Apple wins permanent ban on Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Germany

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  • Reply 181 of 249
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    Seriously though, I'm astounded that The Beatles '1' album is still #1 on iTS list of albums.



    You sunk my battleship. Way to go.



    Your second link and the sales it reflects all these decades later show what a dynamic duo they were. Maybe better than Batman and Robin. Maybe.

    I've always thought George Harrison was the most well rounded Beatle as an individual.
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  • Reply 182 of 249
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    hmmm....



    Who to believe?



    The words of the judge making a ruling on which this article is based or random Internet guy's rant full of wishful thinking.



    OTHER DESIGNS ARE POSSIBLE



    It's interesting to me that through most of anthropology — which includes the category within it known as archeology — has determined migrations of humans via their technology. It's the one thing that could easily be dated and followed with fair accuracy, but since DNA has come into the mix we're seeing that populations and technology are not alway in the same migration patterns. We see that as people come across each other the better technology is picked up by new groups of people either through direct teachings or, more likely, copying. Once you know Acheulean (Mode II) is superior tech it would hard to keep producing Oldowan (Mode 1). Unfortunately for Samsung rocks aren't a major resource they can exploit.
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  • Reply 183 of 249
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    It's interesting to me that through most of anthropology ? which includes the category within it known as archeology ? has determined migrations of humans via their technology. It's the one thing that could easily be dated and followed with fair accuracy, but since DNA has come into the mix we're seeing that populations and technology are not alway in the same migration patterns. We see that as people come across each other the better technology is picked up by new groups of people either through direct teachings or, more likely, copying. Once you know Acheulean (Mode II) is superior tech it would hard to keep producing Oldowan (Mode 1). Unfortunately for Samsung rocks aren't a major resource they can exploit.



    hmmm, so in other words advancement in society comes from standing on the shoulders of giants...ad infinitum?
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  • Reply 184 of 249
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    hmmm....



    Who to believe?



    The words of the judge making a ruling on which this article is based or random Internet guy's rant full of wishful thinking.



    OTHER DESIGNS ARE POSSIBLE



    and yes other designs are possible, no one is denying that...in fact if you would actually read the most vocal of those who disagree with the ruling you will find that they (me included) feel that Samsung is copying (not as direct as you say with the Tab 10.1) and should be held accountable for it...TouchWiz is blatant...some iterations of the Galaxy S series are direct, blatant and quite frankly poorly done copies of the 3GS (T-mobile's version)



    The issue that arises from THIS injunction based on any design patent that broad (and unlike the actual iPad 2) is that it can be used against almost anyone as Apple had patented many drawings that severely limit the way a competitor can design a tablet that doesn't, A) look absolutely shitty, and B) violate some broad patent.



    I don't care about this 1 thing against Samsung...fuck Samsung...I care about what this says about the future of tech in general.



    I'm a techie...what are you?
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  • Reply 185 of 249
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    The issue that arises from THIS injunction based on any design patent that broad (and unlike the actual iPad 2) is that it can be used against almost anyone as Apple had patented many drawings that severely limit the way a competitor can design a tablet that doesn't, A) look absolutely shitty, and B) violate some broad patent.



    As someone has already stated, if Apple goes after innovative and unique designs like the Asus Transformer then your complaint will become valid. Until then it's just anti-Apple rhetoric even if it's thinly veiled to suggest your dislike for Samsung.
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  • Reply 186 of 249
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    As someone has already stated, if Apple goes after innovative and unique designs like the Asus Transformer then your complaint will become valid. Until then it's just anti-Apple rhetoric even if it's thinly veiled to suggest your dislike for Samsung.



    ummmm....the transformer can be sued too. if the Xoom can the transformer can.
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  • Reply 187 of 249
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    ummmm....the transformer can be sued too. if the Xoom can the transformer can.



    Operative word being "can". It hasn't happened yet.
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  • Reply 188 of 249
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    Operative word being "can". It hasn't happened yet.



    the fact that it can is a pretty damn big deal.
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  • Reply 189 of 249
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    the fact that it can is a pretty damn big deal.



    Your argument fails beause anything and anyone "can" be sued. If Apple goes after all devices that are rectangles with rounded corners (like pretty much every smartphone before and after the iPhone) then your argument about this being all about a weak "look and feel" patent then I'll agree it's going way too far, as I'm sure everyone else you think is an "Apple apologist."
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  • Reply 190 of 249
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    hmmm....



    Who to believe?



    The words of the judge making a ruling on which this article is based or random Internet guy's rant full of wishful thinking.



    OTHER DESIGNS ARE POSSIBLE



    Wishful thinking? As tho anyone would want this scenario?



    Even if the judge was aware that Apple had a dozen other registered design patents for tablets, and there's no reason to think she was, those other designs weren't use in this or any other lawsuit. . . yet.



    If you didn't bother to take the time to look at the Design Patents I gave you, fine. That doesn't make them imaginary.
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  • Reply 191 of 249
    I am so happy that the courts in Germany did not look at the validity of the flawed and alter evidence Apple provided them. I will have to remember if I am ever in court in Germany to submit accidentally on purpose flawed evidence to help my case.
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  • Reply 192 of 249
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    I am so happy that the courts in Germany did not look at the validity of the flawed and alter evidence Apple provided them. I will have to remember if I am ever in court in Germany to submit accidentally on purpose flawed evidence to help my case.



    Hey, troll.



    And if you're not, please read about why you're so wrong it hurts laughing just reading what you've said.
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  • Reply 193 of 249
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    that's...a duh moment and doesn't show copying...it shows adapting to the market...nothing wrong with that.











    I for one don't think it looks like an iPad 2 beyond the minimalistic design. My beef with Samsung is mainly for TouchWiz's blatant rip of iOS for phones (the tablets are decidedly different)



    This injunction is BS IMO because it grants a company a monopoly on this:







    This is exactly why the entire system of patents is sad in general. Apple drew a rectangle and patented it. That is innovation right there. Apple would rather sue their competition than make a product to compete with them. It is sad really that the Apple think tanks have dried up and they replaced them with a building of lawyers. I wonder if anyone patented a circle yet? I will try and sue everyone who makes CDs, DVDs, Blu-Ray discs, LPs. I might be on to somthing.



    I am sure Asus will be next in Apple's site. They are plannning on adding a Tegra 3 quad-core processor to the Transformer 2. If they couple that with Android ICS and 4G LTE capability I can imagine that will blow the iPad 3 out of the water. Apple will find one of their ridiculously broad patents to sue them under I am sure.



    Just imagine if patents were around when fire was "discovered" some patent trolling company like Apple would patent it, and sued anyone else that used fire. Think of the sad state our world would be in if something as simple as fire had a patent. Now that we are able to patent shapes I am sure we will see how sad things will truly get in the future.
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  • Reply 194 of 249
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    I am sure Asus will be next in Apple's site. They are plannning on adding a Tegra 3 quad-core processor to the Transformer 2. If they couple that with Android ICS and 4G LTE capability I can imagine that will blow the iPad 3 out of the water.



    Do you honestly think the normal, work-a-day consumer cares about any of that? I certainly don't.
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  • Reply 195 of 249
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Do you honestly think the normal, work-a-day consumer cares about any of that? I certainly don't.



    Just like it was unthinkable the iPad 2 could compete with any Tegra 2-based tablet.
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  • Reply 196 of 249
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    If they couple that with Android ICS and 4G LTE capability I can imagine that will blow the iPad 3 out of the water.



    Except no one gives a frick. Because people want iPads. For the experience.



    The rest of your post is drivel.
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  • Reply 197 of 249
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,585moderator
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    ummmm....the transformer can be sued too. if the Xoom can the transformer can.



    Apple apparently made 16 claims of infringement against Samsung and these may not apply to other tablet manufacturers. The first tablet to take aim at would be the Advent Vega for design infringement:







    However, there's no point in creating a lawsuit if those tablets will fail all by themselves. And they will fail all by themselves.



    Samsung got Apple's attention by copying them closely and selling quite well, which implies significant lost sales.



    IMO, this case shows that a truly innovative company has been protected from a blatantly plagiarising company and this is what the patent system was designed to do. For once it's actually working. Samsung is free to follow the examples of Blackberry and Asus in creating their own strategies for this market.
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  • Reply 198 of 249
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    Originally Posted by CHRIS42060 View Post


    This is exactly why the entire system of patents is sad in general. Apple drew a rectangle and patented it. That is innovation right there. Apple would rather sue their competition than make a product to compete with them. It is sad really that the Apple think tanks have dried up and they replaced them with a building of lawyers. I wonder if anyone patented a circle yet? I will try and sue everyone who makes CDs, DVDs, Blu-Ray discs, LPs. I might be on to somthing.



    I am sure Asus will be next in Apple's site. They are plannning on adding a Tegra 3 quad-core processor to the Transformer 2. If they couple that with Android ICS and 4G LTE capability I can imagine that will blow the iPad 3 out of the water. Apple will find one of their ridiculously broad patents to sue them under I am sure.



    Just imagine if patents were around when fire was "discovered" some patent trolling company like Apple would patent it, and sued anyone else that used fire. Think of the sad state our world would be in if something as simple as fire had a patent. Now that we are able to patent shapes I am sure we will see how sad things will truly get in the future.



    well CDs, DVDs, Blu-Ray, etc are all media formats (or whatever, as I think mp3 is a format but not sure what the hardware is called) but I get your point...



    ICS + Tegra whatever will NEVER blow an iPad out of the water...ever...the iPad will be the leader in tablets for the foreseeable future. AN Android device will never beat an Apple device as things stand now...



    But yea...a rectangle...A rectangle that based on the design could be a design for the few rectangular resistive tablets before the iPad.



    Sad really.
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  • Reply 199 of 249
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    Apple apparently made 16 claims of infringement against Samsung and these may not apply to other tablet manufacturers. The first tablet to take aim at would be the Advent Vega for design infringement:







    However, there's no point in creating a lawsuit if those tablets will fail all by themselves. And they will fail all by themselves.



    Samsung got Apple's attention by copying them closely and selling quite well, which implies significant lost sales.



    IMO, this case shows that a truly innovative company has been protected from a blatantly plagiarising company and this is what the patent system was designed to do. For once it's actually working. Samsung is free to follow the examples of Blackberry and Asus in creating their own strategies for this market.



    yea okay.



    Galaxy S phones...blatant...Galaxy Tabs? I mean we KNOW they are rips, but they aren't blatant like some (most?) variations of the Galaxy S
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  • Reply 200 of 249
    question...



    does this:







    look like an iPad?
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