I find it interesting how many people are bagging FCPX. I have many clients who are video pros and who have raved about how powerful the new FCPX is.
They all say that, granted, it takes a bit to get your head around the new workflow, but once you do, it is a very different, very powerful approach to video editing. Yes, it lacks a few features but all new software does. But on the whole, they love it.
I think that people are simply shocked at how different the new software is and are too scared or afraid to try something new. Either that or they don't like or can't accept change.
Native AVCHD editing (along with a slew of new formats)
mixed video formats on the timeline
real time rendering/preview
beefed up titler
If all you're making is web videos, it's marvelous. If you're exporting to any non-apple-approved format (DVD, Blu-Ray, tape for archival purposes) working with really complex projects, revisiting previous projects, or working in a collaborative environment, it's a total dumpster fire.
BluRay is Supported natively. It's not a professional Menu designer but for archiving a movie to give someone a Preview of the movie It works VERY well, even better than the pervious version having to go through compressor. Most professional BluRay is done out of house anyway for the studio work flows so Apple's done the right thing here. The next step will be more editing capabilities within the DVD options etc...
1) FCP wasn't really useful for the first 2-3 years.
2) The last few upgrades to FCP have been relatively minor.
This, latter, is likely due to the fact that the design of FCP goes back to the 1990s, and the code and architecture is obsolete.
At some point in time, it makes more sense to start over with the latest technology -- rather than attempt to retrofit it into an obsolete implementation.
The big mistake, IMO, was EOLing FCP 7 before FCP X had grown robust enough (adding missing features) to replace it.
It appears that FCP X is an entirely new breed of app -- that can take advantage and exploit whatever hardware you can throw at it -- be it a server network, floortop, desktop, laptop or an iPad.
FCP X isn't all there yet -- but like an old Cubbies fan would say: "Just, wait 'till next year".
1) Video-editing software is complicated. You can't design, code and test an application like Final Cut overnight.
2) 1990s is not that old in terms of software. The code in Webkit has been worked-on since 1999, when KHTML was rewritten. The code in Oracle's 11g database has been under development since 1983. The code in the Linux kernel has been in continuous development since 1991, Windows NT has been under continuous development since 1983 and the BSD kernel in OS X can trace it's code-base back to 1969! Meanwhile, HFS had all the features needed to be a Unix file system tacked onto it and NTFS has gained full copy-on-write capabilities. The key thing is that all these things have had major architectural changes, been ported to multiple architectures and incorporated new technologies. All without being totally rewritten.
The problem is that some people assume that old code is bad code - but it really isn't! Old code has been tested, bugs have been found and fixed and features which customers want and still want have been added! But of course, the big mistake IMO was that Apple decided to pull 64-bit Carbon, because they didn't then make it easy to stick with all that tried and tested code they had.
Might I suggest investing in a dictionary and looking up the word analogy. Or perhaps considering the concept of drawing parallel examples. There was not a single word in the original post that attempted to make MS a scapegoat for anything.
The point was that Apple, in some ways, has been making more big blunders like those MS has made in the past. Apple built it's reputation as the alternative choice, anti-big brother, Think Different, quality over quantity, and all of that. But sometimes they do things like FCPX or iMovie and it makes them look like just another bumbling tech giant...just another Microsoft.
Wait! Wait! I just Googled it! No need for dictionaries anymore. Right? Still, you guys prove me right. Chant with me: Apple can't do no evil... Apple can't do no evil...
[QUOTE=ss000kk;1933697]M$, Autodesk, Adobe, Avid, nor Oracle, nor Dell, nor HP, or any other tech company have ever pulled the rug like that from a loyal and strong customer base. Sony has both Pro and consumer products division. That would have been a nice strategy to emulate.
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So much incorrect and misinterpreted information. Not worth responding to.
Sure it is... ALL the above companies have EOL'd products, and in uglier ways than Apple. discreet killed their edit* solution without leaving ANY options for its users. Turd that it may be for professional use, at least there's the option of X.
Not sure if this is a dead thread at this point, but what the hell. It's not that the interface blows or doesn't. I'm an old-hand editor and I for one am happy that at least there was an attempt to change things up a bit with X's UI. The problem is that you don't handicap the existing feature set. THAT's what the issue is for most of us who think we know what we're doing.
FWIW, here's one example from the FCP X FAQ on what's wrong with FCP X:
"Can I hide Events that I am not working on?
Yes. You can hide Events in Final Cut Pro X by moving them out of the Final Cut Events folder. In the Finder, navigate to the /Users/username/Movies folder and create a new folder. Then move the Events you are not using out of the Final Cut Events folder and into your new folder. The moved Events will no longer appear in Final Cut Pro X. If your Events are located on an external drive, you can move the Events to a new folder on that drive, or you can simply unmount the drive."
Something like the above is so against the Apple philosophy - how could this get by? If this type of workflow were found in a new release of Windows, or Premiere... or Avid, it'd mercilessly ridiculed by Steve Jobs.
I remember a Linux version of Shake, but not FCP. Of course they kept the price jacked up for the Linux version as it died.
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Originally Posted by WIJG
The "only available by phone" thing reminds me somehow that Apple once made a Linux version of Final Cut. Anyone else remember that? I never used it but I thought it sounded cool.
M$, Autodesk, Adobe, Avid, nor Oracle, nor Dell, nor HP, or any other tech company have ever pulled the rug like that from a loyal and strong customer base. Sony has both Pro and consumer products division. That would have been a nice strategy to emulate.
Sure it is... ALL the above companies have EOL'd products, and in uglier ways than Apple. discreet killed their edit* solution without leaving ANY options for its users. Turd that it may be for professional use, at least there's the option of X.
Not sure if this is a dead thread at this point, but what the hell. It's not that the interface blows or doesn't. I'm an old-hand editor and I for one am happy that at least there was an attempt to change things up a bit with X's UI. The problem is that you don't handicap the existing feature set. THAT's what the issue is for most of us who think we know what we're doing.
FWIW, here's one example from the FCP X FAQ on what's wrong with FCP X:
"Can I hide Events that I am not working on?
Yes. You can hide Events in Final Cut Pro X by moving them out of the Final Cut Events folder. In the Finder, navigate to the /Users/username/Movies folder and create a new folder. Then move the Events you are not using out of the Final Cut Events folder and into your new folder. The moved Events will no longer appear in Final Cut Pro X. If your Events are located on an external drive, you can move the Events to a new folder on that drive, or you can simply unmount the drive."
Something like the above is so against the Apple philosophy - how could this get by? If this type of workflow were found in a new release of Windows, or Premiere... or Avid, it'd mercilessly ridiculed by Steve Jobs.
You're right about Autodesk Edit, my bad. But this is my point:
I am an old hand myself. I started as an assistant editor back in 1995 before the FCP craze began. At that time Avid was king (on a Quadra 950). Competitors included Media 100, VideoCube, LightWorks. As soon as Apple jumped in with FCP at NAB 1999 it was like they "created" non linear editing. Suddenly FCP and everything related to it was "industry standard". Apple pushed that idea very well. I remember seeing Macs loaded with FCP at every trade show and even film festivals. Yeah! Those were the days! All that ended when Apple Computers changed it's name to Apple, Inc. Nowadays, Apple's focus is "cool" consumer products. Imho, Mac Pros will be a thing of the past in the near future. At this point they won't even give you the option to customize one with nVidia cards. Do you know why? Yeah, you know... How could anyone trust a company with such whimsical business practices?
Keycode Media had an event on 8-18-2011: Final Cut Pro X: Now What? When you need an event like this it's because your future is so uncertain that you better start looking somewhere else for options to stay in business. But if you look at the beginning of panel 5, when Jeremy Weinstein talks about Telepictures being so pissed at Apple that they dumped macs and switched to PCs, some people in the audience wowed .
Die-hard FCP users are predominantly Apple fans who refuse to see the writing on the wall. They will continue to use FCP 5, 6 or 7 until extinction or reluctant adoption of a different application, platform or both. I for once, refuse the idea that my livelihood will depend on one company or one software. Neither will I get all excited with every speech (or is it keynote?) by his "Highness", be it Steve Jobs, Gary Greenfield, Shantanu Narayen or whoever...
I already jumped ship and i am not looking back until there's real business to be done with FCPX... if any.
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They all say that, granted, it takes a bit to get your head around the new workflow, but once you do, it is a very different, very powerful approach to video editing. Yes, it lacks a few features but all new software does. But on the whole, they love it.
I think that people are simply shocked at how different the new software is and are too scared or afraid to try something new. Either that or they don't like or can't accept change.
Just my 2 cents.
Final Cut Pro X is a good direction in spite of there being more work left to do.
What's mostly missing in FCPX is features and features can be added.
+1 to that. Should have read your post before I posted. Nice to know that some of us have our heads screwed on properly
64 bit.
Native AVCHD editing (along with a slew of new formats)
mixed video formats on the timeline
real time rendering/preview
beefed up titler
If all you're making is web videos, it's marvelous. If you're exporting to any non-apple-approved format (DVD, Blu-Ray, tape for archival purposes) working with really complex projects, revisiting previous projects, or working in a collaborative environment, it's a total dumpster fire.
BluRay is Supported natively. It's not a professional Menu designer but for archiving a movie to give someone a Preview of the movie It works VERY well, even better than the pervious version having to go through compressor. Most professional BluRay is done out of house anyway for the studio work flows so Apple's done the right thing here. The next step will be more editing capabilities within the DVD options etc...
Many FCP 7 "Pro" editors will admit that:
1) FCP wasn't really useful for the first 2-3 years.
2) The last few upgrades to FCP have been relatively minor.
This, latter, is likely due to the fact that the design of FCP goes back to the 1990s, and the code and architecture is obsolete.
At some point in time, it makes more sense to start over with the latest technology -- rather than attempt to retrofit it into an obsolete implementation.
The big mistake, IMO, was EOLing FCP 7 before FCP X had grown robust enough (adding missing features) to replace it.
It appears that FCP X is an entirely new breed of app -- that can take advantage and exploit whatever hardware you can throw at it -- be it a server network, floortop, desktop, laptop or an iPad.
FCP X isn't all there yet -- but like an old Cubbies fan would say: "Just, wait 'till next year".
1) Video-editing software is complicated. You can't design, code and test an application like Final Cut overnight.
2) 1990s is not that old in terms of software. The code in Webkit has been worked-on since 1999, when KHTML was rewritten. The code in Oracle's 11g database has been under development since 1983. The code in the Linux kernel has been in continuous development since 1991, Windows NT has been under continuous development since 1983 and the BSD kernel in OS X can trace it's code-base back to 1969! Meanwhile, HFS had all the features needed to be a Unix file system tacked onto it and NTFS has gained full copy-on-write capabilities. The key thing is that all these things have had major architectural changes, been ported to multiple architectures and incorporated new technologies. All without being totally rewritten.
The problem is that some people assume that old code is bad code - but it really isn't! Old code has been tested, bugs have been found and fixed and features which customers want and still want have been added! But of course, the big mistake IMO was that Apple decided to pull 64-bit Carbon, because they didn't then make it easy to stick with all that tried and tested code they had.
So much incorrect and misinterpreted information. Not worth responding to. Thanks for the laughs though.
You should try at least.... What is misinterpreted?
Might I suggest investing in a dictionary and looking up the word analogy. Or perhaps considering the concept of drawing parallel examples. There was not a single word in the original post that attempted to make MS a scapegoat for anything.
The point was that Apple, in some ways, has been making more big blunders like those MS has made in the past. Apple built it's reputation as the alternative choice, anti-big brother, Think Different, quality over quantity, and all of that. But sometimes they do things like FCPX or iMovie and it makes them look like just another bumbling tech giant...just another Microsoft.
Wait! Wait! I just Googled it! No need for dictionaries anymore. Right? Still, you guys prove me right. Chant with me: Apple can't do no evil... Apple can't do no evil...
So much incorrect and misinterpreted information. Not worth responding to. Thanks for the laughs though.
So much blinded fanboism not worth responding to... thanks for the laughs indeed...
So much incorrect and misinterpreted information. Not worth responding to.
Sure it is... ALL the above companies have EOL'd products, and in uglier ways than Apple. discreet killed their edit* solution without leaving ANY options for its users. Turd that it may be for professional use, at least there's the option of X.
Not sure if this is a dead thread at this point, but what the hell. It's not that the interface blows or doesn't. I'm an old-hand editor and I for one am happy that at least there was an attempt to change things up a bit with X's UI. The problem is that you don't handicap the existing feature set. THAT's what the issue is for most of us who think we know what we're doing.
FWIW, here's one example from the FCP X FAQ on what's wrong with FCP X:
"Can I hide Events that I am not working on?
Yes. You can hide Events in Final Cut Pro X by moving them out of the Final Cut Events folder. In the Finder, navigate to the /Users/username/Movies folder and create a new folder. Then move the Events you are not using out of the Final Cut Events folder and into your new folder. The moved Events will no longer appear in Final Cut Pro X. If your Events are located on an external drive, you can move the Events to a new folder on that drive, or you can simply unmount the drive."
Something like the above is so against the Apple philosophy - how could this get by? If this type of workflow were found in a new release of Windows, or Premiere... or Avid, it'd mercilessly ridiculed by Steve Jobs.
The "only available by phone" thing reminds me somehow that Apple once made a Linux version of Final Cut. Anyone else remember that? I never used it but I thought it sounded cool.
M$, Autodesk, Adobe, Avid, nor Oracle, nor Dell, nor HP, or any other tech company have ever pulled the rug like that from a loyal and strong customer base. Sony has both Pro and consumer products division. That would have been a nice strategy to emulate.
Sure it is... ALL the above companies have EOL'd products, and in uglier ways than Apple. discreet killed their edit* solution without leaving ANY options for its users. Turd that it may be for professional use, at least there's the option of X.
Not sure if this is a dead thread at this point, but what the hell. It's not that the interface blows or doesn't. I'm an old-hand editor and I for one am happy that at least there was an attempt to change things up a bit with X's UI. The problem is that you don't handicap the existing feature set. THAT's what the issue is for most of us who think we know what we're doing.
FWIW, here's one example from the FCP X FAQ on what's wrong with FCP X:
"Can I hide Events that I am not working on?
Yes. You can hide Events in Final Cut Pro X by moving them out of the Final Cut Events folder. In the Finder, navigate to the /Users/username/Movies folder and create a new folder. Then move the Events you are not using out of the Final Cut Events folder and into your new folder. The moved Events will no longer appear in Final Cut Pro X. If your Events are located on an external drive, you can move the Events to a new folder on that drive, or you can simply unmount the drive."
Something like the above is so against the Apple philosophy - how could this get by? If this type of workflow were found in a new release of Windows, or Premiere... or Avid, it'd mercilessly ridiculed by Steve Jobs.
You're right about Autodesk Edit, my bad. But this is my point:
I am an old hand myself. I started as an assistant editor back in 1995 before the FCP craze began. At that time Avid was king (on a Quadra 950). Competitors included Media 100, VideoCube, LightWorks. As soon as Apple jumped in with FCP at NAB 1999 it was like they "created" non linear editing. Suddenly FCP and everything related to it was "industry standard". Apple pushed that idea very well. I remember seeing Macs loaded with FCP at every trade show and even film festivals. Yeah! Those were the days! All that ended when Apple Computers changed it's name to Apple, Inc. Nowadays, Apple's focus is "cool" consumer products. Imho, Mac Pros will be a thing of the past in the near future. At this point they won't even give you the option to customize one with nVidia cards. Do you know why? Yeah, you know... How could anyone trust a company with such whimsical business practices?
Keycode Media had an event on 8-18-2011: Final Cut Pro X: Now What? When you need an event like this it's because your future is so uncertain that you better start looking somewhere else for options to stay in business. But if you look at the beginning of panel 5, when Jeremy Weinstein talks about Telepictures being so pissed at Apple that they dumped macs and switched to PCs, some people in the audience wowed .
http://www.keycodemedia.com/Final-Cu...ve-stream.html
Die-hard FCP users are predominantly Apple fans who refuse to see the writing on the wall. They will continue to use FCP 5, 6 or 7 until extinction or reluctant adoption of a different application, platform or both. I for once, refuse the idea that my livelihood will depend on one company or one software. Neither will I get all excited with every speech (or is it keynote?) by his "Highness", be it Steve Jobs, Gary Greenfield, Shantanu Narayen or whoever...
I already jumped ship and i am not looking back until there's real business to be done with FCPX... if any.
Happy editing!