Amazon is selling them unlocked for $489, and I would expect they're making a profit on the sale, likely their favored 30%. And ATT should be getting a better deal from Apple than Amazon would. I'm guessing closer to $300, perhaps less.
Except the model that is on Amazon is a 16G 3Gs and is sold by a third party, not by Amazon themselves. There are no reviews on it, so I am not sure if it is actually selling. Also, it is hard to tell if this is a jailbroken model or not, as it is referred to as "Unlocked" The model that AT&T currently sells, subsidized for $49 is an 8G model. AT&T doesn't show the non-contract price on the website, so it's hard to tell what the retail price is.
I think $489 is probably closer to todays price than $549 since thats the price the 3GS was new when it launched. Apple could sell the phone for far cheaper than that now.
You fail to understand the concept of growth rates. Android has remained steady at about 27% of activations, while Apple has GROWN in percentage. That 17% was only 10% last quarter. Next quarter if may be 25%, the quarter after that, who knows. Or, maybe it could go down. But the point is, Apple's share of new activations is GROWING, while Android's share (while larger) appears to have leveled off.
This is all to be expected, anyway. Look at the iPhone on carriers where they compete with Android (primarily internationally until the Verizon iPhone). iPhone wins in a landslide over Android. The ONLY reason for Android's phenomenal growth has been a lack of iPhone on Verizon. Lo and behold! Now that Android really has to compete against the big dog, their growth plateaus. Wait until all the Droids sold prior to Feb 2011 come up for renewal - then we'll really see a bloodbath in Android's numbers. They only bought the Droid in the first place because the iPhone was unavailable.
Yeah, I don't understand. Look, the fact is that the end result was apple had lower percentage of new activation than existing market share. That in NO way indicates "leading in growth".
If you want to claim, "Apple rebounds, loses less market share than before", then OK. But you can't "lead growth" by getting a little over 1/2 the activations of the market leader.
Responding to your own troll is pretty lame. Listen, you just joined today but if you are going to be a successful troll on AppleInsider you need to be more subtle. Guys like DaHarder were always posting pictures of their glorious Android devices. Maybe you could start by doing the same. Then at least we could get an idea of where your trolling is coming from. Eventually you'll get banned but, while you're here, try to earn some respect, okay?
This kid has to be really embarrassed to troll in public this badly. Oh, well - live and learn.
Responding to your own troll is pretty lame. Listen, you just joined today but if you are going to be a successful troll on AppleInsider you need to be more subtle. Guys like DaHarder were always posting pictures of their glorious Android devices. Maybe you could start by doing the same. Then at least we could get an idea of where your trolling is coming from. Eventually you'll get banned but, while you're here, try to earn some respect, okay?
Well, I was just blown away by the claim that "apple leads growth" based on 17% of new activations vs. 27% for android. Seems pretty delusional.
I felt it needed calling out. Call it trolling, or whatever. I probably won't ever be back here so I don't care. If they don't want trolls they shouldn't post troll bait.
Yeah, I have an Android. Samsung Infuse. Blows away my wife's and my daughter's iPhones, absolutely no contest. So what? The point is that you don't "lead" by being outsold, or by selling lower percentage than your existing market share.
well, I'm pretty sure that if you are dense enough to reply to yourself, and chuckle at your own obtuseness, you are too dense to understand the concept of relative rates of growth, so clearly explained to you.
take a nap, maybe it will make sense to you if you actually wake up...alternatively, you could troll a different thread.
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Originally Posted by OhReally
Yeah, I don't understand. Look, the fact is that the end result was apple had lower percentage of new activation than existing market share. That in NO way indicates "leading in growth".
If you want to claim, "Apple rebounds, loses less market share than before", then OK. But you can't "lead growth" by getting a little over 1/2 the activations of the market leader.
Well, I was just blown away by the claim that "apple leads growth" based on 17% of new activations vs. 27% for android. Seems pretty delusional.
So lets get this right - you must also think that Nokia is still king because they are still the biggest maker of handsets globally. Right? Because the last sales figures I saw Nokia sold more handsets than the entire smartphone segment.
What does this mean? Is it saying that iPhone owners are choosing Android for 38% of their new purchases and only 27% are buying an iPhone for their next phone? I find this hard to believe.
That is a very telling statistic. I guarantee that my wife and daughter will be buying android next time out, now that they have seen my android.
Hey, it is true the iphone revolutionized the cell phone, but that was then. Now, it isn't competitive and the closed system turns people off.
So lets get this right - you must also think that Nokia is still king because they are still the biggest maker of handsets globally. Right? Because the last sales figures I saw Nokia sold more handsets than the entire smartphone segment.
Seems pretty delusional.
Did Nokia activate more smart phones than anyone else during the quarter? Uh, lets see ... no, that would be Android. So what are you talking about?
well, I'm pretty sure that if you are dense enough to reply to yourself, and chuckle at your own obtuseness, you are too dense to understand the concept of relative rates of growth, so clearly explained to you.
take a nap, maybe it will make sense to you if you actually wake up...alternatively, you could troll a different thread.
Yeah, well, you need to wake up. Yeah, I understand, Apple lost less market share this quarter than last. But they still lost market share. How is that leading growth? Of course, it will all be moot in another year when apple's market share continues to decline to the point that even fan boys can't explain it away. Then, it will be the same old apple "exclusivity" arguments like it is with their PCs.
Did Nokia activate more smart phones than anyone else during the quarter? Uh, lets see ... no, that would be Android. So what are you talking about?
Why emphasize smartphones over regular phones? Because the smartphone segment is growing. See growth in share matters, and Apple's share is growing terribly fast.
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That is a very telling statistic.
You realize that the comment that you consider a telling statistic is where the guy mixes up the two completely different sets of statistics in the report right? So the telling statistic you think you read is a complete misunderstanding and nothing more.
That's a very telling fact. Yep you're definitely not trolling, this is genuine cluelessness.
They will catch up more if AT&T buys T-Mobile. I'm thinking US regulators will be stupid and let it happen due to AT&T's massive lobbying effort.
(The iPhone could save Sprint if they can get it soon enough. I honestly don't know why they don't have it yet now that a CDMA iPhone is available. Sprint should be begging Apple for it night and day offering a portion of subscription fees like AT&T used to pay*. They could finally have it and say "hey we're the only one with a full unlimited data plan - the cheapest price for an iPhone")
17% is not bad for a pair of designs that are 1 and 2 years old, respectively, and only available from two carriers. This against wave after wave of android phones in all shapes, sizes, and prices and carriers.
They will catch up more if AT&T buys T-Mobile. I'm thinking US regulators will be stupid and let it happen due to AT&T's massive lobbying effort.
(The iPhone could save Sprint if they can get it soon enough. I honestly don't know why they don't have it yet now that a CDMA iPhone is available. Sprint should be begging Apple for it night and day offering a portion of subscription fees like AT&T used to pay*. They could finally have it and say "hey we're the only one with a full unlimited data plan - the cheapest price for an iPhone")
*hopefully my info is right here
iPhone 5 will hopefully be available for all of the US carrier including Sprint and T-Mobile (until AT&T gobbles them up).
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
17% is not bad for a pair of designs that are 1 and 2 years old, respectively, and only available from two carriers. This against wave after wave of android phones in all shapes, sizes, and prices and carriers.
And I'll again reiterate that the iPhone for the most part is only available for the high end of the market at $199. To capture 17% of the sales is amazing. An expanded range of iPhones covering all price points and reaching the US pre-paid market would take Apple head to head with Android here.
That is a very telling statistic. I guarantee that my wife and daughter will be buying android next time out, now that they have seen my android.
Hey, it is true the iphone revolutionized the cell phone, but that was then. Now, it isn't competitive and the closed system turns people off.
So do your wife and daughter want to root their phone and overclock their processor? Do they want to install unverified software from any Internet source? Do they want to download porn apps from a porn app store?
I want to do all that stuff. Especially the porn one. And I do so on my Android phone. But if I wasn't a EE/CS major who has been messing with computers since before I took Algebra, I would probably want an iPhone. Plus, I can only afford a $25/month no-contract phone anyway, since I'm a student.
I would think your wife and daughter would want the easiest interface, and largest library of apps. I have a long list of iPhone games I wish I could be playing. (First on that list is Infinity Blade) I'm still amazed at the lack of quality 3D games on Android. They would probably not like the random little glitches and shortcomings of Android.
If you don't get a Gingerbread phone you don't get a workable copy/paste system, something iPhone users used to complain about! I had to install a custom ROM to get that capability because Android handset makers NEVER UPDATE THEIR PHONES AND JUST IGNORE THEM AND RELEASE NEW ONES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME OLD CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS. This is the worst part about owning an Android phone. Even iPhone 3GS users can use the new iOS 5. but I rely on some dude on the XDA forums for my software updates.
One of the biggest omissions is the little magnifying glass Apple uses so you can move your text cursor to just the right spot. It's another one of those little tiny things that Apple always thinks of that make it such a polished product. It was there on day one with the EDGE iPhone.
I mean are your wife/daughter really comparing your Android to the current iPhone 4? Have they used it? Have you even seen iOS 5?
Oh yeah....buy a phone from anyone besides Apple that has no plastic on the exterior of the phone. Or a physical switch for vibrate mode (GENIUS!) Ready....GO!
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Amazon is selling them unlocked for $489, and I would expect they're making a profit on the sale, likely their favored 30%. And ATT should be getting a better deal from Apple than Amazon would. I'm guessing closer to $300, perhaps less.
http://www.amazon.com/iPhone-3GS-16-...9474502&sr=8-6
Except the model that is on Amazon is a 16G 3Gs and is sold by a third party, not by Amazon themselves. There are no reviews on it, so I am not sure if it is actually selling. Also, it is hard to tell if this is a jailbroken model or not, as it is referred to as "Unlocked" The model that AT&T currently sells, subsidized for $49 is an 8G model. AT&T doesn't show the non-contract price on the website, so it's hard to tell what the retail price is.
I think $489 is probably closer to todays price than $549 since thats the price the 3GS was new when it launched. Apple could sell the phone for far cheaper than that now.
You fail to understand the concept of growth rates. Android has remained steady at about 27% of activations, while Apple has GROWN in percentage. That 17% was only 10% last quarter. Next quarter if may be 25%, the quarter after that, who knows. Or, maybe it could go down. But the point is, Apple's share of new activations is GROWING, while Android's share (while larger) appears to have leveled off.
This is all to be expected, anyway. Look at the iPhone on carriers where they compete with Android (primarily internationally until the Verizon iPhone). iPhone wins in a landslide over Android. The ONLY reason for Android's phenomenal growth has been a lack of iPhone on Verizon. Lo and behold! Now that Android really has to compete against the big dog, their growth plateaus. Wait until all the Droids sold prior to Feb 2011 come up for renewal - then we'll really see a bloodbath in Android's numbers. They only bought the Droid in the first place because the iPhone was unavailable.
Yeah, I don't understand. Look, the fact is that the end result was apple had lower percentage of new activation than existing market share. That in NO way indicates "leading in growth".
If you want to claim, "Apple rebounds, loses less market share than before", then OK. But you can't "lead growth" by getting a little over 1/2 the activations of the market leader.
Responding to your own troll is pretty lame. Listen, you just joined today but if you are going to be a successful troll on AppleInsider you need to be more subtle. Guys like DaHarder were always posting pictures of their glorious Android devices. Maybe you could start by doing the same. Then at least we could get an idea of where your trolling is coming from. Eventually you'll get banned but, while you're here, try to earn some respect, okay?
This kid has to be really embarrassed to troll in public this badly. Oh, well - live and learn.
Responding to your own troll is pretty lame. Listen, you just joined today but if you are going to be a successful troll on AppleInsider you need to be more subtle. Guys like DaHarder were always posting pictures of their glorious Android devices. Maybe you could start by doing the same. Then at least we could get an idea of where your trolling is coming from. Eventually you'll get banned but, while you're here, try to earn some respect, okay?
Well, I was just blown away by the claim that "apple leads growth" based on 17% of new activations vs. 27% for android. Seems pretty delusional.
I felt it needed calling out. Call it trolling, or whatever. I probably won't ever be back here so I don't care. If they don't want trolls they shouldn't post troll bait.
Yeah, I have an Android. Samsung Infuse. Blows away my wife's and my daughter's iPhones, absolutely no contest. So what? The point is that you don't "lead" by being outsold, or by selling lower percentage than your existing market share.
take a nap, maybe it will make sense to you if you actually wake up...alternatively, you could troll a different thread.
Yeah, I don't understand. Look, the fact is that the end result was apple had lower percentage of new activation than existing market share. That in NO way indicates "leading in growth".
If you want to claim, "Apple rebounds, loses less market share than before", then OK. But you can't "lead growth" by getting a little over 1/2 the activations of the market leader.
Well, I was just blown away by the claim that "apple leads growth" based on 17% of new activations vs. 27% for android. Seems pretty delusional.
So lets get this right - you must also think that Nokia is still king because they are still the biggest maker of handsets globally. Right? Because the last sales figures I saw Nokia sold more handsets than the entire smartphone segment.
Seems pretty delusional.
What does this mean? Is it saying that iPhone owners are choosing Android for 38% of their new purchases and only 27% are buying an iPhone for their next phone? I find this hard to believe.
That is a very telling statistic. I guarantee that my wife and daughter will be buying android next time out, now that they have seen my android.
Hey, it is true the iphone revolutionized the cell phone, but that was then. Now, it isn't competitive and the closed system turns people off.
This kid has to be really embarrassed to troll in public this badly. Oh, well - live and learn.
I'm not sure he's trolling - trolling is when you pretend to be an idiot, it's not trolling if you're not pretending
So lets get this right - you must also think that Nokia is still king because they are still the biggest maker of handsets globally. Right? Because the last sales figures I saw Nokia sold more handsets than the entire smartphone segment.
Seems pretty delusional.
Did Nokia activate more smart phones than anyone else during the quarter? Uh, lets see ... no, that would be Android. So what are you talking about?
Did Nokia activate more smart phones than anyone else during the quarter? Uh, lets see ... no, that would be Android. So what are you talking about?
Nokia's Symbian OS was activated on more phones than all the vendors on all the carriers in the world using Android.
PS: See how I compared OSes to each other. You should try it, you might like it.
well, I'm pretty sure that if you are dense enough to reply to yourself, and chuckle at your own obtuseness, you are too dense to understand the concept of relative rates of growth, so clearly explained to you.
take a nap, maybe it will make sense to you if you actually wake up...alternatively, you could troll a different thread.
Yeah, well, you need to wake up. Yeah, I understand, Apple lost less market share this quarter than last. But they still lost market share. How is that leading growth? Of course, it will all be moot in another year when apple's market share continues to decline to the point that even fan boys can't explain it away. Then, it will be the same old apple "exclusivity" arguments like it is with their PCs.
Did Nokia activate more smart phones than anyone else during the quarter? Uh, lets see ... no, that would be Android. So what are you talking about?
Why emphasize smartphones over regular phones? Because the smartphone segment is growing. See growth in share matters, and Apple's share is growing terribly fast.
That is a very telling statistic.
You realize that the comment that you consider a telling statistic is where the guy mixes up the two completely different sets of statistics in the report right? So the telling statistic you think you read is a complete misunderstanding and nothing more.
That's a very telling fact. Yep you're definitely not trolling, this is genuine cluelessness.
It's just too damn painful to go from an iPhone to WM6.
9% for WM? Who are still buying WM? Which 2010/2011 phone has WM? HD2? 2009?
Is this survey just BS?
9% for WM? Who are still buying WM? Which 2010/2011 phone has WM? HD2? 2009?
Is this survey just BS?
That 9% is for phones currently in use, not just phones sold. Lots of people bought those phones last year and they're still on contract.
Top graphic is current population, bottom graphic is current sales.
That is a very telling statistic. I guarantee that my wife and daughter will be buying android next time out, now that they have seen my android.
Hey, it is true the iphone revolutionized the cell phone, but that was then. Now, it isn't competitive and the closed system turns people off.
Yeah, I'm sure they will. Low IQs generally run through entire households.
Did you just reply to yourself?
( and no - Apple is catching up).
They will catch up more if AT&T buys T-Mobile. I'm thinking US regulators will be stupid and let it happen due to AT&T's massive lobbying effort.
(The iPhone could save Sprint if they can get it soon enough. I honestly don't know why they don't have it yet now that a CDMA iPhone is available. Sprint should be begging Apple for it night and day offering a portion of subscription fees like AT&T used to pay*. They could finally have it and say "hey we're the only one with a full unlimited data plan - the cheapest price for an iPhone")
*hopefully my info is right here
Oh, and I noticed all the Android apologists here, as usual, failed to mention one little but relevant fact: iPhone now is at least a year old phone.
They will catch up more if AT&T buys T-Mobile. I'm thinking US regulators will be stupid and let it happen due to AT&T's massive lobbying effort.
(The iPhone could save Sprint if they can get it soon enough. I honestly don't know why they don't have it yet now that a CDMA iPhone is available. Sprint should be begging Apple for it night and day offering a portion of subscription fees like AT&T used to pay*. They could finally have it and say "hey we're the only one with a full unlimited data plan - the cheapest price for an iPhone")
*hopefully my info is right here
iPhone 5 will hopefully be available for all of the US carrier including Sprint and T-Mobile (until AT&T gobbles them up).
17% is not bad for a pair of designs that are 1 and 2 years old, respectively, and only available from two carriers. This against wave after wave of android phones in all shapes, sizes, and prices and carriers.
And I'll again reiterate that the iPhone for the most part is only available for the high end of the market at $199. To capture 17% of the sales is amazing. An expanded range of iPhones covering all price points and reaching the US pre-paid market would take Apple head to head with Android here.
That is a very telling statistic. I guarantee that my wife and daughter will be buying android next time out, now that they have seen my android.
Hey, it is true the iphone revolutionized the cell phone, but that was then. Now, it isn't competitive and the closed system turns people off.
So do your wife and daughter want to root their phone and overclock their processor? Do they want to install unverified software from any Internet source? Do they want to download porn apps from a porn app store?
I want to do all that stuff. Especially the porn one. And I do so on my Android phone. But if I wasn't a EE/CS major who has been messing with computers since before I took Algebra, I would probably want an iPhone. Plus, I can only afford a $25/month no-contract phone anyway, since I'm a student.
I would think your wife and daughter would want the easiest interface, and largest library of apps. I have a long list of iPhone games I wish I could be playing. (First on that list is Infinity Blade) I'm still amazed at the lack of quality 3D games on Android. They would probably not like the random little glitches and shortcomings of Android.
If you don't get a Gingerbread phone you don't get a workable copy/paste system, something iPhone users used to complain about! I had to install a custom ROM to get that capability because Android handset makers NEVER UPDATE THEIR PHONES AND JUST IGNORE THEM AND RELEASE NEW ONES BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME OLD CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS. This is the worst part about owning an Android phone. Even iPhone 3GS users can use the new iOS 5. but I rely on some dude on the XDA forums for my software updates.
One of the biggest omissions is the little magnifying glass Apple uses so you can move your text cursor to just the right spot. It's another one of those little tiny things that Apple always thinks of that make it such a polished product. It was there on day one with the EDGE iPhone.
I mean are your wife/daughter really comparing your Android to the current iPhone 4? Have they used it? Have you even seen iOS 5?
Oh yeah....buy a phone from anyone besides Apple that has no plastic on the exterior of the phone. Or a physical switch for vibrate mode (GENIUS!) Ready....GO!