From the way I see it, it's the natural order of things. It's like a drought in everglades. Alligators will dig holes down to the water line which will become pools from which other animals drink. Without the alligators these other animals would have fewer numbers. Apple has done this with the iPhone. If not Android some other phone OS would have taken up the back and bottom of the cell market to fill that hole.[/QUOTE]
Is iPod Touch a phone??? Is iPad a phone??? Try to stick to SMARTPHONES ecosystems... you know iPhone, iPhone3G, iPhone3gs, iPhone4. When the iPad and iPod can be classified as a phone, you welcome to add them.
Why?? What does platform have togo with making phone calls. Platform is about attracting third party developers...
It really does not matter what devices you count, iOS developers make more money off the iPhone 3GS then android developers do off all Android devices (phone/non phone) combined. Until Android finds away to attract and keep developers, the size of their platform is irrelevant.
Toss in the fact that fragmentation is still a growing problem, manufacturers are still making new phones that will never run 2.2.
Why do you think this market share, limited to just phones and spread accross 5 different versions of Android OS is relevant? How does it matter? What benefit does it provide? Who does it help?
Google has fumbled the platform so badly, the current marketshare is meaningless. I know they are trying to reign it back in, but who knows if they will get the genie back into the bottle.
I understand you're stumped. But I am not. By doing quarter to quarter, year to year comparisons, you can make some conjectures about trends. Can I be 100% sure that HTC's increasing profits and revenues are due mostly to smartphones? No. But if you study the data and their financial reports, only an idiot and a recalcitrant Apple zealot would say the conclusion is pretty compelling.
If you keep arguing the point, then explain to me how you say say how much of Apple's profits are from iPhone. Maybe they lose money on iPhones and make it up by selling T-shirts. Intelligence is a good tool. Use it if you have it.
Your smarmy comment aside, we know exactly how much profit Apple makes from the iPhone product because they post it… every… single… quarter. Tell us how much profit HTC makes from Android 'OS'?
If you keep arguing the point, then explain to me how you say say how much of Apple's profits are from iPhone. Maybe they lose money on iPhones and make it up by selling T-shirts. Intelligence is a good tool. Use it if you have it.
Apple reports the revenue per devision so you know where the profits are coming from and it is not T-Shirts. HTC does not report the individual profits of its three major platforms it sells: WinMo, Android and WP7. Android does make up the lions share of the unit sales of these three but we do not know the profits each one brings in. My guess is profit from each handset is a bit more on WP7/WinMo and slightly lower per handset on Android due to much higher competition on the Android handset market.
Profit wise, HTC is the real lone shinning star in the Android eco-system though they have been unable to grow their profit share in any meaningful way in 4 years.
A year ago, and with the 3GS no less, you would have been called crazy to have said that a SINGLE Android phone was outselling the iPhone in 31% of AT&T stores. 100% complete loon. And it goes to show you that Android growth is actually accelerating... was outselling the iPhone by 2:1 and now is outselling it by close to 3:1... Android growth is simply amazing...
I think it goes to show how well a year-old phone which will be replaced soon can stand against the onslaught of new Android phones but that's just me.
Apple has done this with the iPhone. If not Android some other phone OS would have taken up the back and bottom of the cell market to drink from the hole Apple created.
And, no matter how great the iPhone is, its very difficult to compete with free or near-free.
If you want the latest iPhone model, you're going to pay $199 minimum.
If you want the latest (released within the last 4-5 months) Android model, you can get a great selection of *much* cheaper alternatives. Hell, T Mobile is selling the Samsung Galaxy S 4g online for free right now along with a whole series of other really good Android devices.
Is iPod Touch a phone??? Is iPad a phone??? Try to stick to SMARTPHONES ecosystems... you know iPhone, iPhone3G, iPhone3gs, iPhone4. When the iPad and iPod can be classified as a phone, you welcome to add them.
Why, yes, they are quite capable of making phone calls. The iPod touch doesn't have that wonderful option of transferring $100 per month to a politically connected, legacy cellphone carrier. Whenever you have a wifi connection you can use Skype, among many options, for making phone calls on the iPod touch and iPad.
Most owners of iPhones and similar devices use telephony only a small fraction of the time. The specially designed internet connected computer is the main attraction of iOS and that is present in all three of the mobile platforms. AppleTV is another iOS device that is not mobile but seems quite likely to broaden the base of the iOS ecosystem. Android isn't in this broader and deeper game yet (ever?) because they don't have the equivalent of the cellphone carriers to prop them up. This may seem obscure or mysterious to consumers but developers have no problem reading the actual numbers.
Your smarmy comment aside, we know exactly how much profit Apple makes from the iPhone product because they post it? every? single? quarter. Tell us how much profit HTC makes from Android 'OS'?
LOL! I can just see this guy... flipping through every page he can find to see if that data is available.
He can't find it... we know that... and now he has to come back with more of his smarmy comments and bullshit.
Let me get this out of the way: I believe that something on the order of 80% of all Android sales are not because the user wants an Android, but could not get an iPhone.
Exactly. Everyone I know who owns an Android phone bought it only because the iPhone was not available on their carrier.
And, no matter how great the iPhone is, its very difficult to compete with free or near-free.
If you want the latest iPhone model, you're going to pay $199 minimum.
If you want the latest (released within the last 4-5 months) Android model, you can get a great selection of *much* cheaper alternatives. Hell, T Mobile is selling the Samsung Galaxy S 4g online for free right now along with a whole series of other really good Android devices.
AT&T is selling a refurbed Atrix for $49.99.
And the iPhone was going for $25 last December. There are always deals for those willing to wait a month or look around.
And the iPhone was going for $25 last December. There are always deals for those willing to wait a month or look around.
I think you're talking about the Radio Shack promotion? That's the only iPhone 4 promotion I can think of, and it was limited to a week, if I recall correctly...and it was contingent on you selling back your old model.
Unless we're talking about different things.
Listen, I'm not disparaging Android. My point is that you can get really, *really*, good deals on them that you're almost never going to find on the iPhone....to the point where it can even temp a dedicated iOS user like myself.
That the iPhone is competing as well as it is, is pretty astounding to me.
Your smarmy comment aside, we know exactly how much profit Apple makes from the iPhone product because they post it… every… single… quarter. Tell us how much profit HTC makes from Android 'OS'?
I challenge you to show me where Apple post their iphone profit ... every ... single ... quarter.
In their 10-Q, they mention overall profits, as well as net sales for key products (iphone, ipad, etc.) and no ... mention ... of ... profits .... from ... iPhone. So, no, you do NOT know exactly or even roughly how much profit Apple makes from iphones.
If you can show me where Apple officially mentions their iphone profits, I will apologize.
If you can't, you apologize.
Or, are you going to "quietly slink away"?
BTW, smarmy does not mean what you think it does. So check off English 101 as well when you go sign up for a course in accounting at the local community college.
I challenge you to show me where Apple post their iphone profit ... every ... single ... quarter.
In their 10-Q, they mention overall profits, as well as net sales for key products (iphone, ipad, etc.) and no ... mention ... of ... profits .... from ... iPhone. So, no, you do NOT know exactly or even roughly how much profit Apple makes from iphones.
If you can show me where Apple officially mentions their iphone products, I will apologize.
If you can't, you apologize.
Or, are you going to "quietly slink away"?
BTW, smarmy does not mean what you think it does. So check off English 101 as well when you go sign up for a course in accounting at the local community college.
You are laughable... I can tell you roughly how much they make on iPhones because Apple gives you their gross margin percentage - 41.4%... and even an idiot can infer that the iPhone, because of its high proportion of net sales, must be making, plus or minus 5%, close to that figure of 41.4%... unless you want to tell me that iPhone only makes 20% margin and Macs and iPads make roughly 72% margin.
(oh... and just to let you know... I didn't see anything in there about t-shirts... but if you can find them please let me know, I want to buy one)
You are laughable... I can tell you roughly how much they make on iPhones because Apple gives you their gross margin percentage - 41.4%... and even an idiot can infer that the iPhone, because of its high proportion of net sales, must be making, plus or minus 5%, close to that figure of 41.4%... unless you want to tell me that iPhone only makes 20% margin and Macs and iPads make roughly 72% margin.
(oh... and just to let you know... I didn't see anything in there about t-shirts... but if you can find them please let me know, I want to buy one)
First of all, Sloppyism wrote that he knew "exactly" how much profit Apple makes off iphones because "they post it every year". Since he's seriously wrong on both counts, your defense of him (or are you the same person) is off the mark.
Second, did you take economics or accounting? If you did, you'd know that gross margin does not translate directly to how much profit you truly make off something. Furthermore, if you actually read Apple's 10-Q, you'd know that even your method estimate of the gross margin of the iphone alone is totally unreliable.
Please, if you only read headlines and press releases, are you really qualified to laugh at those who spend time learning the detailed facts?
Ignorance is really not worth showing off. Really not.
First of all, Sloppyism wrote that he knew "exactly" how much profit Apple makes off iphones because "they post it every year". Since he's seriously wrong on both counts, your defense of him (or are you the same person) is off the mark.
Second, did you take economics or accounting? If you did, you'd know that gross margin does not translate directly to how much profit you truly make off something. Furthermore, if you actually read Apple's 10-Q, you'd know that even your method estimate of the gross margin of the iphone alone is totally unreliable.
Please, if you only read headlines and press releases, are you really qualified to laugh at those who spend time learning the detailed facts?
Ignorance is really not worth showing off. Really not.
You spend time learning the detailed facts??!! lolololololol
Reading comprehension isn't just for high school, it's for life... please remember that.
You asked for roughly and that's what I gave you.
Of course gross margin is unreliable... to an extent... and that is exactly why I use the word "infer".
Sorry... I missed the point where you told me that Macs and iPads and iPods must make oodles more than the iPhone in order to accommodate the gross margin figure. Why is that? Oh yeah... because you know you're full of shit.
[ and making fun of Solipsism's handle... how mature... I bet dollars to donuts that you rushed to your dictionary to see what it meant ]
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They always seem to quietly slink away when one asks them actual data......
Slink away? Talk about premature ejac.
From the way I see it, it's the natural order of things. It's like a drought in everglades. Alligators will dig holes down to the water line which will become pools from which other animals drink. Without the alligators these other animals would have fewer numbers. Apple has done this with the iPhone. If not Android some other phone OS would have taken up the back and bottom of the cell market to fill that hole.[/QUOTE]
Now that is funny. Great analogy.
Is iPod Touch a phone??? Is iPad a phone??? Try to stick to SMARTPHONES ecosystems... you know iPhone, iPhone3G, iPhone3gs, iPhone4. When the iPad and iPod can be classified as a phone, you welcome to add them.
Why?? What does platform have togo with making phone calls. Platform is about attracting third party developers...
It really does not matter what devices you count, iOS developers make more money off the iPhone 3GS then android developers do off all Android devices (phone/non phone) combined. Until Android finds away to attract and keep developers, the size of their platform is irrelevant.
Toss in the fact that fragmentation is still a growing problem, manufacturers are still making new phones that will never run 2.2.
Why do you think this market share, limited to just phones and spread accross 5 different versions of Android OS is relevant? How does it matter? What benefit does it provide? Who does it help?
Google has fumbled the platform so badly, the current marketshare is meaningless. I know they are trying to reign it back in, but who knows if they will get the genie back into the bottle.
I've not seen that stat. Can you show it?
It's sarcasm - mocking the fact that people here don't know facts. It's just about passion. That's all right. Not everyone has to be intelligent.
I understand you're stumped. But I am not. By doing quarter to quarter, year to year comparisons, you can make some conjectures about trends. Can I be 100% sure that HTC's increasing profits and revenues are due mostly to smartphones? No. But if you study the data and their financial reports, only an idiot and a recalcitrant Apple zealot would say the conclusion is pretty compelling.
If you keep arguing the point, then explain to me how you say say how much of Apple's profits are from iPhone. Maybe they lose money on iPhones and make it up by selling T-shirts. Intelligence is a good tool. Use it if you have it.
Your smarmy comment aside, we know exactly how much profit Apple makes from the iPhone product because they post it… every… single… quarter. Tell us how much profit HTC makes from Android 'OS'?
If you keep arguing the point, then explain to me how you say say how much of Apple's profits are from iPhone. Maybe they lose money on iPhones and make it up by selling T-shirts. Intelligence is a good tool. Use it if you have it.
Apple reports the revenue per devision so you know where the profits are coming from and it is not T-Shirts. HTC does not report the individual profits of its three major platforms it sells: WinMo, Android and WP7. Android does make up the lions share of the unit sales of these three but we do not know the profits each one brings in. My guess is profit from each handset is a bit more on WP7/WinMo and slightly lower per handset on Android due to much higher competition on the Android handset market.
Profit wise, HTC is the real lone shinning star in the Android eco-system though they have been unable to grow their profit share in any meaningful way in 4 years.
A year ago, and with the 3GS no less, you would have been called crazy to have said that a SINGLE Android phone was outselling the iPhone in 31% of AT&T stores. 100% complete loon. And it goes to show you that Android growth is actually accelerating... was outselling the iPhone by 2:1 and now is outselling it by close to 3:1... Android growth is simply amazing...
I think it goes to show how well a year-old phone which will be replaced soon can stand against the onslaught of new Android phones but that's just me.
Apple has done this with the iPhone. If not Android some other phone OS would have taken up the back and bottom of the cell market to drink from the hole Apple created.
And, no matter how great the iPhone is, its very difficult to compete with free or near-free.
If you want the latest iPhone model, you're going to pay $199 minimum.
If you want the latest (released within the last 4-5 months) Android model, you can get a great selection of *much* cheaper alternatives. Hell, T Mobile is selling the Samsung Galaxy S 4g online for free right now along with a whole series of other really good Android devices.
AT&T is selling a refurbed Atrix for $49.99.
Is iPod Touch a phone??? Is iPad a phone??? Try to stick to SMARTPHONES ecosystems... you know iPhone, iPhone3G, iPhone3gs, iPhone4. When the iPad and iPod can be classified as a phone, you welcome to add them.
Why, yes, they are quite capable of making phone calls. The iPod touch doesn't have that wonderful option of transferring $100 per month to a politically connected, legacy cellphone carrier. Whenever you have a wifi connection you can use Skype, among many options, for making phone calls on the iPod touch and iPad.
Most owners of iPhones and similar devices use telephony only a small fraction of the time. The specially designed internet connected computer is the main attraction of iOS and that is present in all three of the mobile platforms. AppleTV is another iOS device that is not mobile but seems quite likely to broaden the base of the iOS ecosystem. Android isn't in this broader and deeper game yet (ever?) because they don't have the equivalent of the cellphone carriers to prop them up. This may seem obscure or mysterious to consumers but developers have no problem reading the actual numbers.
Your smarmy comment aside, we know exactly how much profit Apple makes from the iPhone product because they post it? every? single? quarter. Tell us how much profit HTC makes from Android 'OS'?
LOL! I can just see this guy... flipping through every page he can find to see if that data is available.
He can't find it... we know that... and now he has to come back with more of his smarmy comments and bullshit.
LOL! I can just see this guy... flipping through every page he can find to see if that data is available.
He can't find it... we know that... and now he has to come back with more of his smarmy comments and bullshit.
"Crap, there's no way I can answer his question. Better project what I've been doing for the past five minutes on to him and make fun of him for it!"
Let me get this out of the way: I believe that something on the order of 80% of all Android sales are not because the user wants an Android, but could not get an iPhone.
Exactly. Everyone I know who owns an Android phone bought it only because the iPhone was not available on their carrier.
And, no matter how great the iPhone is, its very difficult to compete with free or near-free.
If you want the latest iPhone model, you're going to pay $199 minimum.
If you want the latest (released within the last 4-5 months) Android model, you can get a great selection of *much* cheaper alternatives. Hell, T Mobile is selling the Samsung Galaxy S 4g online for free right now along with a whole series of other really good Android devices.
AT&T is selling a refurbed Atrix for $49.99.
And the iPhone was going for $25 last December. There are always deals for those willing to wait a month or look around.
Slink away? Talk about premature ejac.
You're not making a good impression of Android users.....
And the iPhone was going for $25 last December. There are always deals for those willing to wait a month or look around.
I think you're talking about the Radio Shack promotion? That's the only iPhone 4 promotion I can think of, and it was limited to a week, if I recall correctly...and it was contingent on you selling back your old model.
Unless we're talking about different things.
Listen, I'm not disparaging Android. My point is that you can get really, *really*, good deals on them that you're almost never going to find on the iPhone....to the point where it can even temp a dedicated iOS user like myself.
That the iPhone is competing as well as it is, is pretty astounding to me.
Your smarmy comment aside, we know exactly how much profit Apple makes from the iPhone product because they post it… every… single… quarter. Tell us how much profit HTC makes from Android 'OS'?
I challenge you to show me where Apple post their iphone profit ... every ... single ... quarter.
In their 10-Q, they mention overall profits, as well as net sales for key products (iphone, ipad, etc.) and no ... mention ... of ... profits .... from ... iPhone. So, no, you do NOT know exactly or even roughly how much profit Apple makes from iphones.
If you can show me where Apple officially mentions their iphone profits, I will apologize.
If you can't, you apologize.
Or, are you going to "quietly slink away"?
BTW, smarmy does not mean what you think it does. So check off English 101 as well when you go sign up for a course in accounting at the local community college.
I challenge you to show me where Apple post their iphone profit ... every ... single ... quarter.
In their 10-Q, they mention overall profits, as well as net sales for key products (iphone, ipad, etc.) and no ... mention ... of ... profits .... from ... iPhone. So, no, you do NOT know exactly or even roughly how much profit Apple makes from iphones.
If you can show me where Apple officially mentions their iphone products, I will apologize.
If you can't, you apologize.
Or, are you going to "quietly slink away"?
BTW, smarmy does not mean what you think it does. So check off English 101 as well when you go sign up for a course in accounting at the local community college.
You are laughable... I can tell you roughly how much they make on iPhones because Apple gives you their gross margin percentage - 41.4%... and even an idiot can infer that the iPhone, because of its high proportion of net sales, must be making, plus or minus 5%, close to that figure of 41.4%... unless you want to tell me that iPhone only makes 20% margin and Macs and iPads make roughly 72% margin.
(oh... and just to let you know... I didn't see anything in there about t-shirts... but if you can find them please let me know, I want to buy one)
Fix the antenna problem.........
And make the iPhone lighter (get rid of the glass, go to plastic/aluminum, anything lighter).
You are laughable... I can tell you roughly how much they make on iPhones because Apple gives you their gross margin percentage - 41.4%... and even an idiot can infer that the iPhone, because of its high proportion of net sales, must be making, plus or minus 5%, close to that figure of 41.4%... unless you want to tell me that iPhone only makes 20% margin and Macs and iPads make roughly 72% margin.
(oh... and just to let you know... I didn't see anything in there about t-shirts... but if you can find them please let me know, I want to buy one)
First of all, Sloppyism wrote that he knew "exactly" how much profit Apple makes off iphones because "they post it every year". Since he's seriously wrong on both counts, your defense of him (or are you the same person) is off the mark.
Second, did you take economics or accounting? If you did, you'd know that gross margin does not translate directly to how much profit you truly make off something. Furthermore, if you actually read Apple's 10-Q, you'd know that even your method estimate of the gross margin of the iphone alone is totally unreliable.
Please, if you only read headlines and press releases, are you really qualified to laugh at those who spend time learning the detailed facts?
Ignorance is really not worth showing off. Really not.
First of all, Sloppyism wrote that he knew "exactly" how much profit Apple makes off iphones because "they post it every year". Since he's seriously wrong on both counts, your defense of him (or are you the same person) is off the mark.
Second, did you take economics or accounting? If you did, you'd know that gross margin does not translate directly to how much profit you truly make off something. Furthermore, if you actually read Apple's 10-Q, you'd know that even your method estimate of the gross margin of the iphone alone is totally unreliable.
Please, if you only read headlines and press releases, are you really qualified to laugh at those who spend time learning the detailed facts?
Ignorance is really not worth showing off. Really not.
You spend time learning the detailed facts??!! lolololololol
Reading comprehension isn't just for high school, it's for life... please remember that.
You asked for roughly and that's what I gave you.
Of course gross margin is unreliable... to an extent... and that is exactly why I use the word "infer".
Sorry... I missed the point where you told me that Macs and iPads and iPods must make oodles more than the iPhone in order to accommodate the gross margin figure. Why is that? Oh yeah... because you know you're full of shit.
[ and making fun of Solipsism's handle... how mature... I bet dollars to donuts that you rushed to your dictionary to see what it meant ]