[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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Islam is not peaceful. These terrorists have not currupted Islam they are reading it for what it is. Today Islam is not peace. </strong><hr></blockquote>
It's certainly not any less peaceful than the Republican party is nowadays.
Aren't you more worried about the 5% of the budget that goes to cheap explosives and the familied of suicide bombers? Isn't the "social services" that hamas provides only a ruse to manipulate palistinias into supporting an organization it would normally abhor according to it's own religion?
I saw the leader interviewed on CBC and he said Hamas is the leader of the Palestinians and that the goal of Hamas is to destroy Israel.
Not exactly peace. But then again look at Islam.
Muhammad practiced genocide; he was a pirate and a thief. The Muhammad of the Islamic Hadith was a polygamist, into incest, a rapist, a pedophile, a sadist, a sexist, a womanizer, a liar, a scheming politician, an assassin, and a terrorist. And all that is from their scripture. When the Jews disputed Muhammad?s corruption of the Bible he, declared war on them, decapitated the men, raped the women, and sold the children into slavery all with Allah?s blessing.
I guess if a fraud of a religion has to maintain the control of its people war is the only way to protect things. Make the Jews an enemy as they will expose the lies for what they are. If you go to war against the Jews it is because they are liers etc. (Sure, Whatever, Right) The leaders make this the case but those who follow get brainwashed.
Islam began in a bad way. Mecca was a small town among the Arabs who roamed the Saudi Peninsula. At the center of Mecca was the Ka'aba, one of the few remaining purely pagan shrines consisting of 360 idols, mostly stones. Pilgrims were charged fees to put their "god-rocks" inside. Muhammad's father was the Ka'aba's custodian. His name meant "slave to Allah." Allah had long been revered as a pagan god - in fact he was the moon god. The rock in which Allah lived had three daughters. The pebbles were named al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat. The Ayatollah Khomeini put out a death threat on Salmon Rushdie, the British novelist, for writing Satanic Verses, the Muslim account of these three goddesses. At one point Muhammad said it was okay to worship the three sisters until he later reversed himself and had these verses expunged from the Quran.
Much of the Qu'ran is based on the written Hebrew Scriptural accounts that Muhammad changed to fit his purposes. What didn't fit he made up, with major Biblical characters becoming Muslims in the transliteration - Jesus, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Adam. The Hebrews have fact and an historical record on their side when they recount their history; Islam does not. Also noteworthy is that Muhammad performed no miracles in the process of building his religion as did the Hebrews. Instead what Islam has is a legacy of bloodshed and terror.
<strong>let me repeat that last quote so that it might sink in to some of these so called christians:
"it is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven"</strong><hr></blockquote>
Try again, you got it bass-ackwards there.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdome of heaven.
However, God has NOTHING against rich men and it does not hurt your chances for heaven. That is not the point at all. God has repeatedly blessed those who follow him with great wealth and power. Solomon, David, Abraham, etc... The problem comes when those who he has blessed sees that blessing as thorugh their hard work and not as being frim God. They lose their humility and they lose their focus. Then you see what happens. Like in the case of both David and Solomon to name only two.
Keep it in perspective and context folks. Bandy about verses but know what it is you are talking about and be prepared to back up your assertions with more scriptures if need be.
It's certainly not any less peaceful than the Republican party is nowadays.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow, there's a stretch. The republican party is sending suicide bombers into civilian areas of their enemies? The Republican party has called for the death of the democrats? (Their enemies.) The republican party has vowed jihad to convert non-republicans to the Republican party? Wow! Thank you for bringing that to my attention. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
Aren't you more worried about the 5% of the budget that goes to cheap explosives and the familied of suicide bombers? Isn't the "social services" that hamas provides only a ruse to manipulate palistinias into supporting an organization it would normally abhor according to it's own religion?<hr></blockquote>
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I don't see a political statement in my post.
[quote]Don't even attempt to justify Hamas and other terrorists. You lose all credibilty when you do this. <hr></blockquote>
so I shouldn't state pure fact? Sorry, but I like the real world enough not to want to join fellowship, sdw, scott, outsider and apparently you in fantasy land. Apparently the version of my post that is showing up on fantasy land computers has some political endorsement or condemnation. I don't know how that is technically possible, but we all have learned that normal rules of logic and reason (or reading comprehension of only three sentences) don't apply in the AI fantasy land.
<strong>And the fact that they uncovered these crimes themselves shows that this will not be tolerated, but that doesn't count.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Were they the ones that uncovered it? The article I read was certainly unclear if there was any pressure from outside groups.
<strong>And the fact that they uncovered these crimes themselves shows that this will not be tolerated, but that doesn't count.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's already being tolerated. They're terrorists after all (as is anyone who disagrees with the Bush admin, as shown by Perle's labeling on CNN of a editorial writer as a 'terrorist' because he disagreed with Perle's policies). Nevermind that it doesn't do any good or typically provide valid information.
<strong>so I shouldn't state pure fact? Sorry, but I like the real world enough not to want to join fellowship, sdw, scott, outsider and apparently you in fantasy land. Apparently the version of my post that is showing up on fantasy land computers has some political endorsement or condemnation.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe you didn't mean it that way, which would be a big relief, but it didn't read like that. I want to confirm that one way or the other.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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Good name calling. Brilliance....
I saw the leader interviewed on CBC and he said Hamas is the leader of the Palestinians and that the goal of Hamas is to destroy Israel.
Not exactly peace. But then again look at Islam.
Muhammad practiced genocide; he was a pirate and a thief. The Muhammad of the Islamic Hadith was a polygamist, into incest, a rapist, a pedophile, a sadist, a sexist, a womanizer, a liar, a scheming politician, an assassin, and a terrorist. And all that is from their scripture. When the Jews disputed Muhammad?s corruption of the Bible he, declared war on them, decapitated the men, raped the women, and sold the children into slavery all with Allah?s blessing.
I guess if a fraud of a religion has to maintain the control of its people war is the only way to protect things. Make the Jews an enemy as they will expose the lies for what they are. If you go to war against the Jews it is because they are liers etc. (Sure, Whatever, Right) The leaders make this the case but those who follow get brainwashed.
Islam began in a bad way. Mecca was a small town among the Arabs who roamed the Saudi Peninsula. At the center of Mecca was the Ka'aba, one of the few remaining purely pagan shrines consisting of 360 idols, mostly stones. Pilgrims were charged fees to put their "god-rocks" inside. Muhammad's father was the Ka'aba's custodian. His name meant "slave to Allah." Allah had long been revered as a pagan god - in fact he was the moon god. The rock in which Allah lived had three daughters. The pebbles were named al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat. The Ayatollah Khomeini put out a death threat on Salmon Rushdie, the British novelist, for writing Satanic Verses, the Muslim account of these three goddesses. At one point Muhammad said it was okay to worship the three sisters until he later reversed himself and had these verses expunged from the Quran.
Much of the Qu'ran is based on the written Hebrew Scriptural accounts that Muhammad changed to fit his purposes. What didn't fit he made up, with major Biblical characters becoming Muslims in the transliteration - Jesus, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Adam. The Hebrews have fact and an historical record on their side when they recount their history; Islam does not. Also noteworthy is that Muhammad performed no miracles in the process of building his religion as did the Hebrews. Instead what Islam has is a legacy of bloodshed and terror.
I am a "bigot" for saying I'm uncomfortable that the most powerful man on the planet is a religious fundamentalist and this inaccurate, offensive diatribe makes you... what?
Remove your sig. You're far closer to those hatemongers than you know.
Utter crapola. And you wonder why people like Scott come along and point out that you're anti-American and that fuels your stance more than any real principles.
<strong>Try again, you got it bass-ackwards there.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdome of heaven.
</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah that's what I meant
[quote] <strong>However, God has NOTHING against rich men and it does not hurt your chances for heaven. That is not the point at all. </strong> <hr></blockquote>
and then your reading that follows is the typical kind of equivocation that makes people think that all Christians are hypocrits
Its actually hallarious: right after the quote by Jesus which explicitly says that it is easier for a camel etc etc you say that God sees nothing in rich people . . . . . HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
foolin yerself boy <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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He is saying Hammas is the real leader of the palestinian people not the PA...Why is this?<hr></blockquote>
You really are an idiot. 95% of Hamas' budget goes to social services in Palestine. They provide the best social services in Gaza.
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Islam is not peaceful. These terrorists have not currupted Islam they are reading it for what it is. Today Islam is not peace. </strong><hr></blockquote>
It's certainly not any less peaceful than the Republican party is nowadays.
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You really are an idiot. 95% of Hamas' budget goes to social services in Palestine. They provide the best social services in Gaza.
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: giant ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
???
Aren't you more worried about the 5% of the budget that goes to cheap explosives and the familied of suicide bombers? Isn't the "social services" that hamas provides only a ruse to manipulate palistinias into supporting an organization it would normally abhor according to it's own religion?
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You really are an idiot. 95% of Hamas' budget goes to social services in Palestine. They provide the best social services in Gaza.
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: giant ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good name calling. Brilliance....
I saw the leader interviewed on CBC and he said Hamas is the leader of the Palestinians and that the goal of Hamas is to destroy Israel.
Not exactly peace. But then again look at Islam.
Muhammad practiced genocide; he was a pirate and a thief. The Muhammad of the Islamic Hadith was a polygamist, into incest, a rapist, a pedophile, a sadist, a sexist, a womanizer, a liar, a scheming politician, an assassin, and a terrorist. And all that is from their scripture. When the Jews disputed Muhammad?s corruption of the Bible he, declared war on them, decapitated the men, raped the women, and sold the children into slavery all with Allah?s blessing.
I guess if a fraud of a religion has to maintain the control of its people war is the only way to protect things. Make the Jews an enemy as they will expose the lies for what they are. If you go to war against the Jews it is because they are liers etc. (Sure, Whatever, Right) The leaders make this the case but those who follow get brainwashed.
Islam began in a bad way. Mecca was a small town among the Arabs who roamed the Saudi Peninsula. At the center of Mecca was the Ka'aba, one of the few remaining purely pagan shrines consisting of 360 idols, mostly stones. Pilgrims were charged fees to put their "god-rocks" inside. Muhammad's father was the Ka'aba's custodian. His name meant "slave to Allah." Allah had long been revered as a pagan god - in fact he was the moon god. The rock in which Allah lived had three daughters. The pebbles were named al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat. The Ayatollah Khomeini put out a death threat on Salmon Rushdie, the British novelist, for writing Satanic Verses, the Muslim account of these three goddesses. At one point Muhammad said it was okay to worship the three sisters until he later reversed himself and had these verses expunged from the Quran.
Much of the Qu'ran is based on the written Hebrew Scriptural accounts that Muhammad changed to fit his purposes. What didn't fit he made up, with major Biblical characters becoming Muslims in the transliteration - Jesus, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Adam. The Hebrews have fact and an historical record on their side when they recount their history; Islam does not. Also noteworthy is that Muhammad performed no miracles in the process of building his religion as did the Hebrews. Instead what Islam has is a legacy of bloodshed and terror.
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</p>
<strong>let me repeat that last quote so that it might sink in to some of these so called christians:
"it is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into heaven"</strong><hr></blockquote>
Try again, you got it bass-ackwards there.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdome of heaven.
However, God has NOTHING against rich men and it does not hurt your chances for heaven. That is not the point at all. God has repeatedly blessed those who follow him with great wealth and power. Solomon, David, Abraham, etc... The problem comes when those who he has blessed sees that blessing as thorugh their hard work and not as being frim God. They lose their humility and they lose their focus. Then you see what happens. Like in the case of both David and Solomon to name only two.
Keep it in perspective and context folks. Bandy about verses but know what it is you are talking about and be prepared to back up your assertions with more scriptures if need be.
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It's certainly not any less peaceful than the Republican party is nowadays.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow, there's a stretch. The republican party is sending suicide bombers into civilian areas of their enemies? The Republican party has called for the death of the democrats? (Their enemies.) The republican party has vowed jihad to convert non-republicans to the Republican party? Wow! Thank you for bringing that to my attention. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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You really are an idiot. 95% of Hamas' budget goes to social services in Palestine. They provide the best social services in Gaza.
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: giant ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Don't even attempt to justify Hamas and other terrorists. You lose all credibilty when you do this.
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Wow! Thank you for bringing that to my attention. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, the republican run US military is torturing people to death, that's good/bad a start.
???
Aren't you more worried about the 5% of the budget that goes to cheap explosives and the familied of suicide bombers? Isn't the "social services" that hamas provides only a ruse to manipulate palistinias into supporting an organization it would normally abhor according to it's own religion?<hr></blockquote>
???
I don't see a political statement in my post.
[quote]Don't even attempt to justify Hamas and other terrorists. You lose all credibilty when you do this. <hr></blockquote>
so I shouldn't state pure fact? Sorry, but I like the real world enough not to want to join fellowship, sdw, scott, outsider and apparently you in fantasy land. Apparently the version of my post that is showing up on fantasy land computers has some political endorsement or condemnation. I don't know how that is technically possible, but we all have learned that normal rules of logic and reason (or reading comprehension of only three sentences) don't apply in the AI fantasy land.
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: giant ]</p>
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Well, the republican run US military is torturing people to death, that's good/bad a start.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Keep trying, you will find that proof you need.
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Keep trying, you will find that proof you need.
Proof that Bush doesn't want war? I don't think I'll be able to find that.
<strong>And the fact that they uncovered these crimes themselves shows that this will not be tolerated, but that doesn't count.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Were they the ones that uncovered it? The article I read was certainly unclear if there was any pressure from outside groups.
<strong>And the fact that they uncovered these crimes themselves shows that this will not be tolerated, but that doesn't count.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's already being tolerated. They're terrorists after all (as is anyone who disagrees with the Bush admin, as shown by Perle's labeling on CNN of a editorial writer as a 'terrorist' because he disagreed with Perle's policies). Nevermind that it doesn't do any good or typically provide valid information.
<strong>so I shouldn't state pure fact? Sorry, but I like the real world enough not to want to join fellowship, sdw, scott, outsider and apparently you in fantasy land. Apparently the version of my post that is showing up on fantasy land computers has some political endorsement or condemnation.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe you didn't mean it that way, which would be a big relief, but it didn't read like that. I want to confirm that one way or the other.
<strong>
Good name calling. Brilliance....
I saw the leader interviewed on CBC and he said Hamas is the leader of the Palestinians and that the goal of Hamas is to destroy Israel.
Not exactly peace. But then again look at Islam.
Muhammad practiced genocide; he was a pirate and a thief. The Muhammad of the Islamic Hadith was a polygamist, into incest, a rapist, a pedophile, a sadist, a sexist, a womanizer, a liar, a scheming politician, an assassin, and a terrorist. And all that is from their scripture. When the Jews disputed Muhammad?s corruption of the Bible he, declared war on them, decapitated the men, raped the women, and sold the children into slavery all with Allah?s blessing.
I guess if a fraud of a religion has to maintain the control of its people war is the only way to protect things. Make the Jews an enemy as they will expose the lies for what they are. If you go to war against the Jews it is because they are liers etc. (Sure, Whatever, Right) The leaders make this the case but those who follow get brainwashed.
Islam began in a bad way. Mecca was a small town among the Arabs who roamed the Saudi Peninsula. At the center of Mecca was the Ka'aba, one of the few remaining purely pagan shrines consisting of 360 idols, mostly stones. Pilgrims were charged fees to put their "god-rocks" inside. Muhammad's father was the Ka'aba's custodian. His name meant "slave to Allah." Allah had long been revered as a pagan god - in fact he was the moon god. The rock in which Allah lived had three daughters. The pebbles were named al-Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat. The Ayatollah Khomeini put out a death threat on Salmon Rushdie, the British novelist, for writing Satanic Verses, the Muslim account of these three goddesses. At one point Muhammad said it was okay to worship the three sisters until he later reversed himself and had these verses expunged from the Quran.
Much of the Qu'ran is based on the written Hebrew Scriptural accounts that Muhammad changed to fit his purposes. What didn't fit he made up, with major Biblical characters becoming Muslims in the transliteration - Jesus, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Adam. The Hebrews have fact and an historical record on their side when they recount their history; Islam does not. Also noteworthy is that Muhammad performed no miracles in the process of building his religion as did the Hebrews. Instead what Islam has is a legacy of bloodshed and terror.
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am a "bigot" for saying I'm uncomfortable that the most powerful man on the planet is a religious fundamentalist and this inaccurate, offensive diatribe makes you... what?
Remove your sig. You're far closer to those hatemongers than you know.
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Ah, no, he's a tyrannical despot who regularly gets %100 of the vote.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But it just occurred to me that we can't really hold it against Saddam that he doesn't really have a democratic mandate to govern his country.
After all, neither does George Bush. More people voted for Al Gore than they did Bush in the last American election, if I remember right.
He got less votes.
More people wanted the other guy.
So obviously, democracy's not all it's cracked up to be.
God bless, and best of luck with your war,
Hassan
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<strong>Try again, you got it bass-ackwards there.
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdome of heaven.
</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah that's what I meant
[quote] <strong>However, God has NOTHING against rich men and it does not hurt your chances for heaven. That is not the point at all. </strong> <hr></blockquote>
and then your reading that follows is the typical kind of equivocation that makes people think that all Christians are hypocrits
Its actually hallarious: right after the quote by Jesus which explicitly says that it is easier for a camel etc etc you say that God sees nothing in rich people . . . . . HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
foolin yerself boy <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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