ITC reviewing Apple patent victory over HTC

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  • Reply 41 of 102
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    Millions of Americans have Samsung, HTC and Motorola phones. If Apple wins all patent cases and all companies mentioned as well as Google are forced to shut down operations, these Americans would lose their phones. Before they can afford to get a replacement, grievous bodily harms could come to them and they would not be able to text or phone a friend for help.



    Apple must be stopped.



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    Originally Posted by freckledbruh View Post


    Um why? Android OEMs rarely update their phones (HTC is an exception although the updates are few and far between) so whatever phones that have been purchased prior to the decision aren't going to stop functioning so they wouldn't be losing their phones.



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    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


    Sounds like the reasoning that justified U.S. investment banks getting bailed out by the U.S. taxpayer because if they were allowed to pay for their mistakes, it would destroy our borrowing-based economy.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NoahJ View Post


    And all those millions will still have those phones if Apple wins. However, the millions following will have to make another choice when they purchase a new phone from the phones that are allowed to be sold then. Nobody will be going around gathering up the phones from these people or shutting their service off. You sound ridiculous here.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Don't hyperventilate. Samsung, HTC, etc can pay for the use of the IP (assuming they lose).





    "Grievous bodily harm"!! Seriously, that's not enough of a hint of satire? What happened to good old fashioned intelligence? Ridiculous indeed.
  • Reply 42 of 102
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    Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post


    I know you're paid to come here and defend him, and generally propagandize and distract, but, a) no one really believes that's why he left the board -- i.e., post hoc fallacy, or, sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence, despite how it's attempted to be spun, and the more likely truth is that Steve Jobs allowed him to resign rather than simply kicking his ass to the curb -- and b) it's irrelevant to the point under discussion, although, combined with his alleged mole-like activities, your post would support the double agent allegation, if your post were to the point and that were actually what happened, which is unlikely at best.



    Why do people perpetuate the argument that Schmidt was on the Apple board to be a *mole*? Don't you realize that makes Apple and Jobs sound really really stupid? This is particularly true since Google acquired Android in 2005, before Schmidt joined the Apple board in late 2006?



    Why do you hate Apple so much? Why do you insist on characterizing Steve Jobs as an idiot?
  • Reply 43 of 102
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    Why do people perpetuate the argument that Schmidt was on the Apple board to be a *mole*? Don't you realize that makes Apple and Jobs sound really really stupid? This is particularly since Google acquired Android in 2005, before Schmidt joined the Apple board in late 2006?



    Why do you hate Apple so much? Why do you insist on characterizing Steve Jobs as an idiot?



    yea that's another thing I never understood...



    the overly (though you can't really say wrongly perhaps excessive but that's a perspective thing) litigious Apple is going to allow this man to steal their ideas...and do nothing about it?
  • Reply 44 of 102
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    "Grievous bodily harm"!! Seriously, that's not enough of a hint of satire? What happened to good old fashioned intelligence? Ridiculous indeed.



    Yeah, nothing says intelligent more than throwing out an insult rather than making a point.
  • Reply 45 of 102
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    even better. so HTC phones work like iPhones now?



    According to the judge in this case, they do.
  • Reply 46 of 102
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by majjo View Post


    As someone who uses both an HTC Vision (aka Tmobile G2) and an iPhone 4, they are quite different. IMO, people who make the "Android is a direct copy of iOS" or "HTCs look exactly like iphones" have never used an HTC or android device before, or are blinded by fanboyism.



    The copy argument only holds water in one instance: the samsung touchwiz UI.



    I notice HTC changed the slide to unlock thing to a rather stupid "pull the ring" thing.



    It's frikking annoying, just like any Android device I've tried, using them seems to be a string of annoyances, from things opening when they shouldn't to other things not doing what they should.
  • Reply 47 of 102
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    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    I notice HTC changed the slide to unlock thing to a rather stupid "pull the ring" thing.



    It's frikking annoying, just like any Android device I've tried, using them seems to be a string of annoyances, from things opening when they shouldn't to other things not doing what they should.



    no offense...but your opinion on anything Android is moot considering your hyperbolic hatred of anything not Apple.



    The pull the ring thing is simple. Pull it to one of the 4 icons to open their corresponding apps...or pull it up to unlock the phone. I have a similar thing on my MIUI lockscreen...nothing annoying about it unless you're a nitpicky person...



    And I'm asking you...a layman...do you think HTC phones work like iPhones...if so, how so?



    PS...wasn't slide to unlock invalidated? (serious question as I'm unsure)



    PPS...I challenge anyone who may have Modern Combat 2 installed to a match... name is AbsoluteDesignz I'm epic and I don't cheat.
  • Reply 48 of 102
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    you are basing your opinion of a man on your desire for him to be unethical...besides if he worked to produce it, left before in 92 it was filed, of course the idea is in his head....it doesn't indicate any malice on his part.



    Almost as bad as the people who say Schmidt was a double agent on the Apple board.



    AppleInsider: "For its part, Apple has said in its court filings that Google executive Andy Rubin worked under the inventors of the '263 patent during his time as a low-level engineer at Apple and may have drawn inspiration for the Android framework then."



    Let me paraphrase so you understand....If Andy Rubin worked under the inventors during the conception and development of the '236 patent in question and now the function of that patent is being used within the framework of Android, why can't I maintain that if it's true, I feel that it is unethical behavior? It's entirely possible, isn't it?



    I don't desire him, or even anyone at Apple, to be unethical but if these words are true, it is my opinion that he acted in an unethical manner. What is so hard to understand about that?



    Stop putting words in my mouth.
  • Reply 49 of 102
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    Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post


    AppleInsider: "For its part, Apple has said in its court filings that Google executive Andy Rubin worked under the inventors of the '263 patent during his time as a low-level engineer at Apple and may have drawn inspiration for the Android framework then."



    Let me paraphrase so you understand....If Andy Rubin worked under the inventors during the conception and development of the '236 patent in question and now the function of that patent is being used within the framework of Android, why can't I maintain that if it's true, I feel that it is unethical behavior? It's entirely possible, isn't it?



    I don't desire him, or even anyone at Apple, to be unethical but if these words are true, it is my opinion that he acted in an unethical manner. What is so hard to understand about that?



    Stop putting words in my mouth.



    unethical implies malicious intent...none was shown. Was Andy Rubin working on his master plan to undermine Apple for 13 years before Google bought Android? Also it only states that he worked under the inventors of the patent (that is the API patent right?) not that he worked on it. For all we know he was getting them coffee.



    I personally think it is a stretch to believe that he worked on a master plan for 13 years before Google bought Android and then another 3 years before Android was released to the masses.



    Granted I also think a patent on APIs (if that is what this patent covers) is ridiculous in this day and age...much like a patent on applications would be.
  • Reply 50 of 102
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Don't hyperventilate. Samsung, HTC, etc can pay for the use of the IP (assuming they lose).



    Not really. All these lawsuits are not about charging fees for the IPs. It's about stopping competition from producing devices. It's about keeping a monopoly position. If Apple acts like MSFT and just collect $5 per Android device nobody would really care.
  • Reply 51 of 102
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    yea that's another thing I never understood...



    the overly (though you can't really say wrongly perhaps excessive but that's a perspective thing) litigious Apple is going to allow this man to steal their ideas...and do nothing about it?



    Notice how there is no answer to this?
  • Reply 52 of 102
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    Notice how there is no answer to this?



    there's no answer to a lot of things. like how people think the Tab was banned for looking like an iPad when it was banned for looking like a drawing of a product never to exist from Apple
  • Reply 53 of 102
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    there's no answer to a lot of things. like how people think the Tab was banned for looking like an iPad when it was banned for looking like a drawing of a product never to exist from Apple



    Are you referring to Apple's sketches of an etch-a-sketch without the knobs?
  • Reply 54 of 102
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    there's no answer to a lot of things. like how people think the Tab was banned for looking like an iPad when it was banned for looking like a drawing of a product never to exist from Apple



    What kind of answer are you looking for? You know dang well this was discussed in the thread when it happened. Several people responded to you and Gator that the community design case probably would not have been filed if Samsung hadn't completely changed it's design before release to copy the iPad. Some (myself included) said that if Apple used the same community design against something like the Transformer, then perhaps Apple would be overreaching. Just because people don't agree completely with you doesn't mean there is some "answer" being avoided.
  • Reply 55 of 102
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    unethical implies malicious intent...none was shown. Was Andy Rubin working on his master plan to undermine Apple for 13 years before Google bought Android? Also it only states that he worked under the inventors of the patent (that is the API patent right?) not that he worked on it. For all we know he was getting them coffee.



    I personally think it is a stretch to believe that he worked on a master plan for 13 years before Google bought Android and then another 3 years before Android was released to the masses.



    Granted I also think a patent on APIs (if that is what this patent covers) is ridiculous in this day and age...much like a patent on applications would be.



    I did not say, nor did the article state or imply, that Andy Rubin conspired to steal patents for a yet to be conceived future mobile smartphone OS 13 years before Android. What the article implies (which I quoted earlier) is that he remembered the method the Apple engineers developed for that API and used it for the Android OS because it was a very important aspect of how it functioned. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.
  • Reply 56 of 102
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    Originally Posted by drobforever View Post


    Not really. All these lawsuits are not about charging fees for the IPs. It's about stopping competition from producing devices. It's about keeping a monopoly position. If Apple acts like MSFT and just collect $5 per Android device nobody would really care.



    That's because no one would copy anything from Microsoft because they can't come up with anything original and compelling, so they have to charge a royalty to make money. And if Apple spends billions on R&D to come up with an industry changing product such as the iPad, I certainly hope they would defend their design. Apple has been burnt before. You know, the "look and feel" thing. It's called Windows.



    I don't blame Stevie Apple for not playing nice in the sandbox if Sammy Sung is copying the same cool looking sandcastle that Stevie built. It took a long time for Stevie to conceive and create such a cool looking sandcastle.
  • Reply 57 of 102
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    no offense...but your opinion on anything Android is moot considering your hyperbolic hatred of anything not Apple.



    The pull the ring thing is simple. Pull it to one of the 4 icons to open their corresponding apps...or pull it up to unlock the phone. I have a similar thing on my MIUI lockscreen...nothing annoying about it unless you're a nitpicky person...



    And I'm asking you...a layman...do you think HTC phones work like iPhones...if so, how so?



    PS...wasn't slide to unlock invalidated? (serious question as I'm unsure)



    PPS...I challenge anyone who may have Modern Combat 2 installed to a match... name is AbsoluteDesignz I'm epic and I don't cheat.



    It works ok on the Evo 3D but on the Salsa and Cha Cha it's abysmal.



    I sell Android phones and iPhones all day long and demonstrate them both many times a day.



    Android still feels like a cheap second rate copy, especially in the mid to low range which make up the majority of sales.



    It's you who seems delusional if you thing trying to swipe a ring thing fifteen times to unlock a screen, only to be met with a jiggly, wobbly dance before snapping back into place, is acceptable.



    Maybe I should post a video to YouTube so people can see for themselves just how bad they can be.
  • Reply 58 of 102
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    Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post


    That's because no one would copy anything from Microsoft because they can't come up with anything original and compelling, so they have to charge a royalty to make money. And if Apple spends billions on R&D to come up with an industry changing product such as the iPad, I certainly hope they would defend their design. Apple has been burnt before. You know, the "look and feel" thing. It's called Windows.



    The patents involved in most of these lawsuits are nothing special, and wouldn't need 'billions on R&D" to discover. Most of them are just simple stuffs being built in any mobile device/software. Now nobody can deny that Apple is the best in the industry to combine all these simple stuffs in a way that's attractive to customers, let's not pretend that people would need to spend billions to make a frame look certain way or to make batteries switch on/off at certain time or to make an antenna receives signals.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post


    I don't blame Stevie Apple for not playing nice in the sandbox if Sammy Sung is copying the same cool looking sandcastle that Stevie built. It took a long time for Stevie to conceive and create such a cool looking sandcastle.



    While iOS is the best mobile software to date, the frame of iPad is nothing new, it looks just like a normal TV/Monitor, just smaller. I guess I couldn't understand how people here can keep making a big deal out of the 'look and feel' thing.
  • Reply 59 of 102
    majjomajjo Posts: 574member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hill60 View Post


    It works ok on the Evo 3D but on the Salsa and Cha Cha it's abysmal.



    I sell Android phones and iPhones all day long and demonstrate them both many times a day.



    Android still feels like a cheap second rate copy, especially in the mid to low range which make up the majority of sales.



    It's you who seems delusional if you thing trying to swipe a ring thing fifteen times to unlock a screen, only to be met with a jiggly, wobbly dance before snapping back into place, is acceptable.



    Maybe I should post a video to YouTube so people can see for themselves just how bad they can be.



    I haven't run a sense 3.0 ROM on my G2 yet; so I can't speak from personal experience about the new lockscreen. I'll eventually get around to trying it out someday as I like the expanded functionality on the lockscreen.



    From the video reviews of the salsa on youtube, it seems to work pretty well. gets choppy sometimes, but I haven't seen the 15 attempt jiggly dance as you described yet. I haven't looked at the chacha since I am not interested in that form factor in general.
  • Reply 60 of 102
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    Originally Posted by Dickprinter View Post


    Now that the Modern Combat 2 challenge has come to light, I feel safe with saying.....grow up. What are you, about 23 and still living in mommy and daddy's basement? I bet you stay up all night playing WOW, too.



    I did not say, nor did the article state or imply, that Andy Rubin conspired to steal patents for a yet to be conceived future mobile smartphone OS 13 years before Android. What the article implies (which I quoted earlier) is that he remembered the method the Apple engineers developed for that API and used it for the Android OS because it was a very important aspect of how it functioned. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.



    And you talk about Apple fanboys having bling hatred? You're just plain ignorant.



    well I tried to lighten the mood with the modern combat thing but I guess you're just a dick.



    and no I'm not a WOW player. my late grandfather was and he was a 71 year old....
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