?



    For the same reason Apple had to. Is Android not an iPhone replica?



    Just who do you think Elop is referring to when he says Nokia will now focus on other licensee opportunities in the communications market?



    And the other guys' margins are a lot slimmer... meaning they can't afford to pay royalties. If they crash and burn, who benefits?



    Yep.
  • Reply 107 of 134
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    For the same reason Apple had to. Is Android not an iPhone replica?



    They are phones and those companies have been making phones way before Apple.



    Do you know the patents implied on the lawsuit? If no, look for them. They doesn't have to do with iOS but with GSM and other phone technologies, licensed by all the other phone manufacturers.
  • Reply 108 of 134
    postulantpostulant Posts: 1,272member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post


    They are phones and those companies have been making phones way before Apple.



    Do you know the patents implied on the lawsuit? If no, look for them. They doesn't have to do with iOS but with GSM and other phone technologies, licensed by all the other phone manufacturers.



    There are 46 patents that cover everything from multitasking(a feature of iOS), to bluetooth and call quality.
  • Reply 109 of 134
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Postulant View Post


    There are 46 patents that cover everything from multitasking(a feature of iOS), to bluetooth and call quality.



    Nop, the "essential" patents where ten and no one about OS things
  • Reply 110 of 134
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
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    Originally Posted by melgross View Post




    Nokia is a so saying that licensing fees make up a fair portion of the is profits, while Apple is saying that that case isn't true for them. So if Nokia was trying to force Apple to cross license, in addition to asking for higher licensing fees, then it's no wonder they couldn't come to terms.



    Good old Melgross, nice to see you are still as predictable as ever. Hope you don't hurt your neck with your backtracking...
  • Reply 111 of 134
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by _Hawkeye_ View Post


    That should read: ?The Finnish handset maker is currently undergoing a transitional phase from its Symbian platform to the grave.?



    And that wisdom is based on..?



    A. Dream

    B. Drugs inducted hallucinations

    C. Michael Jackson's "Thriler"

    D. Romero classic zombie movies

    F. Some reasoning - in that case, please provide.
  • Reply 112 of 134
    jeffdmjeffdm Posts: 12,951member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scaramanga89 View Post


    They are having to eat it.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scaramanga89 View Post


    eating it.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scaramanga89 View Post


    eat it they have my son.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Scaramanga89 View Post


    Eating it doesn't require a good argument. You just eat it. Simple.



    What is with your disturbed oral fixation?
  • Reply 113 of 134
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stuffe View Post


    The below taken from the original article. Apple want to license the Nokia patents on a fair and reasonable non-discrimitary basis, Nokia try to gouge a couple of percent royalty in iPhones as part of the terms:



    "The complaint alleges that these patents are essential to one or more of the GSM, UMTS and 802.11 wireless communication standards, and that the Company has the right to license these patents from plaintiff on fair, reasonable, and non-descriminatory ("FRAND") terms and conditions," Apple said. "Plaintiff seeks unspecified FRAND compensation and other relief. The Company's response to the complaint is not yet due. The Company intends to defend the case vigorously."



    Analyst Gene Munster with Piper Jaffray said he believes that Nokia seeks a 1 percent to 2 percent royalty on every iPhone sold, which would amount to $6 to $12 per phone. Nokia's patents are related to GSM, 3G and Wi-Fi, and cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption. Nokia has alleged that all iPhone models released since 2007 infringe on these patents



    Did Apple prove that Nokia is asking less from other manufacturers?
  • Reply 114 of 134
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post


    It's wll know for whom?



    Can you provide thos agreements and the extortion Nokia tried to do to Apple? Thanks



    C'mon, man, it is well known.
  • Reply 115 of 134
    nikon133nikon133 Posts: 2,600member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by addabox View Post


    By definition, trolls aren't put off by facts, because that's not what they're interested in.



    True, that. Some trolls actually think Apple won this one. Can you believe it?
  • Reply 116 of 134
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nikon133 View Post


    C'mon, man, it is well known.



    Because if enough people say something it must be true, right?
  • Reply 117 of 134
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Hiro View Post


    Yes it was. You continue your aggressively self interested flavor of word parsing.



    Not it wasn't. he was just trying to create noise (just like you are now) to hide from fact that he was wrong to start with.
  • Reply 118 of 134
    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jfanning View Post


    Not it wasn't. he was just trying to create noise (just like you are now) to hide from fact that he was wrong to start with.



    yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.



    As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.
  • Reply 119 of 134
    jfanningjfanning Posts: 3,398member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.



    10 posts? since anyone can see the history, why don't you start telling the truth? And actually most people don't care about your post full stop.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post


    As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.



    You mean like you are here to "troll" about Apple?



    Everyone remember the Appleinsider rules, if you disagree with Apple, you are a troll, if you disagree with anyone on this site, you are a troll.
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