I remember before Jobs introduced iPad 2 in March, Samsung was going to release a Galaxy tablet computer. After iPad 2 is shown to the world, a Samsung exec said they will withdraw the releasing and will redesign it. Galaxy Tab 10.1 is a result of this. So it is obvious Samsung redesigned it by just copying the iPad 2.
If only lawyers and judges could put things so succinctly. Well done.
I remember before Jobs introduced iPad 2 in March, Samsung was going to release a Galaxy tablet computer. After iPad 2 is shown to the world, a Samsung exec said they will withdraw the releasing and will redesign it. Galaxy Tab 10.1 is a result of this. So it is obvious Samsung redesigned it by just copying the iPad 2.
The "redesign" was planned even before the iPad 2 was announced, just for a later release.
They just had to push the release forward, after Apple announced their iPad 2.
Even if you copy, a redesign should take much longer than those 3 weeks it took Samsung to do so.
It's obvious that it's design is based on the iPad, but to be honest, it's NOT based on the iPad 2.
It's obvious that it's design is based on the iPad, but to be honest, it's NOT based on the iPad 2.
Same with the phones which more closely resemble the original iPhone and the 3G/3GS than they do the iPhone 4. Interestingly this may be a motivation for Apple to keep making the 3GS, to maximize Samsung's potential liability.
there are only so many ways to display icons. grid like on a rectangular screen. look at palm os (not the new webOS).
It's not that they are arranged in a grid, it's the fact that they are matted with a colored rectangular background which clearly mimics the iPhone's rectangular icons. This is why Apple is claiming trade dress infringement.
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as for the music icon, 1 icon? is that the basis of this?
There is such a thing as a design knockoff, which is a deliberate attempt to copy a successful design. Ever seen a Rolex or Tag watch knockoff from China, sold for a fraction of the cost of the real thing? It's designed to look like a real Rolex or Tag. Just because it doesn't say "Rolex" or "Tag Heuer" doesn't excuse it.
So, you can either defend Samsung by denying that they've copied Apple's design, or you can agree with Apple, but defend Samsung's right to shamelessly copy Apple.
I generally agree with a lot of your posts. Not this one tho. Comparing products intended to deceive, exact duplicates including logos, is not at all like making a product that has a passing resemblance to another. Hyundai made no bones about trying to copy the essence of the Lexus RX with their Vera Cruz. But they wanted to do so while improving some features and offering it at a lower price.
To a lesser degree, the iPod exists only because of the Sony Walkman. Steve Jobs was reportedly " fascinated by it." It was Sony who blazed the trail, while Apple came in on their coat-tails. But Sony never sued, tho it's likely there was some patent infringment that could have been claimed if they had wanted to go that direction.
Sammy's not trying to make a purchaser of their Tab or Galaxy S think they bought an iPad or iPhone. And no one here would be fooled into thinking they had. Nor do they know anyone else who would be similarly fooled. And I may be naive, but I do believe Samsung is convinced they can produce a better smartphone than Apple can, at least as regards hardware and features. I'm sure they know that matching the entire 'Apple experience" isn't realistic any time in the near future.
Without a "next big thing" product at the ready, Apple is getting increasingly aggressive in protecting their mobile market share IMHO. I believe they may represent a big danger to innovation in smartphones and tablets in the very near future. Personally I look for them to use the courts more and more, rather than new features and products, to keep any competition at bay. I hope I'm proven wrong.
Who knew that their lack of originality would be the real "Samsung Killer"!
That company cannot survive Apple's lawsuit. Buh Bye, Samsung!
This will go just like the Nokia lawsuit. Apple will end up loosing and paying is that simple. If they win they'll have a hard time with LG (Prada) and HTC(TouchFlow/SenseUI which existed way before iOS.). I came here months ago I said that Apple will never win the Nokia case, the best they could do is settle and pay big bucks and that's what they did even if people here insulted me. So just wait and see.
if any of you have ever designed something, say a website or a log, you would understand what is involved in creating something not only distinctive but in the case of a user interface the amount of hard work it takes to be successful. There was not GUI like the iPhone before the iPhone. Tablets looked nothing like the iPad, they had pens were clunky and nobody bought them. Apple spends years developing hardware, software and an entire eco system around these products only to have copy cat companies rush out a poor imitation that can confuse the consumer and make profits for such a company without the huge amount of R&D spending. At least Microsoft has given it a shop with the Win7 phone to show it is possible to invent a product that is not a complete rip off of an Apple product. If you don't agree with this than you are probably the same type of person that shops on Canal St in NYC looking for counterfeit Prada hand bags.
I'd take that pen back any day. Using a tablet and phone with your fingers is like eating with your hands. Anyways they're going to loose just like they did with Nokia, it takes more than than some icons to get a cell phone to work and Samsung just like Nokia have hundreds of patents on how it works inside they were doing phones long before Apple. They'll take the new designs from Apple and looks at them in the inside and counter sue based on that and funny enough you can rearrange some icons and still have a phone but you cant' rip-off the hardware and still have a phone. Hardware R/D is way more expensive than software. Ask Apple that gets most of its components from Samsung .
It part of a broader trend of Asian cultures adopting Western ideas, fashion, and culture. Samsung should also copy "Designed by Apple in California" on their mobile products
Western ideas??? Most of these engineers are Asian what the H are you talking about. High tech companies are very different than BK and KFC it takes a different kind of worker.
And several dozen of them don't include the iPhone's way.
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as for the music icon, 1 icon? is that the basis of this?
Oh, and phone. And everything else outlined in the suit.
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Western ideas??? Most of these engineers are Asian what the H are you talking about. High tech companies are very different than BK and KFC it takes a different kind of worker.
If that's not the most racist, classist thing I've ever heard, I don't know what is.
The "redesign" was planned even before the iPad 2 was announced, just for a later release.
They just had to push the release forward, after Apple announced their iPad 2.
Even if you copy, a redesign should take much longer than those 3 weeks it took Samsung to do so.
It's obvious that it's design is based on the iPad, but to be honest, it's NOT based on the iPad 2.
Good point. Samsung designed Galaxy Tab following iPad. The redesign is essentially changing the spec to match or beat iPad2. What I heard is the redesigned Galaxy Tab is even thinner than iPad2.
I have a chance to play with the Galaxy Tab today. It looks very like the iPad.
Good point. Samsung designed Galaxy Tab following iPad. The redesign is essentially changing the spec to match or beat iPad2. What I heard is the redesigned Galaxy Tab is even thinner than iPad2.
The 10.1? - not anymore its not. They couldn't get enough of the super-thin displays, so while a few review models might be thinner than the ipad-2, the retail units people buy will mostly be thicker. That's always assuming that they sell any retail units.
Maybe not in the USA, but in South Korea, I see at least as many if not more people with a Tab than an iPad. A lot of people hate/distrust Samsung, but they buy anyway as it is a point of pride. Think of it, a country with a little more than 1/3 the population of Japan has at least two companies/conglomerates that are in the top 40 economies in the world and in the top ten largest conglomerates.
Samsung represents a lot to Koreans. Choice, however, isn't one.
Samsung are also larger than many countries in the world. So what if they hold patents? Look at their history, though. They just buy tech from other companies. They do invent some stuff, but by and large, they are copycats no matter what they do.
Again (and no one seems to remember this), Samsung are a grocery company first, a sugar importer second, and an electronics company last.
I think the Android copycats' strategy is to make products as close to Apple as possible. Then they can compete with Apple in terms of price and/or specs. Apple's strategy is then force the Android copycats to develop their own looks and features. This way the consumers can easily distinguish between Apple and Android copycats. After the Android copycats developed a unique look then Apple can keep advancing its technology. By then it will become very difficult to keep copy Apple. This was the strategy of Apple in Macintosh. After Jobs signed an agreement with Gates around 1997 to terminate the law suit, Windows stopped copying Macs.
I think the Android copycats' strategy is to make products as close to Apple as possible. Then they can compete with Apple in terms of price and/or specs. Apple's strategy is then force the Android copycats to develop their own looks and features. This way the consumers can easily distinguish between Apple and Android copycats.
If you can honestly tell me that you can and will confuse an Epic 4G, replenish, or sidekick for an Iphone... you should NOT be allowed to even hold a smartphone.
Android is in the midst of trying to win a price war with Apple, so that is correct.
HOWEVER, to say that Android needs to compete on a technical level is far beyond backwards.
Anything that has 2nd generation 800mhz-1ghz Snapdragon, or a 1ghz Hummingbird Processor, can out do the IP4 on a technical level.
On the dual core front, the upcoming Dual-core A15 based, 28nm "Krait" CPU's will pretty much steam roll anything else.
NVIDIA has barely done much other than jack up the power on their chips, and the problems are evident enough.
Apple should've anticipated rivals learning from their innovative designs, bottom line.
Happens in any market where there's a first mover (Apple) and competitors vying for market share.
So Apple might have pioneered this field. So Apple might have done all the user experience testing. So what? It doesn't mean Apple should get upset about other companies learning from their innovations.
Say you're an executive at Samsung. When you look at an iPhone, do you say, "Hmm this design is exceptional, and consumers seem to like it. But screw it, let's just put our heads in the sand, pay no attention to what's actually working, and design something in the dark."
????
"Yea sign me up! Because we're badasses first, money comes second."
GET REAL.
For Apple's sake, I hope these lawsuits are a gentleman's game. I hope it's a harmless case of Apple's legal team having the opportunity to sue, and going for it because the ROI looks positive. I hope it's nothing more than that, and I really hope that Apple realizes similar-looking and similar-functioning Android phones will always be there, and probably always be cheaper than Apple devices.
How can they blame their competitors for their actions, when surely Apple would do the same thing?
Jobs is the one who positioned Apple as the premium innovator in these markets, so he better be worrying more about continued innovation than competitors (arguably) copying his ideas. I hope these suits are not a sign that Apple feels threatened by Android devices, because there's nothing wrong with what Samsung is doing, and even if Samsung goes down, another company will rise to take its place.
Are these lawsuits a sign that Apple thinks it will be devoured by the Android swarm?
[QUOTE=Drop the ball;1885326]Apple should've anticipated rivals learning from their innovative designs, bottom line.
Happens in any market where there's a first mover (Apple) and competitors vying for market share.
How can they blame their competitors for their actions, when surely Apple would do the same thing?
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They have done the same thing. The product that rescued Apple was the iPod, which came to fruition because of an enamored Steve Jobs following in Sony's footsteps. If Sony had it all to do over again I don't know if they'd have invited him behind the scenes. He obviously stole their idea.
If you can honestly tell me that you can and will confuse an Epic 4G, replenish, or sidekick for an Iphone... you should NOT be allowed to even hold a smartphone.
Android is in the midst of trying to win a price war with Apple, so that is correct.
HOWEVER, to say that Android needs to compete on a technical level is far beyond backwards.
Anything that has 2nd generation 800mhz-1ghz Snapdragon, or a 1ghz Hummingbird Processor, can out do the IP4 on a technical level.
On the dual core front, the upcoming Dual-core A15 based, 28nm "Krait" CPU's will pretty much steam roll anything else.
NVIDIA has barely done much other than jack up the power on their chips, and the problems are evident enough.
I think you do not know what a smartphone is to be used for. Verizon ads want people to believe that processor performance is the most important thing. However, I think most Android copycats have poor battery life than iPhone 4. They could not last one day with heave use. If the consumers know that their cellphone can not last one day why would they buy it?
I think you do not know what a smartphone is to be used for. Verizon ads want people to believe that processor performance is the most important thing. However, I think most Android copycats have poor battery life than iPhone 4. They could not last one day with heave use. If the consumers know that their cellphone can not last one day why would they buy it?
A Phone is used to call people, something the Iphone has consistently fallen to in categories to Android Copycats.
A smartphone is something much more that should be able to do much more. The User experience is STILL the most important thing. However to me this is not such a non issue, I understand for many people it is.
Poor battery life depends on your definition of "heavy use". I spend most of the day browsing the web, watching youtube videos and checking email, and near the end of the day play the emulators I have(Which the ROMS for are LEGAL in my case). I can crack almost 1.5 days worth of a charge out of my Nexus S. 8 hours of standby will only tick away about 10-15% on EDGE and about 25% on 3G(Both depending on background applications).
Some People constantly stream, or use their Phone as a 3G/4G router via hotspot, or run like 6 Apps at the same time, Thus the phone is expected to DIE.
Many people who have an android phone have no idea what a task killer is and thus, the background applications running will usually be the battery killer. Either that, or a terrible UI, such as Motoblur.
If people could not get 1 days use out of their phone they would not buy it, but a good amount of people CAN get at least 24 hours use, hence why they are still selling.
HTC skips out on batteries choosing very low calibers
Moto's UI sucks
Samsung's SAMOLED screens already draw 75% less power than a conventional LCD, but their Apps aren't the most friendly.
LG...never tried one of their phones, but from what I'm seeing from a friend who has one, they also skimp out on batteries.
Never had a sony phone, don't know anyone who does
I think you do not know what a smartphone is to be used for. Verizon ads want people to believe that processor performance is the most important thing. However, I think most Android copycats have poor battery life than iPhone 4. They could not last one day with heave use. If the consumers know that their cellphone can not last one day why would they buy it?
If you're using your smartphone as a web browser all day, yes the iPhone is a great choice for battery life. Talking on it for several hours a day? There might be better choices.
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It all depends on what your primary use is. And most Android phones allow you to drop in a fresh battery as needed if you're a power user.
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I remember before Jobs introduced iPad 2 in March, Samsung was going to release a Galaxy tablet computer. After iPad 2 is shown to the world, a Samsung exec said they will withdraw the releasing and will redesign it. Galaxy Tab 10.1 is a result of this. So it is obvious Samsung redesigned it by just copying the iPad 2.
If only lawyers and judges could put things so succinctly. Well done.
I remember before Jobs introduced iPad 2 in March, Samsung was going to release a Galaxy tablet computer. After iPad 2 is shown to the world, a Samsung exec said they will withdraw the releasing and will redesign it. Galaxy Tab 10.1 is a result of this. So it is obvious Samsung redesigned it by just copying the iPad 2.
The "redesign" was planned even before the iPad 2 was announced, just for a later release.
They just had to push the release forward, after Apple announced their iPad 2.
Even if you copy, a redesign should take much longer than those 3 weeks it took Samsung to do so.
It's obvious that it's design is based on the iPad, but to be honest, it's NOT based on the iPad 2.
It's obvious that it's design is based on the iPad, but to be honest, it's NOT based on the iPad 2.
Same with the phones which more closely resemble the original iPhone and the 3G/3GS than they do the iPhone 4. Interestingly this may be a motivation for Apple to keep making the 3GS, to maximize Samsung's potential liability.
there are only so many ways to display icons. grid like on a rectangular screen. look at palm os (not the new webOS).
It's not that they are arranged in a grid, it's the fact that they are matted with a colored rectangular background which clearly mimics the iPhone's rectangular icons. This is why Apple is claiming trade dress infringement.
as for the music icon, 1 icon? is that the basis of this?
Uh, no.
That is not Apple's argument.
There is such a thing as a design knockoff, which is a deliberate attempt to copy a successful design. Ever seen a Rolex or Tag watch knockoff from China, sold for a fraction of the cost of the real thing? It's designed to look like a real Rolex or Tag. Just because it doesn't say "Rolex" or "Tag Heuer" doesn't excuse it.
So, you can either defend Samsung by denying that they've copied Apple's design, or you can agree with Apple, but defend Samsung's right to shamelessly copy Apple.
I generally agree with a lot of your posts. Not this one tho. Comparing products intended to deceive, exact duplicates including logos, is not at all like making a product that has a passing resemblance to another. Hyundai made no bones about trying to copy the essence of the Lexus RX with their Vera Cruz. But they wanted to do so while improving some features and offering it at a lower price.
Lexus didn't sue them.
http://www.wheels.ca/Used%20Cars/article/793112
To a lesser degree, the iPod exists only because of the Sony Walkman. Steve Jobs was reportedly " fascinated by it." It was Sony who blazed the trail, while Apple came in on their coat-tails. But Sony never sued, tho it's likely there was some patent infringment that could have been claimed if they had wanted to go that direction.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20020573-37.html
Sammy's not trying to make a purchaser of their Tab or Galaxy S think they bought an iPad or iPhone. And no one here would be fooled into thinking they had. Nor do they know anyone else who would be similarly fooled. And I may be naive, but I do believe Samsung is convinced they can produce a better smartphone than Apple can, at least as regards hardware and features. I'm sure they know that matching the entire 'Apple experience" isn't realistic any time in the near future.
Without a "next big thing" product at the ready, Apple is getting increasingly aggressive in protecting their mobile market share IMHO. I believe they may represent a big danger to innovation in smartphones and tablets in the very near future. Personally I look for them to use the courts more and more, rather than new features and products, to keep any competition at bay. I hope I'm proven wrong.
Who knew that their lack of originality would be the real "Samsung Killer"!
That company cannot survive Apple's lawsuit. Buh Bye, Samsung!
This will go just like the Nokia lawsuit. Apple will end up loosing and paying is that simple. If they win they'll have a hard time with LG (Prada) and HTC(TouchFlow/SenseUI which existed way before iOS.). I came here months ago I said that Apple will never win the Nokia case, the best they could do is settle and pay big bucks and that's what they did even if people here insulted me. So just wait and see.
if any of you have ever designed something, say a website or a log, you would understand what is involved in creating something not only distinctive but in the case of a user interface the amount of hard work it takes to be successful. There was not GUI like the iPhone before the iPhone. Tablets looked nothing like the iPad, they had pens were clunky and nobody bought them. Apple spends years developing hardware, software and an entire eco system around these products only to have copy cat companies rush out a poor imitation that can confuse the consumer and make profits for such a company without the huge amount of R&D spending. At least Microsoft has given it a shop with the Win7 phone to show it is possible to invent a product that is not a complete rip off of an Apple product. If you don't agree with this than you are probably the same type of person that shops on Canal St in NYC looking for counterfeit Prada hand bags.
I'd take that pen back any day. Using a tablet and phone with your fingers is like eating with your hands. Anyways they're going to loose just like they did with Nokia, it takes more than than some icons to get a cell phone to work and Samsung just like Nokia have hundreds of patents on how it works inside they were doing phones long before Apple. They'll take the new designs from Apple and looks at them in the inside and counter sue based on that and funny enough you can rearrange some icons and still have a phone but you cant' rip-off the hardware and still have a phone. Hardware R/D is way more expensive than software. Ask Apple that gets most of its components from Samsung
It part of a broader trend of Asian cultures adopting Western ideas, fashion, and culture. Samsung should also copy "Designed by Apple in California" on their mobile products
Western ideas??? Most of these engineers are Asian what the H are you talking about. High tech companies are very different than BK and KFC it takes a different kind of worker.
there are only so many ways to display icons.
And several dozen of them don't include the iPhone's way.
as for the music icon, 1 icon? is that the basis of this?
Oh, and phone. And everything else outlined in the suit.
Western ideas??? Most of these engineers are Asian what the H are you talking about. High tech companies are very different than BK and KFC it takes a different kind of worker.
If that's not the most racist, classist thing I've ever heard, I don't know what is.
The "redesign" was planned even before the iPad 2 was announced, just for a later release.
They just had to push the release forward, after Apple announced their iPad 2.
Even if you copy, a redesign should take much longer than those 3 weeks it took Samsung to do so.
It's obvious that it's design is based on the iPad, but to be honest, it's NOT based on the iPad 2.
Good point. Samsung designed Galaxy Tab following iPad. The redesign is essentially changing the spec to match or beat iPad2. What I heard is the redesigned Galaxy Tab is even thinner than iPad2.
I have a chance to play with the Galaxy Tab today. It looks very like the iPad.
Good point. Samsung designed Galaxy Tab following iPad. The redesign is essentially changing the spec to match or beat iPad2. What I heard is the redesigned Galaxy Tab is even thinner than iPad2.
The 10.1? - not anymore its not. They couldn't get enough of the super-thin displays, so while a few review models might be thinner than the ipad-2, the retail units people buy will mostly be thicker. That's always assuming that they sell any retail units.
Samsung represents a lot to Koreans. Choice, however, isn't one.
Did you even read his post?
Samsung is the 2nd biggest patent holder in the US. Apple is not even in top 50.
Like this one? http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/s...y-s-ii-review/
Samsung are also larger than many countries in the world. So what if they hold patents? Look at their history, though. They just buy tech from other companies. They do invent some stuff, but by and large, they are copycats no matter what they do.
Again (and no one seems to remember this), Samsung are a grocery company first, a sugar importer second, and an electronics company last.
I think the Android copycats' strategy is to make products as close to Apple as possible. Then they can compete with Apple in terms of price and/or specs. Apple's strategy is then force the Android copycats to develop their own looks and features. This way the consumers can easily distinguish between Apple and Android copycats.
If you can honestly tell me that you can and will confuse an Epic 4G, replenish, or sidekick for an Iphone... you should NOT be allowed to even hold a smartphone.
Android is in the midst of trying to win a price war with Apple, so that is correct.
HOWEVER, to say that Android needs to compete on a technical level is far beyond backwards.
Anything that has 2nd generation 800mhz-1ghz Snapdragon, or a 1ghz Hummingbird Processor, can out do the IP4 on a technical level.
On the dual core front, the upcoming Dual-core A15 based, 28nm "Krait" CPU's will pretty much steam roll anything else.
NVIDIA has barely done much other than jack up the power on their chips, and the problems are evident enough.
Happens in any market where there's a first mover (Apple) and competitors vying for market share.
So Apple might have pioneered this field. So Apple might have done all the user experience testing. So what? It doesn't mean Apple should get upset about other companies learning from their innovations.
Say you're an executive at Samsung. When you look at an iPhone, do you say, "Hmm this design is exceptional, and consumers seem to like it. But screw it, let's just put our heads in the sand, pay no attention to what's actually working, and design something in the dark."
????
"Yea sign me up! Because we're badasses first, money comes second."
GET REAL.
For Apple's sake, I hope these lawsuits are a gentleman's game. I hope it's a harmless case of Apple's legal team having the opportunity to sue, and going for it because the ROI looks positive. I hope it's nothing more than that, and I really hope that Apple realizes similar-looking and similar-functioning Android phones will always be there, and probably always be cheaper than Apple devices.
How can they blame their competitors for their actions, when surely Apple would do the same thing?
Jobs is the one who positioned Apple as the premium innovator in these markets, so he better be worrying more about continued innovation than competitors (arguably) copying his ideas. I hope these suits are not a sign that Apple feels threatened by Android devices, because there's nothing wrong with what Samsung is doing, and even if Samsung goes down, another company will rise to take its place.
Are these lawsuits a sign that Apple thinks it will be devoured by the Android swarm?
It's a real life game of PvZ.
Happens in any market where there's a first mover (Apple) and competitors vying for market share.
How can they blame their competitors for their actions, when surely Apple would do the same thing?
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They have done the same thing. The product that rescued Apple was the iPod, which came to fruition because of an enamored Steve Jobs following in Sony's footsteps. If Sony had it all to do over again I don't know if they'd have invited him behind the scenes. He obviously stole their idea.
If you can honestly tell me that you can and will confuse an Epic 4G, replenish, or sidekick for an Iphone... you should NOT be allowed to even hold a smartphone.
Android is in the midst of trying to win a price war with Apple, so that is correct.
HOWEVER, to say that Android needs to compete on a technical level is far beyond backwards.
Anything that has 2nd generation 800mhz-1ghz Snapdragon, or a 1ghz Hummingbird Processor, can out do the IP4 on a technical level.
On the dual core front, the upcoming Dual-core A15 based, 28nm "Krait" CPU's will pretty much steam roll anything else.
NVIDIA has barely done much other than jack up the power on their chips, and the problems are evident enough.
I think you do not know what a smartphone is to be used for. Verizon ads want people to believe that processor performance is the most important thing. However, I think most Android copycats have poor battery life than iPhone 4. They could not last one day with heave use. If the consumers know that their cellphone can not last one day why would they buy it?
I think you do not know what a smartphone is to be used for. Verizon ads want people to believe that processor performance is the most important thing. However, I think most Android copycats have poor battery life than iPhone 4. They could not last one day with heave use. If the consumers know that their cellphone can not last one day why would they buy it?
A Phone is used to call people, something the Iphone has consistently fallen to in categories to Android Copycats.
A smartphone is something much more that should be able to do much more. The User experience is STILL the most important thing. However to me this is not such a non issue, I understand for many people it is.
Poor battery life depends on your definition of "heavy use". I spend most of the day browsing the web, watching youtube videos and checking email, and near the end of the day play the emulators I have(Which the ROMS for are LEGAL in my case). I can crack almost 1.5 days worth of a charge out of my Nexus S. 8 hours of standby will only tick away about 10-15% on EDGE and about 25% on 3G(Both depending on background applications).
Some People constantly stream, or use their Phone as a 3G/4G router via hotspot, or run like 6 Apps at the same time, Thus the phone is expected to DIE.
Many people who have an android phone have no idea what a task killer is and thus, the background applications running will usually be the battery killer. Either that, or a terrible UI, such as Motoblur.
If people could not get 1 days use out of their phone they would not buy it, but a good amount of people CAN get at least 24 hours use, hence why they are still selling.
HTC skips out on batteries choosing very low calibers
Moto's UI sucks
Samsung's SAMOLED screens already draw 75% less power than a conventional LCD, but their Apps aren't the most friendly.
LG...never tried one of their phones, but from what I'm seeing from a friend who has one, they also skimp out on batteries.
Never had a sony phone, don't know anyone who does
I think you do not know what a smartphone is to be used for. Verizon ads want people to believe that processor performance is the most important thing. However, I think most Android copycats have poor battery life than iPhone 4. They could not last one day with heave use. If the consumers know that their cellphone can not last one day why would they buy it?
If you're using your smartphone as a web browser all day, yes the iPhone is a great choice for battery life. Talking on it for several hours a day? There might be better choices.
It all depends on what your primary use is. And most Android phones allow you to drop in a fresh battery as needed if you're a power user.