It's pretty clever when you think about what has just occurred. Apple paid a small price to jack with the green bots.
For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.
So once every Android manufacturer is paying MS for every phone and Nokia for every phone (and quite possible Oracle for every copy of the OS) I wonder what that does to the economics?
HTC will probably be OK, they seem to be emerging as the preeminent Android handset partner. Samsung has deep pockets, although their profitability seems to be a bit variable. But Motorola? LG? Sony Ericsson? They can't turn much of a profit to save their lives, and for those guys it wouldn't take much to turn the whole Android business into a money pit. Sure, they sell a lot of phones, but apparently not at a profit. How close to the edge are they? Would a Nokia tax be the tipping point?
For the record, I actually think it would do the Android market good to have a few strong handset partners making far fewer but higher quality handsets. Less fragmentation, more focus, more coherent story. As things are going, "Android" is very soon going to lose it's magic powers of consumer interest, and sticking that little green guy on all your ads is going to start seeming tired. It's merely ubiquitous.
For the same reason Apple had to. Is Android not an iPhone replica?
They are phones and those companies have been making phones way before Apple.
Do you know the patents implied on the lawsuit? If no, look for them. They doesn't have to do with iOS but with GSM and other phone technologies, licensed by all the other phone manufacturers.
They are phones and those companies have been making phones way before Apple.
Do you know the patents implied on the lawsuit? If no, look for them. They doesn't have to do with iOS but with GSM and other phone technologies, licensed by all the other phone manufacturers.
There are 46 patents that cover everything from multitasking(a feature of iOS), to bluetooth and call quality.
Nokia is a so saying that licensing fees make up a fair portion of the is profits, while Apple is saying that that case isn't true for them. So if Nokia was trying to force Apple to cross license, in addition to asking for higher licensing fees, then it's no wonder they couldn't come to terms.
Good old Melgross, nice to see you are still as predictable as ever. Hope you don't hurt your neck with your backtracking...
The below taken from the original article. Apple want to license the Nokia patents on a fair and reasonable non-discrimitary basis, Nokia try to gouge a couple of percent royalty in iPhones as part of the terms:
"The complaint alleges that these patents are essential to one or more of the GSM, UMTS and 802.11 wireless communication standards, and that the Company has the right to license these patents from plaintiff on fair, reasonable, and non-descriminatory ("FRAND") terms and conditions," Apple said. "Plaintiff seeks unspecified FRAND compensation and other relief. The Company's response to the complaint is not yet due. The Company intends to defend the case vigorously."
Analyst Gene Munster with Piper Jaffray said he believes that Nokia seeks a 1 percent to 2 percent royalty on every iPhone sold, which would amount to $6 to $12 per phone. Nokia's patents are related to GSM, 3G and Wi-Fi, and cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption. Nokia has alleged that all iPhone models released since 2007 infringe on these patents
Did Apple prove that Nokia is asking less from other manufacturers?
Not it wasn't. he was just trying to create noise (just like you are now) to hide from fact that he was wrong to start with.
yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.
As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.
yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.
10 posts? since anyone can see the history, why don't you start telling the truth? And actually most people don't care about your post full stop.
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Originally Posted by NasserAE
As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.
You mean like you are here to "troll" about Apple?
Everyone remember the Appleinsider rules, if you disagree with Apple, you are a troll, if you disagree with anyone on this site, you are a troll.
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This should be the first comment after the original post to put off trolls and misconceptions.
By definition, trolls aren't put off by facts, because that's not what they're interested in.
For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.
It's pretty clever when you think about what has just occurred. Apple paid a small price to jack with the green bots.
For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.
So once every Android manufacturer is paying MS for every phone and Nokia for every phone (and quite possible Oracle for every copy of the OS) I wonder what that does to the economics?
HTC will probably be OK, they seem to be emerging as the preeminent Android handset partner. Samsung has deep pockets, although their profitability seems to be a bit variable. But Motorola? LG? Sony Ericsson? They can't turn much of a profit to save their lives, and for those guys it wouldn't take much to turn the whole Android business into a money pit. Sure, they sell a lot of phones, but apparently not at a profit. How close to the edge are they? Would a Nokia tax be the tipping point?
For the record, I actually think it would do the Android market good to have a few strong handset partners making far fewer but higher quality handsets. Less fragmentation, more focus, more coherent story. As things are going, "Android" is very soon going to lose it's magic powers of consumer interest, and sticking that little green guy on all your ads is going to start seeming tired. It's merely ubiquitous.
It's pretty clever when you think about what has just occurred. Apple paid a small price to jack with the green bots.
For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.
And why green bots have to pay to Nokia?
A phone that can't make phone calls or connect to a wireless network isn't going to sell very well.
Unless it's the iPhone 4.
...
Wow, tough crowd.
And why green bots have to pay to Nokia?
For the same reason Apple had to. Is Android not an iPhone replica?
Just who do you think Elop is referring to when he says Nokia will now focus on other licensee opportunities in the communications market?
And the other guys' margins are a lot slimmer... meaning they can't afford to pay royalties. If they crash and burn, who benefits?
Yep.
For the same reason Apple had to. Is Android not an iPhone replica?
They are phones and those companies have been making phones way before Apple.
Do you know the patents implied on the lawsuit? If no, look for them. They doesn't have to do with iOS but with GSM and other phone technologies, licensed by all the other phone manufacturers.
They are phones and those companies have been making phones way before Apple.
Do you know the patents implied on the lawsuit? If no, look for them. They doesn't have to do with iOS but with GSM and other phone technologies, licensed by all the other phone manufacturers.
There are 46 patents that cover everything from multitasking(a feature of iOS), to bluetooth and call quality.
There are 46 patents that cover everything from multitasking(a feature of iOS), to bluetooth and call quality.
Nop, the "essential" patents where ten and no one about OS things
Nokia is a so saying that licensing fees make up a fair portion of the is profits, while Apple is saying that that case isn't true for them. So if Nokia was trying to force Apple to cross license, in addition to asking for higher licensing fees, then it's no wonder they couldn't come to terms.
Good old Melgross, nice to see you are still as predictable as ever. Hope you don't hurt your neck with your backtracking...
That should read: ?The Finnish handset maker is currently undergoing a transitional phase from its Symbian platform to the grave.?
And that wisdom is based on..?
A. Dream
B. Drugs inducted hallucinations
C. Michael Jackson's "Thriler"
D. Romero classic zombie movies
F. Some reasoning - in that case, please provide.
They are having to eat it.
eating it.
eat it they have my son.
Eating it doesn't require a good argument. You just eat it. Simple.
What is with your disturbed oral fixation?
The below taken from the original article. Apple want to license the Nokia patents on a fair and reasonable non-discrimitary basis, Nokia try to gouge a couple of percent royalty in iPhones as part of the terms:
"The complaint alleges that these patents are essential to one or more of the GSM, UMTS and 802.11 wireless communication standards, and that the Company has the right to license these patents from plaintiff on fair, reasonable, and non-descriminatory ("FRAND") terms and conditions," Apple said. "Plaintiff seeks unspecified FRAND compensation and other relief. The Company's response to the complaint is not yet due. The Company intends to defend the case vigorously."
Analyst Gene Munster with Piper Jaffray said he believes that Nokia seeks a 1 percent to 2 percent royalty on every iPhone sold, which would amount to $6 to $12 per phone. Nokia's patents are related to GSM, 3G and Wi-Fi, and cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption. Nokia has alleged that all iPhone models released since 2007 infringe on these patents
Did Apple prove that Nokia is asking less from other manufacturers?
It's wll know for whom?
Can you provide thos agreements and the extortion Nokia tried to do to Apple? Thanks
C'mon, man, it is well known.
By definition, trolls aren't put off by facts, because that's not what they're interested in.
True, that. Some trolls actually think Apple won this one. Can you believe it?
C'mon, man, it is well known.
Because if enough people say something it must be true, right?
Yes it was. You continue your aggressively self interested flavor of word parsing.
Not it wasn't. he was just trying to create noise (just like you are now) to hide from fact that he was wrong to start with.
Not it wasn't. he was just trying to create noise (just like you are now) to hide from fact that he was wrong to start with.
yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.
As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.
yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.
10 posts? since anyone can see the history, why don't you start telling the truth? And actually most people don't care about your post full stop.
As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.
You mean like you are here to "troll" about Apple?
Everyone remember the Appleinsider rules, if you disagree with Apple, you are a troll, if you disagree with anyone on this site, you are a troll.