It was really nice being able to buy a new computer or replace a failed HD and have all of these setting automatically appear.
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander
I liked being able to setup a new machine, enter my mobileMe details and get some things synced across. But it was only a partial thing and was never an answer for restoring a system.
I was really hoping we'd now be able to put an AppleID into a new system and have it automatically setup everything. Email, contacts, calendar, desktop setup, my most recent documents, my basic photo setup (with recent & published photos), music setup (with just the purchased music/tv and podcast setup), my app-store apps, iPhone sync information. Then when I plug in my iOS device it can sync back whatever music/photos/movies etc are there. And of course if it can connect to an old backup - get more photos/documents (and 'upgrade' the resolution of photos restored via the low-res iPhone versions). That would be a great setup.
But the old system was never that either. So it's not a loss... just an unfulfilled wish.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
edit: GregAlexander said it better.
At this stage nothing else, literally, beats an external Time Machine hard disk for restores.
Greg, you have a good idea and that's certainly where iCloud is heading.
Apple has to get the first round of implementation right though, and banish the demons of MobileMe.
I use keychain sync, and I sync mail sigs and mail rules. This makes it so convenient as a multi-machine user (laptop, home desktop, and work computer). In combination, all the MobileMe syncing makes my computers all work the same way with zero ongoing configuration by me. I was hoping with the addition of iCloud that model would be extended to document sharing as well. Seems like with iCloud it's a tentative half step forward and several full steps back.
Dropbox is still one of the best options for document sharing across multiple computers. I can't live without it now. Scary, but that's the Cloud for ya.
But yeah your point about "zero config" for multiple computers is well taken. That will be missed... Though it may be put back in iCloud, we've still got a year to go.
I'd say let's give Apple the chance to get iCloud right this year, then hopefully next year they'll start to add more features to it.
The only thing you can't do is have the system mark it as read.
Is that really the "only thing" you can't do in iCloud? Thanks for posting that screenshot, you just did more journalism than every other blog on the internet. Can you please post a screen shot of what other options are in the "Move to folder" sub menu?
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Originally Posted by solipsism
This is server side and a much better way than the client-side rules you seem to want.
We are agreeing on this same point, it needs to be on the server side if iCloud is going to hold up it's motto that "the truth is in the cloud". However, you shouldn't have to log into iCloud.com to set up the server side rules. If Apple is going to stick by it's guns that Native apps are a lot better than web apps, you need to be able to set up these server side mail rules from your Mac mail client at least.
I'll be satisfied if server side mail rules are only accessible from iCloud, but if Apple really wants to keep iCloud as invisible to the user as possible, they should really be adjustable on the client side.
Is that really the "only thing" you can't do in iCloud?
"Only" in terms of your aforementioned example.
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Can you please post a screen shot of what other options are in the "Move to folder" sub menu?
The others are just Move to Trash and Forward to <email_address>
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However, you shouldn't have to log into iCloud.com to set up the server side rules. If Apple is going to stick by it's guns that Native apps are a lot better than web apps, you need to be able to set up these server side mail rules from your Mac mail client at least.
I'll be satisfied if server side mail rules are only accessible from iCloud, but if Apple really wants to keep iCloud as invisible to the user as possible, they should really be adjustable on the client side.
I'd love for that kind of integration.
What rule options does IMAP have built-in? I know that if Mail on Mac OS flags an item it will show up in Mail on my iDevices as flagged. However, if Mac OS Mail doesn't grab it the flagging doesn't happen.
I read a few comments from around the web that seem to imply the new MobileMe->iCloud transfer service (me.com/move) copies MobileMe data to an existing iCloud account, rather than creating a new one. Is this true?
By the time MobileMe goes dark Lion will have been out a year and it'll be half a decade since PPC and Core Duo Macs were last sold. How many years should they wait for the stragglers to catch up? How about a full decade? How about 2 decades? How about they go back to the original Mac?
The point is that Apple lacks courage to only support Windows 7 (being consistent with the one OS for Mac - Lion). Apple is supporting Vista for iCloud, which was released in January 2007. Apple is not supporting Leopard, released in October 2007 or Snow Leopard, released in August 2009.
Now I could go on about Apple still supporting Windows XP users (released October 2001) for iTunes, Safari, iPhone 4, & iPad 2, while Mac users would need the Leopard OS (again, released October 2007), but this is a different topic (albeit a bit related).
The main point is that Apple seems to punish it's loyal customer's before Windows users. (knowing that because they love Apple products, they will cough up the money to upgrade their computer and/or OS). Also keeping in mind the spec requirements for Lion (as we all know the cheap cost of purchasing the Lion OS).
Second point: This is hardly a new thing with Apple, but it still annoys me greatly. Apple should be consistent or at lease give the impression that it is trying to be fair (supporting Snow Leopard for iCould would do this).
Well to be fair it is a disaster to people who currently use MobileMe which apparently isn't who Apple is targeting.
??? Mobile.Me was routinely criticized as being overpriced, poorly implemented and trounced by competitors.
So Apple says the equivalent of "Fine - were going to focus on our core competencies - feel free to move elsewhere" and now everyone is freaking out?
There's over a year to transition to something else. Is it annoying? Sure - I used the gallery feature and enjoyed the integration with first iPhoto and then Aperture. At least with Mobile.Me we have a year to figure out where to go. Better than those with Final Cut Pro! (killing Final Cut Pro so soon was Apple's only real blunder with the Final Cut Pro X launch).
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And this is exactly my point. Apple is moving farther and farther away from what I have depended on them for and what I originally admired about the company and OS X in general.
Oh please - your entire Apple experience was dependent on mediocre web and picture hosting?
Really? if that's true then I have good news for you - there are plenty of alternatives!
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Apple and I had a good run but we have grown apart. I may learn to live with her but my heart is not in it anymore.
Meh - a few cosmetic changes in the GUI and and the cancelation of some mediocre web offerings is hardly enough to get worked up over. I'm not thrilled with everything in Lion, but overall the positives far outweigh the few negatives. And it's still leaps and bounds above everyone else.
Let's hope to hamburgers that they upgrade the Keychain system to support syncing via key-value pairs. Keychain syncing has been one of my most favorite and useful features of Mac OS X for the past 10 years. But I will admit it hasn't been perfect, it's saved my behind more times than I can count.
??? Mobile.Me was routinely criticized as being overpriced, poorly implemented and trounced by competitors.
That's been subjective, though. I've been a very happy subscriber for 10 years.
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Originally Posted by DocNo42
Meh - a few cosmetic changes in the GUI and and the cancelation of some mediocre web offerings is hardly enough to get worked up over. I'm not thrilled with everything in Lion, but overall the positives far outweigh the few negatives. And it's still leaps and bounds above everyone else.
To be clear, Sync Services were not mediocre web services. They were very valuable feature built into the OS that's now going away. It's a shame.
I would like to see a new option added to apps currently able to publish to MobileMe ...i.e. iPhoto, Aperture ... to be as it is in iWeb. Simply add in an alternate FTP option.
I have no problem re uploading all my galleries to my own web hosting just allow it Apple! Please! We don't all want to use FB and Fickr!
I assume most functions would work although some server side functions might be lost but there is no reason why most of it wouldn't relocate just fine.
I'll be trying one of the available plugins for Aperture. If that doesn't cut it I'll buy a Mini, create a website, open a port on my router and have the speed gain from simply copying photo's over the LAN instead of the Internet.
Of all of these, keychain is the one I wanted the most. If I'm really going to have a random login for different sites, I need to be able to share it easily and keep it in sync. Otherwise when a password expires (etc) there's no way for me to remember what the new random one is when I move to my other machines.
Suggestions?
If you would've read all the posts you would've read this one from sol and not asked for suggestions.
iCloud is starting to look less and less interesting with every new anouncement.
I paid for .mac, mobileme was using the galleries, idisk and the synch features.
Especially teh synch was quite usefull, set it up once and never worry again, all your passwords bookmarks and so on are on all your machines.
Loosing the idisk is annoying, but loosing the galleries will really hurt me.
Loved the easy way you could set them up and they looked really nice without any clutter there.
The stream to teh cloud is not nearly so interesting, I sync my aperture libraries manually anyway, and I dont need 500 unfiltered photos from a shooting on my iphone.
making a little gallery with the best ones and publishing that was much more convenient.
Will miss the way to show pictures to other people.
And the interesting question here for me also remains, my mobile me account is different from my itunes account, how will that be handled?
Right, but how will we control whether to delete an image from all devices (unwanted photo) or only from the current device (to save space on that device)?
I think the question should be rather how do we decide which part of the data we have in iCloud should appear on any particular device? Like we do it in iTunes now, ie, via a device-specific panel?
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Also, aside from syncing the Camera Roll, will iCloud make it any easier to sync events/albums across different devices, or are we stuck with the current, inefficient wired process?
Jobs explicitly mentioned albums, ie, 'if you move images into an album the will stay forever in iCloud (but count against your data allowance)'. That pretty much confirms that albums will be synced (what would be the point of having data in iCloud that are not synced?).
Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking that Photo Stream takes away much more than it offers. I'd gladly pay $100 to keep Web Gallery, web hosting, backup, iDisk, keychain synch and all the rest. Why does iCloud have to remove so much?
Well, you still have it until June 30, 2012. A lot will happen with iCloud until then.
Also, this is going to be much more expensive than the Mobile Me plan.
Mobile Me $99.
ICloud - $25 to sync songs
Godaddy - $54 to host website
Drop box. $99 to host large files to share. (since iDrive is no longer avail) no pirated stuff
1Password - $40
So to accomplish the same thing. I would need to spend at least $229.
Bummer.
Yeah, you have to spend those $25 on iTunes Match to replace the existing iTunes Match service in the MobileMe package. And those $40 on 1Password is also a yearly price to pay over and over again. And the $99 Dropbox account and the 1Password application do not provide a lot more than iDisk and Keychain synching.
Well to be fair it is a disaster to people who currently use MobileMe which apparently isn't who Apple is targeting. And this is exactly my point. Apple is moving farther and farther away from what I have depended on them for and what I originally admired about the company and OS X in general.
The installed base for OS X is more than 50 million, the installed base for iOS is over 200 million, the installed base for MobileMe is estimated to be only 3 million. So, Apple targeting 99% of the market instead of 1% is really a bone-headed move by Apple.
The installed base for OS X is more than 50 million, the installed base for iOS is over 200 million, the installed base for MobileMe is estimated to be only 3 million. So, Apple targeting 99% of the market instead of 1% is really a bone-headed move by Apple.
Well put. Simply, MobileMe did not offer value that most customers were willing to pay for.
As a result, Apple customers were losing out on a lot of functionality that would save them in an emergency. Things like Find my iPhone, backups, etc. It is in Apple's best interest to offer that for free.
The point is that Apple lacks courage to only support Windows 7 (being consistent with the one OS for Mac - Lion). Apple is supporting Vista for iCloud, which was released in January 2007. Apple is not supporting Leopard, released in October 2007 or Snow Leopard, released in August 2009.
Now I could go on about Apple still supporting Windows XP users (released October 2001) for iTunes, Safari, iPhone 4, & iPad 2, while Mac users would need the Leopard OS (again, released October 2007), but this is a different topic (albeit a bit related).
The main point is that Apple seems to punish it's loyal customer's before Windows users. (knowing that because they love Apple products, they will cough up the money to upgrade their computer and/or OS). Also keeping in mind the spec requirements for Lion (as we all know the cheap cost of purchasing the Lion OS).
Second point: This is hardly a new thing with Apple, but it still annoys me greatly. Apple should be consistent or at lease give the impression that it is trying to be fair (supporting Snow Leopard for iCould would do this).
According to a May 2011 chart I read Vista has (13%) almost double the marketshare of all Macs running Mac OS. That's not even separating out older version of Mac OS which have a steep growth rate and are more likely to be updated when a new OS version arrives. That means there is a significant higher installed for that single OS version.
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It was really nice being able to buy a new computer or replace a failed HD and have all of these setting automatically appear.
I liked being able to setup a new machine, enter my mobileMe details and get some things synced across. But it was only a partial thing and was never an answer for restoring a system.
I was really hoping we'd now be able to put an AppleID into a new system and have it automatically setup everything. Email, contacts, calendar, desktop setup, my most recent documents, my basic photo setup (with recent & published photos), music setup (with just the purchased music/tv and podcast setup), my app-store apps, iPhone sync information. Then when I plug in my iOS device it can sync back whatever music/photos/movies etc are there. And of course if it can connect to an old backup - get more photos/documents (and 'upgrade' the resolution of photos restored via the low-res iPhone versions). That would be a great setup.
But the old system was never that either. So it's not a loss... just an unfulfilled wish.
edit: GregAlexander said it better.
At this stage nothing else, literally, beats an external Time Machine hard disk for restores.
Greg, you have a good idea and that's certainly where iCloud is heading.
Apple has to get the first round of implementation right though, and banish the demons of MobileMe.
I use keychain sync, and I sync mail sigs and mail rules. This makes it so convenient as a multi-machine user (laptop, home desktop, and work computer). In combination, all the MobileMe syncing makes my computers all work the same way with zero ongoing configuration by me. I was hoping with the addition of iCloud that model would be extended to document sharing as well. Seems like with iCloud it's a tentative half step forward and several full steps back.
Dropbox is still one of the best options for document sharing across multiple computers. I can't live without it now. Scary, but that's the Cloud for ya.
But yeah your point about "zero config" for multiple computers is well taken. That will be missed... Though it may be put back in iCloud, we've still got a year to go.
I'd say let's give Apple the chance to get iCloud right this year, then hopefully next year they'll start to add more features to it.
The only thing you can't do is have the system mark it as read.
Is that really the "only thing" you can't do in iCloud? Thanks for posting that screenshot, you just did more journalism than every other blog on the internet. Can you please post a screen shot of what other options are in the "Move to folder" sub menu?
This is server side and a much better way than the client-side rules you seem to want.
We are agreeing on this same point, it needs to be on the server side if iCloud is going to hold up it's motto that "the truth is in the cloud". However, you shouldn't have to log into iCloud.com to set up the server side rules. If Apple is going to stick by it's guns that Native apps are a lot better than web apps, you need to be able to set up these server side mail rules from your Mac mail client at least.
I'll be satisfied if server side mail rules are only accessible from iCloud, but if Apple really wants to keep iCloud as invisible to the user as possible, they should really be adjustable on the client side.
Is that really the "only thing" you can't do in iCloud?
"Only" in terms of your aforementioned example.
Can you please post a screen shot of what other options are in the "Move to folder" sub menu?
The others are just Move to Trash and Forward to <email_address>
However, you shouldn't have to log into iCloud.com to set up the server side rules. If Apple is going to stick by it's guns that Native apps are a lot better than web apps, you need to be able to set up these server side mail rules from your Mac mail client at least.
I'll be satisfied if server side mail rules are only accessible from iCloud, but if Apple really wants to keep iCloud as invisible to the user as possible, they should really be adjustable on the client side.
I'd love for that kind of integration.
What rule options does IMAP have built-in? I know that if Mail on Mac OS flags an item it will show up in Mail on my iDevices as flagged. However, if Mac OS Mail doesn't grab it the flagging doesn't happen.
By the time MobileMe goes dark Lion will have been out a year and it'll be half a decade since PPC and Core Duo Macs were last sold. How many years should they wait for the stragglers to catch up? How about a full decade? How about 2 decades? How about they go back to the original Mac?
The point is that Apple lacks courage to only support Windows 7 (being consistent with the one OS for Mac - Lion). Apple is supporting Vista for iCloud, which was released in January 2007. Apple is not supporting Leopard, released in October 2007 or Snow Leopard, released in August 2009.
Now I could go on about Apple still supporting Windows XP users (released October 2001) for iTunes, Safari, iPhone 4, & iPad 2, while Mac users would need the Leopard OS (again, released October 2007), but this is a different topic (albeit a bit related).
The main point is that Apple seems to punish it's loyal customer's before Windows users. (knowing that because they love Apple products, they will cough up the money to upgrade their computer and/or OS). Also keeping in mind the spec requirements for Lion (as we all know the cheap cost of purchasing the Lion OS).
Second point: This is hardly a new thing with Apple, but it still annoys me greatly. Apple should be consistent or at lease give the impression that it is trying to be fair (supporting Snow Leopard for iCould would do this).
Well to be fair it is a disaster to people who currently use MobileMe which apparently isn't who Apple is targeting.
??? Mobile.Me was routinely criticized as being overpriced, poorly implemented and trounced by competitors.
So Apple says the equivalent of "Fine - were going to focus on our core competencies - feel free to move elsewhere" and now everyone is freaking out?
There's over a year to transition to something else. Is it annoying? Sure - I used the gallery feature and enjoyed the integration with first iPhoto and then Aperture. At least with Mobile.Me we have a year to figure out where to go. Better than those with Final Cut Pro! (killing Final Cut Pro so soon was Apple's only real blunder with the Final Cut Pro X launch).
And this is exactly my point. Apple is moving farther and farther away from what I have depended on them for and what I originally admired about the company and OS X in general.
Oh please - your entire Apple experience was dependent on mediocre web and picture hosting?
Really? if that's true then I have good news for you - there are plenty of alternatives!
Apple and I had a good run but we have grown apart. I may learn to live with her but my heart is not in it anymore.
Meh - a few cosmetic changes in the GUI and and the cancelation of some mediocre web offerings is hardly enough to get worked up over. I'm not thrilled with everything in Lion, but overall the positives far outweigh the few negatives. And it's still leaps and bounds above everyone else.
I will miss the keychain sync mostly.
Let's hope to hamburgers that they upgrade the Keychain system to support syncing via key-value pairs. Keychain syncing has been one of my most favorite and useful features of Mac OS X for the past 10 years. But I will admit it hasn't been perfect, it's saved my behind more times than I can count.
??? Mobile.Me was routinely criticized as being overpriced, poorly implemented and trounced by competitors.
That's been subjective, though. I've been a very happy subscriber for 10 years.
Meh - a few cosmetic changes in the GUI and and the cancelation of some mediocre web offerings is hardly enough to get worked up over. I'm not thrilled with everything in Lion, but overall the positives far outweigh the few negatives. And it's still leaps and bounds above everyone else.
To be clear, Sync Services were not mediocre web services. They were very valuable feature built into the OS that's now going away. It's a shame.
Re the end of Galleries etc ..
I would like to see a new option added to apps currently able to publish to MobileMe ...i.e. iPhoto, Aperture ... to be as it is in iWeb. Simply add in an alternate FTP option.
I have no problem re uploading all my galleries to my own web hosting just allow it Apple! Please! We don't all want to use FB and Fickr!
I assume most functions would work although some server side functions might be lost but there is no reason why most of it wouldn't relocate just fine.
I'll be trying one of the available plugins for Aperture. If that doesn't cut it I'll buy a Mini, create a website, open a port on my router and have the speed gain from simply copying photo's over the LAN instead of the Internet.
Check here for all the plugins:
http://www.apple.com/aperture/resources/plugins.html
Cheers,
Phil
Of all of these, keychain is the one I wanted the most. If I'm really going to have a random login for different sites, I need to be able to share it easily and keep it in sync. Otherwise when a password expires (etc) there's no way for me to remember what the new random one is when I move to my other machines.
Suggestions?
If you would've read all the posts you would've read this one from sol and not asked for suggestions.
I paid for .mac, mobileme was using the galleries, idisk and the synch features.
Especially teh synch was quite usefull, set it up once and never worry again, all your passwords bookmarks and so on are on all your machines.
Loosing the idisk is annoying, but loosing the galleries will really hurt me.
Loved the easy way you could set them up and they looked really nice without any clutter there.
The stream to teh cloud is not nearly so interesting, I sync my aperture libraries manually anyway, and I dont need 500 unfiltered photos from a shooting on my iphone.
making a little gallery with the best ones and publishing that was much more convenient.
Will miss the way to show pictures to other people.
And the interesting question here for me also remains, my mobile me account is different from my itunes account, how will that be handled?
Right, but how will we control whether to delete an image from all devices (unwanted photo) or only from the current device (to save space on that device)?
I think the question should be rather how do we decide which part of the data we have in iCloud should appear on any particular device? Like we do it in iTunes now, ie, via a device-specific panel?
Also, aside from syncing the Camera Roll, will iCloud make it any easier to sync events/albums across different devices, or are we stuck with the current, inefficient wired process?
Jobs explicitly mentioned albums, ie, 'if you move images into an album the will stay forever in iCloud (but count against your data allowance)'. That pretty much confirms that albums will be synced (what would be the point of having data in iCloud that are not synced?).
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Glad to see I'm not alone in thinking that Photo Stream takes away much more than it offers. I'd gladly pay $100 to keep Web Gallery, web hosting, backup, iDisk, keychain synch and all the rest. Why does iCloud have to remove so much?
Well, you still have it until June 30, 2012. A lot will happen with iCloud until then.
Also, this is going to be much more expensive than the Mobile Me plan.
Mobile Me $99.
ICloud - $25 to sync songs
Godaddy - $54 to host website
Drop box. $99 to host large files to share. (since iDrive is no longer avail) no pirated stuff
1Password - $40
So to accomplish the same thing. I would need to spend at least $229.
Bummer.
Yeah, you have to spend those $25 on iTunes Match to replace the existing iTunes Match service in the MobileMe package. And those $40 on 1Password is also a yearly price to pay over and over again. And the $99 Dropbox account and the 1Password application do not provide a lot more than iDisk and Keychain synching.
Besides, there's Sandvox and RapidWeaver. Honestly, what is the problem here?
Somebody ate his lunch.
If DropBox was a publicly traded company I would definitely be a buyer. iCloud is an utter disaster and I'm sure DropBox is anxious fill the void.
So, iCloud has not even be released but it already is a disaster? I'll sure know whom to turn to if I am in need of an unsubstantiated opinion.
Well to be fair it is a disaster to people who currently use MobileMe which apparently isn't who Apple is targeting. And this is exactly my point. Apple is moving farther and farther away from what I have depended on them for and what I originally admired about the company and OS X in general.
The installed base for OS X is more than 50 million, the installed base for iOS is over 200 million, the installed base for MobileMe is estimated to be only 3 million. So, Apple targeting 99% of the market instead of 1% is really a bone-headed move by Apple.
The installed base for OS X is more than 50 million, the installed base for iOS is over 200 million, the installed base for MobileMe is estimated to be only 3 million. So, Apple targeting 99% of the market instead of 1% is really a bone-headed move by Apple.
Well put. Simply, MobileMe did not offer value that most customers were willing to pay for.
As a result, Apple customers were losing out on a lot of functionality that would save them in an emergency. Things like Find my iPhone, backups, etc. It is in Apple's best interest to offer that for free.
The point is that Apple lacks courage to only support Windows 7 (being consistent with the one OS for Mac - Lion). Apple is supporting Vista for iCloud, which was released in January 2007. Apple is not supporting Leopard, released in October 2007 or Snow Leopard, released in August 2009.
Now I could go on about Apple still supporting Windows XP users (released October 2001) for iTunes, Safari, iPhone 4, & iPad 2, while Mac users would need the Leopard OS (again, released October 2007), but this is a different topic (albeit a bit related).
The main point is that Apple seems to punish it's loyal customer's before Windows users. (knowing that because they love Apple products, they will cough up the money to upgrade their computer and/or OS). Also keeping in mind the spec requirements for Lion (as we all know the cheap cost of purchasing the Lion OS).
Second point: This is hardly a new thing with Apple, but it still annoys me greatly. Apple should be consistent or at lease give the impression that it is trying to be fair (supporting Snow Leopard for iCould would do this).
According to a May 2011 chart I read Vista has (13%) almost double the marketshare of all Macs running Mac OS. That's not even separating out older version of Mac OS which have a steep growth rate and are more likely to be updated when a new OS version arrives. That means there is a significant higher installed for that single OS version.
It's not exactly rocket science…