They could just develop for the iPad simulator on any mac. I think this case is an outlier because there is no other tablet maker at the time with any significant piece of the market other than apple.
Professor pointed out the dead weight created by the tariff, but that was in affect only while apple was a "foreign company". Now the tariff is simply keeping apple in the country. But it will hurt android makers as they try to sell in Brazil later on when they gain traction. But maybe they too will move to brazil, once again becoming a benefit.
I think it's similar to china forcing all foreign firms to become 49% partners with a chinese firm to sell in china. Because of the population they get all the benefits (technology and info tranfer, employment etc) without losing any foreign firms to this barrier.
Another idea from the professor, these iPads could still be more expensive then if they were brought in from china without the tariffs, limiting the number of people that can buy them, even after apple moves into the country. Gonna check the prices in brazilian stores after apple moves in to see how they match up to US prices.
New plant in Brazil going online will set the path for the into of Ipad 3, but more importantly .....hopefully the quality control and manufacturing process will be better than in China.
This is kind of borderline racist IMO although perhaps you didn't intend it that way.
The iPads in Brazil will be made by the same company as they will in China, so what you are saying here is that Brazillians themselves (by reason of genetics or... ?), make less mistakes or are smarter than the Chinese or something? Ridiculous.
The quality control on Apple products, iPads included is also rather good actually. You are just seeing things through the filter of the tech press which reports on every minor gripe from every idiot in the USA that thinks he has a problem with the product.
Nothing personal, but I find it interesting how calls for "Made in America" policies (which are numerous and never-ending), are patriotic but any other country doing the same thing is 'cowardly protectionism."
I wouldn't want the iPad to be manufactured in the US if that meant that it would cost more than $1000, because then I probably wouldn't have bought one. I find the iPad to be awesome for $500, but they would be selling a lot less of them if it cost double the price to purchase.
Erm, it's not clear but from the way you phrase that it seems like you think that the overvalued currency is something the Brazilians want. You realize from an import/export perspective an overvalued currency is a bad thing right? Hence why China is careful to maintain an undervalued currency and why Brazil is threatening capital controls.
If I have misunderstood your gist then apologies.
I don't have much experience with Brazil, as I've never been there. I do have experience with certain European countries and I'm not a fan of countries which place outrageous taxes on imported consumer goods, in some cases doubling the price of what the item should cost. Brazil has a 60% tax on the iPad and 90% on some cars? That's pretty ridiculous and I'm glad that I don't live there.
They could just develop for the iPad simulator on any mac. I think this case is an outlier because there is no other tablet maker at the time with any significant piece of the market other than apple.
You're assuming that macs aren't affected by exactly the same import tariffs - and of course they are http://gizmodo.com/5444888/the-price...ound-the-world. Brazil's import tariffs mean that it has expensive computers all over,
And it's not just Apple, want a dell craptop? Their cheapest 16inch screen laptop in Brazil is $1120 and they don't even do a 17inch screen presumably as nobody would even consider buying one. 17inch in the US is $550 and comes with all the bells and whistles by comparison.
This has to be significantly impacting Brazil's service industry growth and computer literacy.
It's not that simple. Let's take New York City. There are 1.1 million students in the public school system. At $500 each, that's a $550 million investment. But it's really much more because some of those Pads would get stolen or broken (my guess would be 20% per year). You would then need a support team, probably at least one resource per school. And then you would need additional iPads each year for the new students (unless you're not going to let the kids keep them.) And then there's the issue of security. If the kids walked around with them, they would be targets for muggers, etc.
Furthermore, it only becomes an educational device if the kids actually read the textbooks and ebooks that are on the device. And what is more likely is that the kids would download a bunch of free games and the like and spend all their time doing that, tweeting, etc.
Also, for younger kids, putting pen/pencil to paper is an important cognitive skill that leads to brain development in ways that typing on a keyboard does not.
So, in essence, you're spending upwards of $600 million so that the kids don't have to carry paper, which actually, most never do anyway. I see even high school kids coming off the subway and most usually don't even carry a notebook (and no, they don't have lockers at school).
I think the mantra that technology improves education is a canard. Math and reading scores have been dropping across the country for years in spite of technology. One might make the case that technology actually hurts literacy because with all the time spent on a computer or smartphone doing trivial tasks (like browsing, tweeting, playing games, listening to bad music, etc.), kids are not reading, writing, studying history or doing any mathematics.
You need to read this -- many of your concerns are addressed.
New plant in Brazil going online will set the path for the into of Ipad 3, but more importantly .....hopefully the quality control and manufacturing process will be better than in China.
I know many South Americans << cons > > Very negative and or very very thin skin .
<<pros>>Yet brazilians and Argentina's are extremely well education people's
very very loving family centric and kind hearts .
Not every single one but once I learned to watch carefully whatI say and or promise I got along very well.
Any way Foxycommie did very well putting a large factory their and mayBE they can move next to Mexico and or Canada next .
New plant in Brazil going online will set the path for the into of Ipad 3, but more importantly .....hopefully the quality control and manufacturing process will be better than in China.
forget the QC and process, I just hope for less human rights violations...lets hope for good safe and clean working conditions and that the folks make a reasonable living.
I suspect that the iPad Tablet of 2015 will be quite a bit different than the iPad of 2011:
-- much lower price
-- much lower cost to manufacture
-- much easier to manufacture
-- much more powerful
Apple has always given the same attention to manufacturing as to design.
I suspect that Apple will fulfill the promise of OTPC (One Tablet Per Child) nee OLPC.
I suspect they will find ways to automate manufacturing and increase yields.
I suspect Apple will setup manufacturing in Africa, Near East, India, etc.
If all goes well, the 2015 iPad will be ubiquitous and sell for US $99 or less with a cost of US $60 or less.
Close, but I doubt it. Apple has a history of maintaining price points for many years - and then stuffing as powerful of hardware as they can at that price point. That's why the entry level MacBook has been around $1,000 for ages. I would imagine that the 2015 iPad will be somewhere around $500 - 800 just like today's iPad.
HOWEVER, if Apple wants to play in this field (not very likely, IMHO), they might be able to sell the 2011 iPad for $99 by 2015.
Do you also get upset when somebody points out that 2+2=4?
I happen to believe that there are differences between different groups of people, and it's not necessarily racially based. There are cultural differences and societal differences which also come into play. I have no idea why I am bothering to reply to a person of your station, but you might want to read a book or two before flaunting your general ignorance and juvenile behavior.
And it matters not that you are white, there are plenty of not so intelligent white people around also.
Apple needs to crank out iPads like there's no tomorrow. Whatever the global demand is for iPads, Apple absolutely needs to fill that demand so competitor tablets can't possibly get any traction. The greater the iPad availability is, impatient consumers won't need to be looking around for substitute tablets. Fulfilling global demand seems almost impossible for one company considering that Foxconn has said that the iPad is so difficult to make. I sure hope those Brazilian workers are up to the task.
They could just use whips and 20 hour work days for those Brazilian workers so they can make sure everyone is a robotic Apple fanboi? How about threats to the worker's families... anything to ensure that people can be blessed with the holy, magical device.
Nice to know the Foxconn worker misery is going global.
I'm hoping more that Apple brings back manufacturing to the US over time.
Do you also get upset when somebody points out that 2+2=4?
I happen to believe that there are differences between different groups of people, and it's not necessarily racially based. There are cultural differences and societal differences which also come into play. I have no idea why I am bothering to reply to a person of your station, but you might want to read a book or two before flaunting your general ignorance and juvenile behavior.
And it matters not that you are white, there are plenty of not so intelligent white people around also.
haha, "your station" ..you're kidding, right? keep it up, you're doing great, but please stop posting on these forums after this.
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They could just develop for the iPad simulator on any mac. I think this case is an outlier because there is no other tablet maker at the time with any significant piece of the market other than apple.
Professor pointed out the dead weight created by the tariff, but that was in affect only while apple was a "foreign company". Now the tariff is simply keeping apple in the country. But it will hurt android makers as they try to sell in Brazil later on when they gain traction. But maybe they too will move to brazil, once again becoming a benefit.
I think it's similar to china forcing all foreign firms to become 49% partners with a chinese firm to sell in china. Because of the population they get all the benefits (technology and info tranfer, employment etc) without losing any foreign firms to this barrier.
Another idea from the professor, these iPads could still be more expensive then if they were brought in from china without the tariffs, limiting the number of people that can buy them, even after apple moves into the country. Gonna check the prices in brazilian stores after apple moves in to see how they match up to US prices.
Steve B. will pick Fran Drescher for the voice over in the Windows 8 tablet ad.
No, Gilbert Gottfried. He has commercial voiceover experience, having been fired as the Aflac duck.
New plant in Brazil going online will set the path for the into of Ipad 3, but more importantly .....hopefully the quality control and manufacturing process will be better than in China.
This is kind of borderline racist IMO although perhaps you didn't intend it that way.
The iPads in Brazil will be made by the same company as they will in China, so what you are saying here is that Brazillians themselves (by reason of genetics or... ?), make less mistakes or are smarter than the Chinese or something? Ridiculous.
The quality control on Apple products, iPads included is also rather good actually. You are just seeing things through the filter of the tech press which reports on every minor gripe from every idiot in the USA that thinks he has a problem with the product.
Nothing personal, but I find it interesting how calls for "Made in America" policies (which are numerous and never-ending), are patriotic but any other country doing the same thing is 'cowardly protectionism."
I wouldn't want the iPad to be manufactured in the US if that meant that it would cost more than $1000, because then I probably wouldn't have bought one. I find the iPad to be awesome for $500, but they would be selling a lot less of them if it cost double the price to purchase.
Erm, it's not clear but from the way you phrase that it seems like you think that the overvalued currency is something the Brazilians want. You realize from an import/export perspective an overvalued currency is a bad thing right? Hence why China is careful to maintain an undervalued currency and why Brazil is threatening capital controls.
If I have misunderstood your gist then apologies.
I don't have much experience with Brazil, as I've never been there. I do have experience with certain European countries and I'm not a fan of countries which place outrageous taxes on imported consumer goods, in some cases doubling the price of what the item should cost. Brazil has a 60% tax on the iPad and 90% on some cars? That's pretty ridiculous and I'm glad that I don't live there.
They could just develop for the iPad simulator on any mac. I think this case is an outlier because there is no other tablet maker at the time with any significant piece of the market other than apple.
You're assuming that macs aren't affected by exactly the same import tariffs - and of course they are http://gizmodo.com/5444888/the-price...ound-the-world. Brazil's import tariffs mean that it has expensive computers all over,
And it's not just Apple, want a dell craptop? Their cheapest 16inch screen laptop in Brazil is $1120 and they don't even do a 17inch screen presumably as nobody would even consider buying one. 17inch in the US is $550 and comes with all the bells and whistles by comparison.
This has to be significantly impacting Brazil's service industry growth and computer literacy.
So a new Brazilian factory needs 3 to 4 years to ramp up to 6 million iPads per year. How then can the world ramp up to producing 200 million tablets by 2015 (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles..._future.html)? That's just inconceivable: http://bit.ly/m2maPF
I suspect that the iPad Tablet of 2015 will be quite a bit different than the iPad of 2011:
-- much lower price
-- much lower cost to manufacture
-- much easier to manufacture
-- much more powerful
Apple has always given the same attention to manufacturing as to design.
I suspect that Apple will fulfill the promise of OTPC (One Tablet Per Child) nee OLPC.
I suspect they will find ways to automate manufacturing and increase yields.
I suspect Apple will setup manufacturing in Africa, Near East, India, etc.
If all goes well, the 2015 iPad will be ubiquitous and sell for US $99 or less with a cost of US $60 or less.
Have a look at some of these pictures of planned OTPCs -- and see If you can visualize Apple mass producing something like that.
Fuseproject and One Laptop Per Child Unveil $75 Tablet PC for Kids!
Read more: Fuseproject and One Laptop Per Child Unveil $75 Tablet PC for Kids!
It's not that simple. Let's take New York City. There are 1.1 million students in the public school system. At $500 each, that's a $550 million investment. But it's really much more because some of those Pads would get stolen or broken (my guess would be 20% per year). You would then need a support team, probably at least one resource per school. And then you would need additional iPads each year for the new students (unless you're not going to let the kids keep them.) And then there's the issue of security. If the kids walked around with them, they would be targets for muggers, etc.
Furthermore, it only becomes an educational device if the kids actually read the textbooks and ebooks that are on the device. And what is more likely is that the kids would download a bunch of free games and the like and spend all their time doing that, tweeting, etc.
Also, for younger kids, putting pen/pencil to paper is an important cognitive skill that leads to brain development in ways that typing on a keyboard does not.
So, in essence, you're spending upwards of $600 million so that the kids don't have to carry paper, which actually, most never do anyway. I see even high school kids coming off the subway and most usually don't even carry a notebook (and no, they don't have lockers at school).
I think the mantra that technology improves education is a canard. Math and reading scores have been dropping across the country for years in spite of technology. One might make the case that technology actually hurts literacy because with all the time spent on a computer or smartphone doing trivial tasks (like browsing, tweeting, playing games, listening to bad music, etc.), kids are not reading, writing, studying history or doing any mathematics.
You need to read this -- many of your concerns are addressed.
New plant in Brazil going online will set the path for the into of Ipad 3, but more importantly .....hopefully the quality control and manufacturing process will be better than in China.
I know many South Americans << cons > > Very negative and or very very thin skin .
<<pros>>Yet brazilians and Argentina's are extremely well education people's
very very loving family centric and kind hearts .
Not every single one but once I learned to watch carefully whatI say and or promise I got along very well.
Any way Foxycommie did very well putting a large factory their and mayBE they can move next to Mexico and or Canada next .
Come Home APPLE
COME HOME
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ps Buffalo looks goos also
New plant in Brazil going online will set the path for the into of Ipad 3, but more importantly .....hopefully the quality control and manufacturing process will be better than in China.
forget the QC and process, I just hope for less human rights violations...lets hope for good safe and clean working conditions and that the folks make a reasonable living.
I suspect that the iPad Tablet of 2015 will be quite a bit different than the iPad of 2011:
-- much lower price
-- much lower cost to manufacture
-- much easier to manufacture
-- much more powerful
Apple has always given the same attention to manufacturing as to design.
I suspect that Apple will fulfill the promise of OTPC (One Tablet Per Child) nee OLPC.
I suspect they will find ways to automate manufacturing and increase yields.
I suspect Apple will setup manufacturing in Africa, Near East, India, etc.
If all goes well, the 2015 iPad will be ubiquitous and sell for US $99 or less with a cost of US $60 or less.
Close, but I doubt it. Apple has a history of maintaining price points for many years - and then stuffing as powerful of hardware as they can at that price point. That's why the entry level MacBook has been around $1,000 for ages. I would imagine that the 2015 iPad will be somewhere around $500 - 800 just like today's iPad.
HOWEVER, if Apple wants to play in this field (not very likely, IMHO), they might be able to sell the 2011 iPad for $99 by 2015.
racist post removed
go fuck yourself
(from a white guy, if it matters)
go fuck yourself
(from a white guy, if it matters)
Do you also get upset when somebody points out that 2+2=4?
I happen to believe that there are differences between different groups of people, and it's not necessarily racially based. There are cultural differences and societal differences which also come into play. I have no idea why I am bothering to reply to a person of your station, but you might want to read a book or two before flaunting your general ignorance and juvenile behavior.
And it matters not that you are white, there are plenty of not so intelligent white people around also.
Have a look at some of these pictures of planned OTPCs -- and see If you can visualize Apple mass producing something like that.
Fuseproject and One Laptop Per Child Unveil $75 Tablet PC for Kids!
Apple needs to crank out iPads like there's no tomorrow. Whatever the global demand is for iPads, Apple absolutely needs to fill that demand so competitor tablets can't possibly get any traction. The greater the iPad availability is, impatient consumers won't need to be looking around for substitute tablets. Fulfilling global demand seems almost impossible for one company considering that Foxconn has said that the iPad is so difficult to make. I sure hope those Brazilian workers are up to the task.
They could just use whips and 20 hour work days for those Brazilian workers so they can make sure everyone is a robotic Apple fanboi? How about threats to the worker's families... anything to ensure that people can be blessed with the holy, magical device.
Nice to know the Foxconn worker misery is going global.
I'm hoping more that Apple brings back manufacturing to the US over time.
Do you also get upset when somebody points out that 2+2=4?
I happen to believe that there are differences between different groups of people, and it's not necessarily racially based. There are cultural differences and societal differences which also come into play. I have no idea why I am bothering to reply to a person of your station, but you might want to read a book or two before flaunting your general ignorance and juvenile behavior.
And it matters not that you are white, there are plenty of not so intelligent white people around also.
haha, "your station" ..you're kidding, right? keep it up, you're doing great, but please stop posting on these forums after this.
racist post removed
Please take your racism elsewhere. It's highly offensive and just shows your total ignorance.
This is just to obtain a taxes exemption, to facilitate selling iPads inside Brazil, not to export to anywhere else...