Disagree. iPhone has about the same share it had in 2008. It putters along in the 20-somethings. The lows are getting higher, but the highs are hitting the ceiling at around 30%.
Android grew from nothing to over 50% of the market in the same time.
No, Apple has not capitalized on the misfortunes of the older platforms. Google has done it instead. Apple has a dedicated base of buyers, and if they can keep 30% of the market they will make huge profits. I'm not worried, but let's not pretend that Apple is getting sales from people who used to own Nokia or Blackberry. The data suggest that those folks overwhelmingly buy Android phones.
You seem to be assuming that the market for smartphones is static and not growing, while all other market indicators show exactly the opposite:
From mashable
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The worldwide smartphone market has grown 79.7% year-over-year, with smartphone vendors shipping a total of 99.6 million units in in the first quarter of 2011, market research firm IDC reports.
Although Nokia’s smartphone shipments have grown from 21.5 million units to 24.2 million, its competitors have been growing much faster. Samsung’s market share increased from 4.3% to 10.8%, while HTC has grown from 4.9% to 8.9%. Samsung’s growth has been particularly impressive, with shipments increasing 350% — from 2.4 to 10.8 million units.
Apple is also showing steady growth, having captured an 18.7% market share in Q1 2011, compared to 15.7% in the same period last year. Research in Motion is holding third place overall with a 14% market share, but, like Nokia, it’s been growing much slower than everyone else, having increased shipments from 10.6 million units to 13.9 million in Q1 2011.
The entire market is growing and even Nokia and RIM show growth in the segment, but much flatter than Android and iOS smartphones. That erosion of growth is directly attributable to both Android and iOS sales. But the highest activity for Android came at the expense of WinMo coupled with driving sales into the feature phone segment - a majority of the actual "growth" part of the market.
You need to let go of the whole "fanbase" concept of Apple's product penetration - that there is this mysterious mass of Apple loyalists who are waiting for the next product to roll out - Apple is growing worldwide consumer marketshare across most of their product lines quarter over quarter and year over year. Denial may be comforting for you, but it does not reflect reality.
Really? So if there were no Android phones, Apple would not be selling more iPhones? Please!!! Your embarrassing yourself.
Actually that's probably true, or at least it wouldn't be selling many more. Apple is growing 100% YoY, which means it is pushing up hard against supply constraints and Apple has to negotiate with carriers which takes time.
Android makers mostly converted their existing capacity over and already had relationships with carriers so their growth was in fact just cannibalization of their own sales.
Actually that's probably true, or at least it wouldn't be selling many more. Apple is growing 100% YoY, which means it is pushing up hard against supply constraints and Apple has to negotiate with carriers which takes time.
Android makers mostly converted their existing capacity over and already had relationships with carriers so their growth was in fact just cannibalization of their own sales.
Besides Apple already pushing their production to the brink if Android didn't exist there would be some other "me too" player taking up the slag of the anti-Apple folks.
Alright, please ban this fool now. I like AppleInsider's boards because they aren't bombarded with spam like so many others. Don't let crap like this start trickling in.
So a former Microsoft employee, who is now with nokia, who is working with microsoft, has stated that Microsoft/Nokia branded phones are soon to launch.
I hadn't seen that article. I have never understood why Nokia didn't keep this secret. I guess I should have thought about Ballmer being involved instantly turns everything into mud.
So a former Microsoft employee, who is now with nokia, who is working with microsoft, has stated that Microsoft/Nokia branded phones are soon to launch.
I say good luck to them. I've been very impressed with what I've seen of Windows 7, and Nokia in the past have designed some very nice hardware, so it could be interesting.
Competition in the marketplace benefits us all. While I'm sure Apple will say otherwise, I suspect the fact that Android phones could be run entirely "over the air" has played a part in getting the iPhone able to run without a PC, and as an end user, I think that's great.
Frankly they are all copying off each other (though some more than others), so the more good ideas out there, the better we consumers do.
Nice concise post, Paul. I couldn't agree more with your 2nd & 3rd paragraphs. No comment on the first as I haven't looked at W7.
Apparently the bad product karma has finally caught up with them. There is a website http://wptattletale.com/ set up by a microserf who is angry and disappointed that phone retailers direct customers away from WP7 and onto iOS/Android. The website is there so that stores that carry WP7 phones can be reviewed and made to shape up.
He's shocked that this wonderful product is being treated so badly, shocked!
The funniest thing about the whole site? It doesn't actually work
Is there a word for a cocktail consisting of equal parts irony and schadenfreude?
pff who cares about Windows Phone Mobile Zune 7 SP1. MS is like allergic to mobile products, they just don't "get it".
But the Nokia N950 and N9 looks sweeeet. A laptop and a phone. Kind of like a different take on an Android platform, where the phone can be a computer.
I think Nokia will be gobbled up by another company after their Windows ploy fails miserably. On the other hand, it looks like a good company to short on stock in the mid-term...
I banned the spammer. If you're going to reply to a spammer, please don't quote any links or identifying information.
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The curved screen makes it look very different from that,
The previous design of iPhone nano (pre clip-on design, the one with the camera) had a curved screen too, though not quite as curvy in the same way. This looks a lot like an adaptation of that design.
Actually what we're talking about here isn't 'Look and Feel' it's Trade Dress which is a significant distinction as Trade Dress has better legal protection.
My point was precisely that the N9 has a very different finish, material and form to the iPhone. It's certainly closer to the shape of the iPod-Nano-6 gen or the iPod-mini, but even there the curved screen makes it stand out.
There's no problem with devices sharing a few design details, Trade Dress becomes an issue when the similarities are so great that there is a substantial chance that consumers will mistake one product for another. Looking at the N9 I'd say there's little chance of people thinking it's an Apple product, well maybe the black edition but only if they didn't really know Apple.
It's probably not going to be confused for an iPod nano very often. But still, a good amount of the design language appear to be lifted from the previous nano, I can see people thinking it's an Apple product, even if it's not going to be mistaken for the product that "inspired" the design.
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Disagree. iPhone has about the same share it had in 2008. It putters along in the 20-somethings. The lows are getting higher, but the highs are hitting the ceiling at around 30%.
Android grew from nothing to over 50% of the market in the same time.
No, Apple has not capitalized on the misfortunes of the older platforms. Google has done it instead. Apple has a dedicated base of buyers, and if they can keep 30% of the market they will make huge profits. I'm not worried, but let's not pretend that Apple is getting sales from people who used to own Nokia or Blackberry. The data suggest that those folks overwhelmingly buy Android phones.
You seem to be assuming that the market for smartphones is static and not growing, while all other market indicators show exactly the opposite:
From mashable
The worldwide smartphone market has grown 79.7% year-over-year, with smartphone vendors shipping a total of 99.6 million units in in the first quarter of 2011, market research firm IDC reports.
Although Nokia’s smartphone shipments have grown from 21.5 million units to 24.2 million, its competitors have been growing much faster. Samsung’s market share increased from 4.3% to 10.8%, while HTC has grown from 4.9% to 8.9%. Samsung’s growth has been particularly impressive, with shipments increasing 350% — from 2.4 to 10.8 million units.
Apple is also showing steady growth, having captured an 18.7% market share in Q1 2011, compared to 15.7% in the same period last year. Research in Motion is holding third place overall with a 14% market share, but, like Nokia, it’s been growing much slower than everyone else, having increased shipments from 10.6 million units to 13.9 million in Q1 2011.
The entire market is growing and even Nokia and RIM show growth in the segment, but much flatter than Android and iOS smartphones. That erosion of growth is directly attributable to both Android and iOS sales. But the highest activity for Android came at the expense of WinMo coupled with driving sales into the feature phone segment - a majority of the actual "growth" part of the market.
You need to let go of the whole "fanbase" concept of Apple's product penetration - that there is this mysterious mass of Apple loyalists who are waiting for the next product to roll out - Apple is growing worldwide consumer marketshare across most of their product lines quarter over quarter and year over year. Denial may be comforting for you, but it does not reflect reality.
Vendors using Android surely aren't hurting Apple's iPhone.
Really? So if there were no Android phones, Apple would not be selling more iPhones? Please!!! Your embarrassing yourself.
Really? So if there were no Android phones, Apple would not be selling more iPhones? Please!!! Your embarrassing yourself.
Actually that's probably true, or at least it wouldn't be selling many more. Apple is growing 100% YoY, which means it is pushing up hard against supply constraints and Apple has to negotiate with carriers which takes time.
Android makers mostly converted their existing capacity over and already had relationships with carriers so their growth was in fact just cannibalization of their own sales.
Actually that's probably true, or at least it wouldn't be selling many more. Apple is growing 100% YoY, which means it is pushing up hard against supply constraints and Apple has to negotiate with carriers which takes time.
Android makers mostly converted their existing capacity over and already had relationships with carriers so their growth was in fact just cannibalization of their own sales.
Besides Apple already pushing their production to the brink if Android didn't exist there would be some other "me too" player taking up the slag of the anti-Apple folks.
"We weren't first to this party AND we won't be the best either."
Steve (Ballmer)
Alright, please ban this fool now. I like AppleInsider's boards because they aren't bombarded with spam like so many others. Don't let crap like this start trickling in.
I saw the very same spambot on Cracked.com.
I saw the very same spambot on Cracked.com.
Once I read the entry I figured the moniker stood for hittrojan01, set flag to stun and fired.
Am I missing something here? Where is the news?
Jean-Louis Gassée had an interesting take on Nokia a couple weeks ago. The Osborne Effect is mentioned:
I hadn't seen that article. I have never understood why Nokia didn't keep this secret. I guess I should have thought about Ballmer being involved instantly turns everything into mud.
So a former Microsoft employee, who is now with nokia, who is working with microsoft, has stated that Microsoft/Nokia branded phones are soon to launch.
Am I missing something here? Where is the news?
They haven't started announcing the delays yet.
Another Windows 7 phone? Just another varation of kudge-ware for the landfill.
Another comment from someone who clearly hasn't used a device running Windows Phone 7. Probably best this was in the landfill instead.
I say good luck to them. I've been very impressed with what I've seen of Windows 7, and Nokia in the past have designed some very nice hardware, so it could be interesting.
Competition in the marketplace benefits us all. While I'm sure Apple will say otherwise, I suspect the fact that Android phones could be run entirely "over the air" has played a part in getting the iPhone able to run without a PC, and as an end user, I think that's great.
Frankly they are all copying off each other (though some more than others), so the more good ideas out there, the better we consumers do.
Nice concise post, Paul. I couldn't agree more with your 2nd & 3rd paragraphs. No comment on the first as I haven't looked at W7.
I paid $...
And this is relevant how?
He's shocked that this wonderful product is being treated so badly, shocked!
The funniest thing about the whole site? It doesn't actually work
Is there a word for a cocktail consisting of equal parts irony and schadenfreude?
Is there a word for a cocktail consisting of equal parts irony and schadenfreude?
"Eisenfreude?" "Schadeneisen?" "Schadenraifeisenfreude?"
But the Nokia N950 and N9 looks sweeeet. A laptop and a phone. Kind of like a different take on an Android platform, where the phone can be a computer.
I think Nokia will be gobbled up by another company after their Windows ploy fails miserably. On the other hand, it looks like a good company to short on stock in the mid-term...
The curved screen makes it look very different from that,
The previous design of iPhone nano (pre clip-on design, the one with the camera) had a curved screen too, though not quite as curvy in the same way. This looks a lot like an adaptation of that design.
Actually what we're talking about here isn't 'Look and Feel' it's Trade Dress which is a significant distinction as Trade Dress has better legal protection.
My point was precisely that the N9 has a very different finish, material and form to the iPhone. It's certainly closer to the shape of the iPod-Nano-6 gen or the iPod-mini, but even there the curved screen makes it stand out.
There's no problem with devices sharing a few design details, Trade Dress becomes an issue when the similarities are so great that there is a substantial chance that consumers will mistake one product for another. Looking at the N9 I'd say there's little chance of people thinking it's an Apple product, well maybe the black edition but only if they didn't really know Apple.
It's probably not going to be confused for an iPod nano very often. But still, a good amount of the design language appear to be lifted from the previous nano, I can see people thinking it's an Apple product, even if it's not going to be mistaken for the product that "inspired" the design.
Jean-Louis Gassée had an interesting take on Nokia a couple weeks ago. The Osborne Effect is mentioned:
Without even reading the article, I don't think Gassée is someone I would take advice from, especially with his history.