When it comes to human rights, individual freedoms, rule of law and basically civilized behavior, the Western world trumps everybody else in all of those areas. Not that the West is perfect of course, but it's far better than anybody else.
Well everyone in the West likes to imagine that is the case. But the reality is a bit different.
Just face it. You are a deluded fanboy and you clearly suffer from an inferiority complex combined with possible masculinity issues, otherwise you would never have bothered to sign up and post your first dumb comment here.
I happen to think that Android is complete garbage and most people who use it are complete morons, or just cheapskates for ever choosing such a failed and buggy, fragmented pile of turd, but I would never waste my time in signing up to an Android forum and troll.
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You should tell him how you really feel...
He is not telling him how he feels. He is revealing what he is as a person, and discrediting himself more than he'd ever understand. Too bad. Another reason why we should do what we can to keep kids in school as long as possible.
So i am confused about why samsung would risk upsetting their top buyer.
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Different divisions have different bosses. Furthermore, they may be betting Apple cannot find enough manufacturing capacity for flash and touchscreen elsewhere. They may be right. They may be wrong. It's a bet.
Also, CE products are more prominent symbolically than semiconductor components. Furthermore, no one does apology well in any situation. Our first instinct is always to defend our pride, even at the risk of cutting off our nose. After all, do you expect them to say "Damn, you caught us copying. We thought you couldn't see thru the reality distortion field", or "Wow, we didn't realize what we were doing." So it's understandable why they are rather feisty about this.
He is not telling him how he feels. He is revealing what he is as a person, and discrediting himself more than he'd ever understand. Too bad. Another reason why we should do what we can to keep kids in school as long as possible.
I don't think so. AndroidInsider sounds like a reincarnation of a pesky troll we've been trying to divest ourselves of. He rarely listens or replies to a reasoned argument, and responding with an unreasonable argument just feeds him. These are not new arguments, it's just a long bout with someone that shits on other people's parades for the LOLs.
I've already pointed out that AndroidInsider's first comment was based on a faulty premise. He attributed a passing comment by a poster here as Apple's argument and that was not true. If he can't separate who said what, or see a bigger picture than just one tiny facet of the lawsuit, then there's no point in continuing the conversation.
Besides, I really don't see the point in online evangelization, i.e. going to a site belonging to people of a different viewpoint to tell them why they're wrong. Even if you do it politely, a lot of people will take it as an insult and it's simply a waste of time, I think it's basic psychology. The art of persuasion is not easy, and most people just get it very wrong most of the time.
Yes, and perhaps it sucks that copying the look and feel of software is totally legal, but as Apple themselves found to their cost back in the 90s it is. Besides, Delicious Library isn't actually the same kind of product as iBooks, it's primarily a cataloguing system for stuff - not an actual repository.
I'd agree that it would have been more polite of them to buy Delicious than just hire all his devs, but the law didn't require them to, which is I'm sure why Delicious never even tried to sue.
Yes, and perhaps it sucks that copying the look and feel of software is totally legal, but as Apple themselves found to their cost back in the 90s it is. Besides, Delicious Library isn't actually the same kind of product as iBooks, it's primarily a cataloguing system for stuff - not an actual repository.
I'd agree that it would have been more polite of them to buy Delicious than just hire all his devs, but the law didn't require them to, which is I'm sure why Delicious never even tried to sue.
Do you have any idea if the designer of CoverFlow protected himself better? I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between the two situations.
Why don't you at least try to keep to the matter in hand? This thread is about samsung, so it's primarily about design patents - not utility patents. Both of those examples are about utility, and only one of them is even about patents.
If you want to talk about the S3 patents there's a perfectly good S3 patent thread.
When you get deep down into the functionality of the Samsung units and Apple units and look at what they do, you quickly realize that they are vastly different (Samsung inferior to Apple), so to say the devices had to look the same when functionally they're so very different...is plain wrong. Samsung's product could have looked like anything, and do what it does, without any legal issue. The issue is copying the entire look and feel of Apple products, duping people into thinking the look-a-likes are actually function-a-likes.
The logical look at the situation does not bode well for Samsung. A competent judge is not likely to be lenient either. I see a lot of products coming to market from Samsung that are quickly going to get pulled, never to be seen again.
Yes, and perhaps it sucks that copying the look and feel of software is totally legal, but as Apple themselves found to their cost back in the 90s it is. Besides, Delicious Library isn't actually the same kind of product as iBooks, it's primarily a cataloguing system for stuff - not an actual repository.
I'd agree that it would have been more polite of them to buy Delicious than just hire all his devs, but the law didn't require them to, which is I'm sure why Delicious never even tried to sue.
I have looked at the two carefully (iB vs. Del) and not just the pic in the link. Frankly, I can see Apple's perspective. Putting book covers on a virtual bookcase - can Wil Shipley really argue strongly that no one else can use the same design concept? I suspect he looked into the strength of a legal case and realized it was lacking.
I appreciate your stepping in as moderator to keep a thread strictly on topic. I'll do a better job of maintaining threads about a specific type of patent litigation limited to discussion of patent litigation of the same sort if you'll kindly exercise your volunteer moderation equally to all posts that stray from such strict definitions.
Thanks.
heh - whenever you're losing the argument you switch the terms of the debate - old trick, very boring
I have looked at the two carefully (iB vs. Del) and not just the pic in the link. Frankly, I can see Apple's perspective. Putting book covers on a virtual bookcase - can Wil Shipley really argue strongly that no one else can use the same design concept? I suspect he looked into the strength of a legal case and realized it was lacking.
He actually might have been able to if he'd applied for a design patent, but afaik he didn't so the point is moot. He can't as far as I know claim trade-dress as that's restricted to physical product. He can't claim copyright as Apple discovered that doesn't apply to look & feel. He can't claim trademark because he doesn't have any that are being infringed.
It is a cheesy move though, and worse I don't even much like the iBooks bookshelves, now if they showed the spines of the books that would be much much cooler- with width of book proportional to length perhaps.
He is not telling him how he feels. He is revealing what he is as a person, and discrediting himself more than he'd ever understand. Too bad. Another reason why we should do what we can to keep kids in school as long as possible.
What kind of person are you? I am a person with good common sense and I have an ability to sniff out BS and I'm not afraid to tell it like it is.
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When it comes to human rights, individual freedoms, rule of law and basically civilized behavior, the Western world trumps everybody else in all of those areas. Not that the West is perfect of course, but it's far better than anybody else.
Well everyone in the West likes to imagine that is the case. But the reality is a bit different.
Samsung is pretty sad. I was going to buy a Samsung TV before all this went down, but no way now. The company is devoid of any innovation.
The Galaxy 7" was a POS. Still can't believe they dumped that crap on the market
samsung makes many fine products
except when that go up against apple
at that point samsung hit a brick wall .
Also apple pays samsung 8bn a year for parts .
So i am confused about why samsung would risk upsetting their top buyer.
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What would happen if Cadillac just copied the looks of Mercedes, almost the same looks but did not copy any inside structures?
Would that be OK with you !!
I'm pretty sure you responded to sarcasm as if it were a serious post.
Just face it. You are a deluded fanboy and you clearly suffer from an inferiority complex combined with possible masculinity issues, otherwise you would never have bothered to sign up and post your first dumb comment here.
I happen to think that Android is complete garbage and most people who use it are complete morons, or just cheapskates for ever choosing such a failed and buggy, fragmented pile of turd, but I would never waste my time in signing up to an Android forum and troll.
You should tell him how you really feel...
He is not telling him how he feels. He is revealing what he is as a person, and discrediting himself more than he'd ever understand. Too bad. Another reason why we should do what we can to keep kids in school as long as possible.
samsung makes many fine products
except when that go up against apple
at that point samsung hit a brick wall .
Also apple pays samsung 8bn a year for parts .
So i am confused about why samsung would risk upsetting their top buyer.
9
Different divisions have different bosses. Furthermore, they may be betting Apple cannot find enough manufacturing capacity for flash and touchscreen elsewhere. They may be right. They may be wrong. It's a bet.
Also, CE products are more prominent symbolically than semiconductor components. Furthermore, no one does apology well in any situation. Our first instinct is always to defend our pride, even at the risk of cutting off our nose. After all, do you expect them to say "Damn, you caught us copying. We thought you couldn't see thru the reality distortion field", or "Wow, we didn't realize what we were doing." So it's understandable why they are rather feisty about this.
He is not telling him how he feels. He is revealing what he is as a person, and discrediting himself more than he'd ever understand. Too bad. Another reason why we should do what we can to keep kids in school as long as possible.
I don't think so. AndroidInsider sounds like a reincarnation of a pesky troll we've been trying to divest ourselves of. He rarely listens or replies to a reasoned argument, and responding with an unreasonable argument just feeds him. These are not new arguments, it's just a long bout with someone that shits on other people's parades for the LOLs.
I've already pointed out that AndroidInsider's first comment was based on a faulty premise. He attributed a passing comment by a poster here as Apple's argument and that was not true. If he can't separate who said what, or see a bigger picture than just one tiny facet of the lawsuit, then there's no point in continuing the conversation.
Besides, I really don't see the point in online evangelization, i.e. going to a site belonging to people of a different viewpoint to tell them why they're wrong. Even if you do it politely, a lot of people will take it as an insult and it's simply a waste of time, I think it's basic psychology. The art of persuasion is not easy, and most people just get it very wrong most of the time.
Think iBooks Looks Familiar? You're Not The Only One.
http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/27/thi...-the-only-one/
Yes, and perhaps it sucks that copying the look and feel of software is totally legal, but as Apple themselves found to their cost back in the 90s it is. Besides, Delicious Library isn't actually the same kind of product as iBooks, it's primarily a cataloguing system for stuff - not an actual repository.
I'd agree that it would have been more polite of them to buy Delicious than just hire all his devs, but the law didn't require them to, which is I'm sure why Delicious never even tried to sue.
Yes, and perhaps it sucks that copying the look and feel of software is totally legal, but as Apple themselves found to their cost back in the 90s it is. Besides, Delicious Library isn't actually the same kind of product as iBooks, it's primarily a cataloguing system for stuff - not an actual repository.
I'd agree that it would have been more polite of them to buy Delicious than just hire all his devs, but the law didn't require them to, which is I'm sure why Delicious never even tried to sue.
Do you have any idea if the designer of CoverFlow protected himself better? I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between the two situations.
Yes, ironic, that.
That wasn't the first time, and won't be the last.
In fact, Apple Insider reports that A U.S. International Trade Commission judge determined on Friday that Apple is infringing on two out of the four S3 Graphics patents the company is accused of violating.
Apple's blatant copying continues....
Why don't you at least try to keep to the matter in hand? This thread is about samsung, so it's primarily about design patents - not utility patents. Both of those examples are about utility, and only one of them is even about patents.
If you want to talk about the S3 patents there's a perfectly good S3 patent thread.
The logical look at the situation does not bode well for Samsung. A competent judge is not likely to be lenient either. I see a lot of products coming to market from Samsung that are quickly going to get pulled, never to be seen again.
Yes, and perhaps it sucks that copying the look and feel of software is totally legal, but as Apple themselves found to their cost back in the 90s it is. Besides, Delicious Library isn't actually the same kind of product as iBooks, it's primarily a cataloguing system for stuff - not an actual repository.
I'd agree that it would have been more polite of them to buy Delicious than just hire all his devs, but the law didn't require them to, which is I'm sure why Delicious never even tried to sue.
I have looked at the two carefully (iB vs. Del) and not just the pic in the link. Frankly, I can see Apple's perspective. Putting book covers on a virtual bookcase - can Wil Shipley really argue strongly that no one else can use the same design concept? I suspect he looked into the strength of a legal case and realized it was lacking.
I appreciate your stepping in as moderator to keep a thread strictly on topic. I'll do a better job of maintaining threads about a specific type of patent litigation limited to discussion of patent litigation of the same sort if you'll kindly exercise your volunteer moderation equally to all posts that stray from such strict definitions.
Thanks.
heh - whenever you're losing the argument you switch the terms of the debate - old trick, very boring
I have looked at the two carefully (iB vs. Del) and not just the pic in the link. Frankly, I can see Apple's perspective. Putting book covers on a virtual bookcase - can Wil Shipley really argue strongly that no one else can use the same design concept? I suspect he looked into the strength of a legal case and realized it was lacking.
He actually might have been able to if he'd applied for a design patent, but afaik he didn't so the point is moot. He can't as far as I know claim trade-dress as that's restricted to physical product. He can't claim copyright as Apple discovered that doesn't apply to look & feel. He can't claim trademark because he doesn't have any that are being infringed.
It is a cheesy move though, and worse I don't even much like the iBooks bookshelves, now if they showed the spines of the books that would be much much cooler- with width of book proportional to length perhaps.
He is not telling him how he feels. He is revealing what he is as a person, and discrediting himself more than he'd ever understand. Too bad. Another reason why we should do what we can to keep kids in school as long as possible.
What kind of person are you? I am a person with good common sense and I have an ability to sniff out BS and I'm not afraid to tell it like it is.
BullSH*T!!!