I would also ask, is it not racist to be flabbergasted at the idea that the classic European elite races (German and French lines) might not be the future of Europe? Kind of like a Southern white man scoffing at the idea of blacks and hispanics growing in importance?
<strong>I would also ask, is it not racist to be flabbergasted at the idea that the classic European elite races (German and French lines) might not be the future of Europe? Kind of like a Southern white man scoffing at the idea of blacks and hispanics growing in importance?
No! Of course not!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, that would be racist.
Who's doing that please? Please quote me if you can see me making ANY reference to that issue AT ALL.
Anywhere.
Your strength always used to be in finding inconsistencies within what people ACTUALLY SAID Grover. Shame ...
The interviewer stoops to the congressman's level with politically biased jabs.
Some posters in this thread responding with silly things like comparing Bush to Hitler.
This is all so ridiculous. No European outrage when a Canadian government official calls Bush a "moron", hell only chuckles, and that's fine. Turn that around all of the sudden the president is Hitler.
It was a pathetic display. He sounded like O'Reilly or some other schmuck rather than a Congressman. I think it was clearly intentional, like Rumsfeld's "old Europe" comments, but cruder. It wasn't just a fit of anger that slipped out. I suppose the strategy is to try to isolate and humiliate into signing on. But I think France will sign on anyway, so it just seems gratuitous.
[quote] Remember that John Ashcroft lost to a dead man in his last run for the Senate.
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No, he did not. Our interim governor publicly announced that Jean Carnahan would fill the senate seat if Mel Carnahan, whose name was on the already printed ballots, were elected. The people of Missouri knew exactly who they voted for. John Ashcroft did not lose to a dead man, he lost to Jean Carnahan, and barely. Florida did not hold the monoply on election fiascos that night. Many of our polling places were inadequate and many of those were kept open late to compensate. The winner of that election was truly determined by which election rules the court decided were more important.
I do not come from a state that elected a dead man. I come from a state that elected a living, breathing, and competent woman.
As to the original thread topic, Realone player insists that it can't play the file so I haven't heard it and cannot comment. I have, however, read the comments here and there is a lot of talk about racism. Could someone post the racist comments for me? I see a few excerpts posted already, but they all deal with nationalism and not racism, which is an altogether different thing.
This is all so ridiculous. No European outrage when a Canadian government official calls Bush a "moron", hell only chuckles, and that's fine. Turn that around all of the sudden the president is Hitler.
Laughable.</strong><hr></blockquote>
God, you're being a muppet today.
Both the Canadian and German officials who made these (weaker) comments issued grovelling apologies and resigned from their positions.
Outrage from Europe over comments made about and American president by a Canadian? Not going to happen. About as likely as outrage from Canada over comments made about Europe by an American congressman. You don't weigh in to other's diplomatic positioning. Statecraft 101.
I will say that there is a weird thing: Anti-Americanism grows in leaps and bounds, exponentially . . . it glides off the lips, lips that never even think twice about its hyperbole . . . it's as if everybody thinks they will get a pat on the back for 'sticking it to cowboys'
I dreaad the thought that actual state interactions are motivated by such easy and stupid sentiments
then again:
I will say that there is a weird thing: Anti-Frenchism ("old Europe") grows in leaps and bounds, exponentially . . . it glides off the lips, lips that never even think twice about its hyperbole . . . it's as if everybody thinks they will get a pat on the back for 'sticking it to frogs'
I dread the thought that actual state interactions are motivated by such easy and stupid sentiments
anyway...can someone transcribe the interview...or just say who it was
You must've missed the part where I said "and that's fine."
I don't care that a Canadian said that about Bush (what the hell is Canada anyway? ). I don't remember what a German said about Bush, and I don't care. It certainly wouldn't enrage me to the point where I start saying that Schroeder reminds me of Hitler. *That's* the inconsistency I'm talking about. That's what I find laughable.
This is ONE of FIVE HUNDRED & THIRTY FIVE members of Congress for God's sake!
Implication of large population and non-specific persons in immoral belief structure and behavior. Unsubstantiated generalization. Four letter word! Accusation followed by righteous self affirmation! Repetition of previous statement followeed by expletive!
Support for above statement with no substantiated evidence! Presentation of flawed historical analogies. Expression of outrage. Paranoid statement about personal safety!
OK. we will all agree that this kind of steroetypes, whenever they came from one or other side of the atlantic north is stupid. They are idiot politicians everywhere, who let help developping countriephobia among the public opinion.
I moved this thread to FSC . Sometimes i wonder if the world is not a FSC forum.
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No! Of course not!
<strong>I would also ask, is it not racist to be flabbergasted at the idea that the classic European elite races (German and French lines) might not be the future of Europe? Kind of like a Southern white man scoffing at the idea of blacks and hispanics growing in importance?
No! Of course not!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes, that would be racist.
Who's doing that please? Please quote me if you can see me making ANY reference to that issue AT ALL.
Anywhere.
Your strength always used to be in finding inconsistencies within what people ACTUALLY SAID Grover. Shame ...
<strong>Who's doing that please? Please quote me if you can see me making ANY reference to that issue AT ALL.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Did you listen to the interviewer and his reaction? Was he not completely taken aback at the very idea?
It's obvious he thought the congressman's assertion was ridiculous, do you deny it?
The interviewer stoops to the congressman's level with politically biased jabs.
Some posters in this thread responding with silly things like comparing Bush to Hitler.
This is all so ridiculous. No European outrage when a Canadian government official calls Bush a "moron", hell only chuckles, and that's fine. Turn that around all of the sudden the president is Hitler.
Laughable.
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No, he did not. Our interim governor publicly announced that Jean Carnahan would fill the senate seat if Mel Carnahan, whose name was on the already printed ballots, were elected. The people of Missouri knew exactly who they voted for. John Ashcroft did not lose to a dead man, he lost to Jean Carnahan, and barely. Florida did not hold the monoply on election fiascos that night. Many of our polling places were inadequate and many of those were kept open late to compensate. The winner of that election was truly determined by which election rules the court decided were more important.
I do not come from a state that elected a dead man. I come from a state that elected a living, breathing, and competent woman.
As to the original thread topic, Realone player insists that it can't play the file so I haven't heard it and cannot comment. I have, however, read the comments here and there is a lot of talk about racism. Could someone post the racist comments for me? I see a few excerpts posted already, but they all deal with nationalism and not racism, which is an altogether different thing.
(Edited for grammar and probably will be again)
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This is all so ridiculous. No European outrage when a Canadian government official calls Bush a "moron", hell only chuckles, and that's fine. Turn that around all of the sudden the president is Hitler.
Laughable.</strong><hr></blockquote>
God, you're being a muppet today.
Both the Canadian and German officials who made these (weaker) comments issued grovelling apologies and resigned from their positions.
Outrage from Europe over comments made about and American president by a Canadian? Not going to happen. About as likely as outrage from Canada over comments made about Europe by an American congressman. You don't weigh in to other's diplomatic positioning. Statecraft 101.
I will say that there is a weird thing: Anti-Americanism grows in leaps and bounds, exponentially . . . it glides off the lips, lips that never even think twice about its hyperbole . . . it's as if everybody thinks they will get a pat on the back for 'sticking it to cowboys'
I dreaad the thought that actual state interactions are motivated by such easy and stupid sentiments
then again:
I will say that there is a weird thing: Anti-Frenchism ("old Europe") grows in leaps and bounds, exponentially . . . it glides off the lips, lips that never even think twice about its hyperbole . . . it's as if everybody thinks they will get a pat on the back for 'sticking it to frogs'
I dread the thought that actual state interactions are motivated by such easy and stupid sentiments
anyway...can someone transcribe the interview...or just say who it was
You must've missed the part where I said "and that's fine."
I don't care that a Canadian said that about Bush (what the hell is Canada anyway?
This is ONE of FIVE HUNDRED & THIRTY FIVE members of Congress for God's sake!
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Plea for support!
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I moved this thread to FSC
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