Things we should do in the War on Terror

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My grade for the adminstration so far on this issue? B+.



I support many of their actions, especially given the unprecedented nature of what they are doing. I do think there is more that need to be done.



1. At all costs, capture or kill UBL. If it means US ground troop casualties, then so be it. It has to be done. If that wouldn't be giving one's life for one's country, what would be?



2. Demand, absolutely demand that Israel finds a lasting solution to the Palestinian conflict. Set up a Palestinian state...now. Tell Israel..."go to war or don't". Either have a full-out military campaign or withdraw completely. This "in and out" approach with their military is ridiculous. The situation causes anti-Americanism more than people realize.



3. Begin the systematic ending of Islamic schools that preach anti-Americansim...no, anti-Westernsim. Time to cash in some chips with Pakisan and Saudi Arabia. These schools are centers of hatred. End them.



4. Racially profile Arabs. Period. That doesn't mean that we have a WWII Japanese American scare all over again. It means that while all Arabs are NOT terrorists, many terrorists ARE Arabs....in fact, the vast majority are. Many Arab Americans SUPPORT profiling. It must be done. The people out to destroy western civilization as we know it generally look a certain way. It's a fact. That fact has to be used at airports, ports of entry, etc. Time to stop strip searching the new moms with babies and 80 year old grandmothers.



5. End illegal immigration by making border security the military's job. What good is a $400 billion defense budget if we can't secure our borders? This would also help with the war on drugs.



6. Saudi Arabia: After Iraq, it's time for them to pay the piper. It's time to for them to have major human rights reform and make the transition to a democratic government that does not support terror. If they can't, sorry folks, time to leave. The majority of 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. It's time for their government to TOTALLY and COMPLETELY cooperate. They must actively seek to destroy, not contain, terrorists.



7. End all trade and aid to any country caught supporting terrorism in any intentional way. Iran? See ya. Sudan? buh-bye.



8. Organize US muslim leaders. We need public statements by high profile muslim leaders condeming terror.



9. Completely reform the INS. Adopt extremely tough immigration standards. Sadly, it does not seem that much has changed on that front.



10. Increase, yet further, the number of CIA and military operations around the world to hunt and kill terrorists in every corner of the globe.



Other thoughts?



[ 02-13-2003: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
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  • Reply 1 of 36
    [quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:

    <strong>Time to stop strip searching the new moms with babies and 80 year old grandmothers.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    What about the muslim and/or arab new moms with babies and 80 year old grandmothers?
  • Reply 2 of 36
    noahjnoahj Posts: 4,503member
    I hope you donned your fireproof underoo's...
  • Reply 3 of 36
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    [quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:

    <strong>My grade for the adminstration so far on this issue? B+.



    I support many of their actions, especially given the unprecedented nature of what they are doing. I do think there is more that need to be done.



    1. At all costs, capture or kill UBL. If it means US ground troop casualties, then so be it. It has to be done. If that wouldn't be giving one's life for one's country, what would be?



    2. Demand, absolutely demand that Israel finds a lasting solution to the Palestinian conflict. Set up a Palestinian state...now. Tell Israel..."go to war or don't". Either have a full-out military campaign or withdraw completely. This "in and out" approach with their military is ridiculous. The situation causes anti-Americanism more than people realize.



    3. Begin the systematic ending of Islamic schools that preach anti-Americansim...no, anti-Westernsim. Time to cash in some chips with Pakisan and Saudi Arabia. These schools are centers of hatred. End them.



    4. Racially profile Arabs. Period. That doesn't mean that we have a WWII Japanese American scare all over again. It means that while all Arabs are NOT terrorists, many terrorists ARE Arabs....in fact, the vast majority are. Many Arab Americans SUPPORT profiling. It must be done. The people out to destroy western civilization as we know it generally look a certain way. It's a fact. That fact has to be used at airports, ports of entry, etc. Time to stop strip searching the new moms with babies and 80 year old grandmothers.



    5. End illegal immigration by making border security the military's job. What good is a $400 billion defense budget if we can't secure our borders? This would also help with the war on drugs.



    6. Saudi Arabia: After Iraq, it's time for them to pay the piper. It's time to for them to have major human rights reform and make the transition to a democratic government that does not support terror. If they can't, sorry folks, time to leave. The majority of 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. It's time for their government to TOTALLY and COMPLETELY cooperate. They must actively seek to destroy, not contain, terrorists.



    7. End all trade and aid to any country caught supporting terrorism in any intentional way. Iran? See ya. Sudan? buh-bye.



    8. Organize US muslim leaders. We need public statements by high profile muslim leaders condeming terror.



    9. Completely reform the INS. Adopt extremely tough immigration standards. Sadly, it does not seem that much has changed on that front.



    10. Increase, yet further, the number of CIA and military operations around the world to hunt and kill terrorists in every corner of the globe.



    Other thoughts?



    [ 02-13-2003: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    And people wonder why Americans are hated around the world. Timothy McVie certainly didn't look very Arabic to me.

  • Reply 4 of 36
    For a country that has fought for Polical Correctness and Tolerance these last twenty years you certainly don't show it.



    All I see is Political Casuistry and Intolerance lately.



    Be careful who you call enemies, because you may already be someone elses.



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  • Reply 5 of 36
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    [quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:

    <strong>...



    2. Demand, absolutely demand that Israel finds a lasting solution to the Palestinian conflict. Set up a Palestinian state...now. Tell Israel..."go to war or don't". Either have a full-out military campaign or withdraw completely. This "in and out" approach with their military is ridiculous. The situation causes anti-Americanism more than people realize. ...





    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    You lost me there. Israel can't have peace when most of the arab world is determined to push the jews into the ocean. You need to "demand" that the arab muslims make peace with the jews.



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  • Reply 6 of 36
    [quote] And people wonder why Americans are hated around the world. Timothy McVie certainly didn't look very Arabic to me. <hr></blockquote>



    please add:



    end all militias in the United States.



    profile all ex-service personnel...

    ie: timothy mcvie, that maryland/virginia sniper



    federal tracking/registration/fingerprinting of all firearms....



    profile all right to life people...they tend to bomb clinics and shoot doctors and bomb gay clubs and such



    g



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  • Reply 7 of 36
    i fear a world where sdw is in control.
  • Reply 8 of 36
    SDW2001 should apply for the next remake of 12 Angry Men. He would be a perfect Juror #10.
  • Reply 9 of 36
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,079member
    Wow. Just, wow. The fact that what I posted could cause these types of responses just amazes me. Interesting that few of you seem to have your own ideas, or are able to point out the specific flaws in what I posted. That is except for Scott...I see his point though I'm not sure what else can be done other than setting up statehood.



    Please tell me what in my post is unreasonable or extremeist. I knew the profiling thing would be unpopular here...but it is already happening as we speak...just not as a matter of public policy.



    Seriously, what are YOUR thoughts?



    [ 02-13-2003: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
  • Reply 10 of 36
    [quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:

    <strong>Wow. Just, wow. The fact that what I posted could cause these types of responses just amazes me. Interesting that few of you seem to have your own ideas, or are able to point out the specific flaws in what I posted. That is except for Scott...I see his point though I'm not sure what else can be done other than setting up statehood.



    Please tell me what in my post is unreasonable or extremeist. I knew the profiling thing would be unpopular here...but it is already happening as we speak...just not as a matter of public policy.



    Seriously, what are YOUR thoughts?



    [ 02-13-2003: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I agree with your ideas. People dont seem to be able to differentiate idealism and realism.
  • Reply 11 of 36
    simple...if we profile, we do it right...include pro life and ex military...they are the most likely to cause domestic terror if recent history is to be used as an example....you can also target extreme left and right groups and muslims...and forcibly shut down all militias....that would be a realistic start if you want to "win the war on terror"....g
  • Reply 12 of 36
    i'm +1 with satchmo's point up there but to shed a bit of light on your second point about isreal...



    UN resoultions clearly aren't working so i guess it's up to you no nonsense, hard nosed, democratic(!) supporters of invasion to send your troops to sort out the rest of us that don't live inside your glass house of america. i mean you really have worked out the finer details of a fair and just society with your internal affairs and i agree completely that the world is destined to be a better place to live once bush and his lackeys plans have fully transpired.



    Resolution 59 OCTOBER 19, 1948 - Concern that Israel had not investigated the assassination of a UN Special Representative.



    Resolution 93 MAY 18, 1951 - Called on Israel to allow the return of Palestinians evicted by Israeli forces from the demilitarized zone and to stop the draining of marshes and lakes in Upper Galilee



    Resolution 101 NOVEMBER 24, 1953 - Expressesed its strongest censure of Isreal's attack on the Palestinian village of Qibya



    Resolution 106 MARCH 29, 1955 - Condemns Israel for raid on Gaza



    Resolution 111 JANUARY 19, 1956 - Condemns Israel for raid on Syria



    Resolution 127 JANUARY 22, 1958 - Recommends that Israel should suspend its "no-man's zone" in Jerusalem.



    Resolution 162 APRIL 11, 1961 - Urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.



    Resolution 171 APRIL 9, 1962 - Determines flagrant violations by isreal in its attack on Syria



    Resolution 237 JUNE 14, 1967 - Urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees



    Resolution 242 NOVEMBER 22, 1967 - Affirms the Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the six day war



    Resolution 248 MARCH 24, 1968 - Condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan



    Resolution 250 APRIL 27, 1968 - Calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.



    Resolution 251 MAY 2, 1968 - Deeply Deplores Isaeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250



    Resolution 252 MAY 21, 1968 - Declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.



    Resolution 256 AUGUST 16, 1968 - Condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation



    Resolution 259 SEPTEMBER 27, 1968 - Deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation



    Resolution 262 DECEMBER 31, 1968 - Condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport



    Resolution 265 APRIL 1, 1968 - Condemns Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan



    Resolution 267 JULY 3, 1969 - Censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem



    Resolution 270 AUGUST 26, 1969 - Condemns Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon



    Resolution 271 SEPTEMBER 15, 1969 - Condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem



    Resolution 279 MAY 12, 1970 - Demands withdrawl of Israeli forces from Lebanon



    Resolution 280 MAY 19, 1970 - Condemns Israeli attacks against Lebanon



    Resolution 285 SEPTEMBER 5, 1970 - Demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon



    Resolution 298 SEPTEMBER 25, 1971 - Deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem



    Resolution 313 FEBRUARY 28, 1972 - Demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon



    Resolution 316 JUNE 26, 1972 - Condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon



    Resolution 317 JULY 21, 1972 - Deplores Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon



    Resolution 332 APRIL 21, 1973 - Condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon



    Resolution 337 AUGUST 15, 1973 - Condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty



    Resolution 338 C Calls upon all parties to present fighting to cease all firing and terminate all military activity immediately



    Resolution 346 APRIL 8, 1974 -



    Resolution 347 APRIL 24, 1974 - Condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon



    Resolution 425 MARCH 19, 1978 - Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon



    Resolution 427 MAY 3, 1978 - Calls on Israel to Withdraw its forces from Lebanon



    Resolution 444 JANUARY 19, 1979 - Deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces



    Resolution 446 MARCH 22, 1979 - Determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention



    Resolution 450 JUNE 14, 1979 - Calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon



    Resolution 452 JULY 20, 1979 - Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories



    Resolution 465 MARCH 1, 1980 - Deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program



    Resolution 467 APRIL 24, 1980 - Strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon



    Resolution 468 MAY 8, 1980 - Calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return



    Resolution 469 MAY 20, 1980 - Strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians



    Resolution 471 JUNE 5, 1980 - Expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention



    Resolution 476 JUNE 30, 1980 - Reiterates that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are null and void.



    Resolution 478 AUGUST 20, 1980 - Censures Israel in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law



    Resolution 484 December 19, 1980 - Declares it imperative that Israel readmit two deported Palestinain mayors



    Resolution 487 JUNE 19, 1981 - Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility



    Resolution 497 DECEMBER 17, 1981 - Decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is null and void and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith



    Resolution 498 DECEMBER 18, 1981 - Calls on Isreal to withdraw from Lebanon



    Resolution 501 FEBRUARY 25, 1982 - Calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and to withdraw its troops



    Resolution 509 JUNE 6, 1982 - Demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon



    Resolution 515 JULY 29, 1982 - Demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in



    Resolution 517 AUGUST 12, 1982 - Censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon



    Resolution 518 AUGUST 12, 1982 - Demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon



    Resolution 520 SEPTEMBER 17, 1982 - Condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut



    Resolution 573 OCTOBER 4, 1985 - Condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in an attack on PLO headquarters



    Resolution 587 SEPTEMBER 23, 1986 - Takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw



    Resolution 592 DECEMBER 8, 1986 - Strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops



    Resolution 605 DECEMBER 22, 1987 - Strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Plaestinians



    Resolution 607 JANUARY 5, 1988 - Calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention



    Resolution 608 JANAUARY 14, 1988 - Deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians



    Resolution 636 JULY 6, 1989 - Deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinians



    Resolution 641 AUGUST 30 ,1989 - Deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians



    Resolution 672 OCTOBER 12, 1990 - Condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount



    Resolution 673 OCTOBER 24, 1990 - Deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations



    Resolution 681 DECEMBER 20, 1990 - Deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians



    Resolution 694 MAY 24, 1991 - Deplores Israels deportaiton of Palestinians and calls for their immediate return



    Resolution 726 JANUARY 6, 1992 - Strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians



    Resolution 799 DECEMBER 18, 1992 - Strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return



    Resolution 904 MARCH 18, 1994 - Strongly condemns the massacre in Hebron and its aftermath which took the lives of more than 50 Palestinian civilians and injured several hundred others



    Resolution 1073 SEPTEMBER 28, 1996 - Expressing its deep concern about the tragic events in Jerusalem and the areas of Nablus, Ramallah, Bethlehem and the Gaza Strip, which resulted in a high number of deaths and injuries among the Palestinian civilians
  • Reply 13 of 36
    [quote]3. Begin the systematic ending of Islamic schools that preach anti-Americansim. <hr></blockquote>

    That's just so........UNAMERICAN!!
  • Reply 14 of 36
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    I like the Constitution thanks, we should avoid many of those things.



    Freedom rocks. State control does not rock.
  • Reply 15 of 36
    i (again) bow to the superior words of groverat...ignore my remarks...grover's words ring loud and true....g
  • Reply 16 of 36
    the us doesn't have the right to go fuking around with the whole world. we, americans, may not be right about everything relating to world policy. going in and changin their schools would end up slanting their education in our favor, which isn't right. they are sovereign and have the right over their own education systems. i'm more of an isolationist; leave them to their own devices. its those peoples' right, if they so choose, to be antiAmerica (or antiWest). the only bad part is acting on that. crimes should be illegal, not ideas.
  • Reply 17 of 36
    [quote]I support many of their actions, especially given the unprecedented nature of what they are doing. I do think there is more that need to be done.



    --SNIP wimpy suggestions--



    Other thoughts?<hr></blockquote>Wimp. We should just blow up Mecca. That'll teach em.
  • Reply 18 of 36
    It would help if all terrorists and terrorist groups were included in our currently selective "war of terror".



    A sampling:



    The Provisional IRA is responsible for more deaths and injuries (in the UK and Europe) than many of the feared Muslim groups. Their fundraising HQ, "NORAID", is ironically in Manhattan, and very much in operation.



    The "School of the Americas" recently renamed "The Western Hemisphere Institute for Security

    Cooperation" of Fort Benning, Georgia has been training terrorists and Central Anerican death squads for decades. The graduate list reads like a who's who of Central American terrorism, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands. And we the US taxpayers shell out some $20 million annually for this abomination.

    <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/booker0617.html"; target="_blank">http://www.counterpunch.org/booker0617.html</a>;



    It would help our credibility if we didn't appoint people with links to terrorist groups to positions of power and authority:



    John Negroponte (US Ambassador to the UN) for starters: He was confirmed by the Senate shortly after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, had been the U.S. ambassador in Honduras during the time of the dirty wars in Central America in the 1980s. He was intimately linked with the terrorist activities of Contra guerillas fighting to overthrow the Nicaraguan government and death squads operating within the Honduran military.



    Then there's Otto Reich, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs. Reich, a Cuban American, had a key role in the Reagan administration's Iran-Contra scandal. Reich is also accused of helping anti-Castro Cuban Orlando Bosch to come to the U.S. Bosch had been imprisoned in Venezuela for 11 years for his part in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban civilian airliner that killed 73. After arriving in the U.S., Bosch received a presidential pardon from former President George Bush. Jeez....Mr Bush does pick 'em.



    Its good for the world to clean its act up. There's everything right in cleaning ours up too....and abandon the godawful duplicity that makes us look like a bunch of jerks.
  • Reply 19 of 36
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member




    yep, that's all the same. I would like to know who shaves their armpits, I don't, but I'm a guy, anyone else?
  • Reply 19 of 36
    fran441fran441 Posts: 3,715member
    Wait, you make a list of 10 radical things the government should do in the War on Terror to make sure the world is a safer place but you give a B+ to the current administration?



    I agree that we need to capture or kill UBL. I've been hoping they would get him ever since this War on Terror began.



    But the thing that concerns me is that they haven't even captured Mullah Omar and they think they can get Hussein within 48 hours of an invasion of Iraq?



    Other than that, though, I think that some of the things on the list could actually make things worse.



    Trying to force peace between the Palestinians and Israelis isn't going to work unless both sides want to work for it. There are still going to be many problems (and deaths from terrorists) even if the majority of both sides and their governments come to an agreement.



    Ending trade to governments suspected of supporting terror could lead to more situations like North Korea and could force us into a military conflict like the one that is going to be coming against Iraq. After all, isn't it a bad idea to impose sanctions on a country to make them your friend?



    It's like trying to make an enemy a friend by saying, "If you don't start liking me, I won't give you a cookie."



    Ending Islamic schools probably isn't going to work no matter what we do. After all, there are people that hate the West and will preach it until the end of time. It probably won't help matters if we close these schools down without providing some other means of education for these kids. This will most likely be seen as us meddling in affairs of their religion and not help us improve our image/relations.



    As for Saudi Arabia, they are never going to pay the piper as long as they are an ally who will sell us oil. It's pretty simple actually. We get oil, we leave them alone. I don't see the current administration doing any thing to the Saudis any time soon.



    As for our borders, unless we are going to build walls at our borders, people are going to cross into the US. We can try and increase security but people will get in.



    The INS is a joke right now and an embarassment to the country. The problem is that a new organization with equal funding will probably be just as bad, especially in having to keep track of people who are already here. Imagine the nightmares in transitioning the information they have on people here now to an entirely new organization. If anything, we'll see an INS+ but not a new organization, especially now.



    Finally, you talk about the US Muslim leaders and how they need to be more vocal in condemning terror. But the truth is, last time I checked there weren't any terrorist attacks coming from American Muslims. Plus how do we know that the US Muslim leaders aren't already saying enough about the subject at religious services? Take the Catholic Church here in New England for example. The leaders of the churches weren't very vocal to the national media about the child abuse scandals, but Priests spoke on the subject during Mass to their own parishes.



    I appreciate the fact that you are trying to come up with ways we can win the WOT as quickly and painlessly as possible, but I think that we are walking a very fine line right now as it is, and upsetting the wrong people at the wrong time can only make things worse.
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