I don't see any reason for this sort of voice control to require any hardware that the iphone4 doesn't already have, namely, a mic, and... well, just a mic, so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales. I realize that the iphone5 will likely run an A5 chip instead of the current iphone's A4, but I'm kind of dubious that this functionality would NEED an A5 to make it work, and not work on an A4.
if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating
Welcome to the way Apple does things.
We have a free seat at table number 6,524, would you like a first-gen iPhone that is perfectly capable of MMS, video recording, and voice recognition while you wait?
The functionality already works very well in Mango. Makes driving and texting a whole lot safer.
WP7, Kindle Fire, and Nokia N9 show you don't have to blatantly steal Apple's IP to make a decent product. I wish the Samgungulaters would realize that.
...so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales.
I doubt people would be making a big deal about it if Apple wasn't offering something new. The iPhone too already has basic voice command functionality. I use it occasionally.
I would argue the opposite as you do below. Google uses the Cloud for voice commands for two reasons 1) Android phones to date have lacked the processing power to analyze the voice data so it has been a necessity to do the heavy lifting in the cloud, and 2) Google is harvesting voice data for who knows what purposes. It probably doesn't want to pay for a license from a company like Nuisance, which has tons of voice data.
If the phone has the processing power to do the heavy lifting on the device that offers benefits in terms of not needing to be tied to the network, efficiency, and privacy.
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Couple of milliseconds on android is lag? You can't even perceive that as a human, lol.
I doubt that Apple's product will even come close to Android if it doesn't access the cloud. Sucks for "millions of people on ATT", or a large chunk of your internal, non-swappable storage will be consumed just for this on an iphone.
Android is doing it today, and doing it VERY well as part of the OS.
I don't know why you would be dubious. The processing power between the two is quite significant. Google current does the voice analyzation in the Cloud probably partially because of processor limitations.
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I don't see any reason for this sort of voice control to require any hardware that the iphone4 doesn't already have, namely, a mic, and... well, just a mic, so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales. I realize that the iphone5 will likely run an A5 chip instead of the current iphone's A4, but I'm kind of dubious that this functionality would NEED an A5 to make it work, and not work on an A4.
I don't see any reason for this sort of voice control to require any hardware that the iphone4 doesn't already have, namely, a mic, and... well, just a mic, so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales. I realize that the iphone5 will likely run an A5 chip instead of the current iphone's A4, but I'm kind of dubious that this functionality would NEED an A5 to make it work, and not work on an A4.
I concur. As much as I love Apple, they are bastards about excluding legacy hardware when they could just as easily support it. True fanboys will say that's because they want the new feature to run flawlessly and the user experience to be perfect... for some new technologies that may be true, and for some new technologies it's truly a technical limitation the old hardware doesn't support or can't handle. However, in this case and many others, it's for the sole reason to sell more hardware and make more money.
However, in this case and many others, it's for the sole reason to sell more hardware and make more money.
Every decision a for-profit company makes should be for their overall financial benefit. Everything! If you're suggesting Microsoft supports legacy HW and code because of altruistic behaviour then I'll point out their massive customer base paying licensing fees for legacy HW and code.
So basically it will work more or less like voice commands in Android..... (I have an android phone and contrary to propaganda they work pretty well)
I wonder if the popup keyboard will have a mic button like Android. I find that to be a very handy way to enter text into virtually any text input field? It does not always understand everything I say, but it is usually close enough so that it is faster to edit the text than to type it all in....
If it's anything like Siri, it will not be like Android's implementation. The cool thing about Siri was that it actually DID things. It used plug-ins to ACT on commands like, "Get me a reservation for 2 tonight at 7 PM at Sushi Raw". It could book a table, hail a cab, look up "what's going on" in a certain area, check for "the best Japanese restaurant by work", and other complicated things.
Of course, there is straight voice-to-text and vice versa (e.g. reading SMSs to you while you drive). But Assistant should be much more than that.
I am not a fan of the long hold of the Home Button for accessing Voice Control, a service I oft use on my iPhone. I want something that is faster to access, especially if it's going to be offering considerably more utility than currently found in iOS 4.x/5.0. While I doubt it I do hope that moving of the volume/mute switch to the other side is actually an Assistant button that will access the feature immediately when pressed on the new G5 iPhone.
If Apple would just replace the mechanical button with a capacitive button like I have on my back up phone (Samsung Focus). I love that in Mango I can just hold it for one second (light touch) and then do full texting and replying via voice. I really expect Apple's voice control to better than that of Mango. I hope I am not disappointed.
Every decision a for-profit company makes should be for their overall financial benefit. Everything! If you're suggesting Microsoft supports legacy HW and code because of altruistic behaviour then I'll point out their massive customer base paying licensing fees for legacy HW and code.
Yeah, dont piss off the customer would help the bottom line in the long run.
Yeah, dont piss off the customer would help the bottom line in the long run.
That's part of the overall financial benefit, which is why a company with such a massive mindshare as Apple had to do an impromptu special event about the iPhone 4 antenna and give away cases, and has such an amazing replacement and repair policy even for when it's clearly the customer's fault. It's just better for their bottom line in the long run and their ratings on polls, growth and profit compared to their industries show they are building more bridges than they are burning.
Every decision a for-profit company makes should be for their overall financial benefit. Everything! If you're suggesting Microsoft supports legacy HW and code because of altruistic behaviour then I'll point out their massive customer base paying licensing fees for legacy HW and code.
I didn't say it wasn't a (or possibly the only) reasonable or expected motive of a for-profit company. As a shareholder I want them to be as profitable as possible. I just said it's their reason.
However, a little good will can buy a lot of repeat customers.
Couple of milliseconds on android is lag? You can't even perceive that as a human, lol.
I doubt that Apple's product will even come close to Android if it doesn't access the cloud. Sucks for "millions of people on ATT", or a large chunk of your internal, non-swappable storage will be consumed just for this on an iphone.
Android is doing it today, and doing it VERY well as part of the OS.
Let's see what Apple is "cook-ing", pun intended.
milliseconds? When I do it on my Nexus it takes 2-4 seconds to work over Wifi with a fast internet connection. And half the time it spits out the wrong text.
Yes Android is at least doing it and I commend them for that. But what the video above showed and what Android does is not even on the same playing field. Android looks like broken sticks again compared to the video showing what's purportedly on the iPhone 5.
I don't see any reason for this sort of voice control to require any hardware that the iphone4 doesn't already have, namely, a mic, and... well, just a mic, so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales. I realize that the iphone5 will likely run an A5 chip instead of the current iphone's A4, but I'm kind of dubious that this functionality would NEED an A5 to make it work, and not work on an A4.
If its done on device then heck yeah - it would require a MUCH faster CPU than the A4.
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The functionality already works very well in Mango. Makes driving and texting a whole lot safer.
Oh, is it Nuance-based there?
if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating
Welcome to the way Apple does things.
We have a free seat at table number 6,524, would you like a first-gen iPhone that is perfectly capable of MMS, video recording, and voice recognition while you wait?
I could care less about this feature.
You could? It doesn't sound like you could.
The functionality already works very well in Mango. Makes driving and texting a whole lot safer.
WP7, Kindle Fire, and Nokia N9 show you don't have to blatantly steal Apple's IP to make a decent product. I wish the Samgungulaters would realize that.
* That's not really working. Any better ideas?
You could? It doesn't sound like you could.
I care less about NFL. But it's close.
...so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales.
And that would be bad for Apple how?
I would argue the opposite as you do below. Google uses the Cloud for voice commands for two reasons 1) Android phones to date have lacked the processing power to analyze the voice data so it has been a necessity to do the heavy lifting in the cloud, and 2) Google is harvesting voice data for who knows what purposes. It probably doesn't want to pay for a license from a company like Nuisance, which has tons of voice data.
If the phone has the processing power to do the heavy lifting on the device that offers benefits in terms of not needing to be tied to the network, efficiency, and privacy.
Couple of milliseconds on android is lag? You can't even perceive that as a human, lol.
I doubt that Apple's product will even come close to Android if it doesn't access the cloud. Sucks for "millions of people on ATT", or a large chunk of your internal, non-swappable storage will be consumed just for this on an iphone.
Android is doing it today, and doing it VERY well as part of the OS.
Let's see what Apple is "cook-ing", pun intended.
I don't see any reason for this sort of voice control to require any hardware that the iphone4 doesn't already have, namely, a mic, and... well, just a mic, so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales. I realize that the iphone5 will likely run an A5 chip instead of the current iphone's A4, but I'm kind of dubious that this functionality would NEED an A5 to make it work, and not work on an A4.
I don't see any reason for this sort of voice control to require any hardware that the iphone4 doesn't already have, namely, a mic, and... well, just a mic, so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales. I realize that the iphone5 will likely run an A5 chip instead of the current iphone's A4, but I'm kind of dubious that this functionality would NEED an A5 to make it work, and not work on an A4.
I concur. As much as I love Apple, they are bastards about excluding legacy hardware when they could just as easily support it. True fanboys will say that's because they want the new feature to run flawlessly and the user experience to be perfect... for some new technologies that may be true, and for some new technologies it's truly a technical limitation the old hardware doesn't support or can't handle. However, in this case and many others, it's for the sole reason to sell more hardware and make more money.
However, in this case and many others, it's for the sole reason to sell more hardware and make more money.
Every decision a for-profit company makes should be for their overall financial benefit. Everything! If you're suggesting Microsoft supports legacy HW and code because of altruistic behaviour then I'll point out their massive customer base paying licensing fees for legacy HW and code.
So basically it will work more or less like voice commands in Android..... (I have an android phone and contrary to propaganda they work pretty well)
I wonder if the popup keyboard will have a mic button like Android. I find that to be a very handy way to enter text into virtually any text input field? It does not always understand everything I say, but it is usually close enough so that it is faster to edit the text than to type it all in....
If it's anything like Siri, it will not be like Android's implementation. The cool thing about Siri was that it actually DID things. It used plug-ins to ACT on commands like, "Get me a reservation for 2 tonight at 7 PM at Sushi Raw". It could book a table, hail a cab, look up "what's going on" in a certain area, check for "the best Japanese restaurant by work", and other complicated things.
Of course, there is straight voice-to-text and vice versa (e.g. reading SMSs to you while you drive). But Assistant should be much more than that.
Yep. And if they hype the hell out of this iteration, my guess is that they will use a video. I will be astounded if they give a live demo.
I am not a fan of the long hold of the Home Button for accessing Voice Control, a service I oft use on my iPhone. I want something that is faster to access, especially if it's going to be offering considerably more utility than currently found in iOS 4.x/5.0. While I doubt it I do hope that moving of the volume/mute switch to the other side is actually an Assistant button that will access the feature immediately when pressed on the new G5 iPhone.
If Apple would just replace the mechanical button with a capacitive button like I have on my back up phone (Samsung Focus). I love that in Mango I can just hold it for one second (light touch) and then do full texting and replying via voice. I really expect Apple's voice control to better than that of Mango. I hope I am not disappointed.
Android is doing it today, and doing it VERY well as part of the OS.
Strange that you 'care' what Apple is doing if your Android device is so perfect.
J.
Every decision a for-profit company makes should be for their overall financial benefit. Everything! If you're suggesting Microsoft supports legacy HW and code because of altruistic behaviour then I'll point out their massive customer base paying licensing fees for legacy HW and code.
Yeah, dont piss off the customer would help the bottom line in the long run.
Yeah, dont piss off the customer would help the bottom line in the long run.
That's part of the overall financial benefit, which is why a company with such a massive mindshare as Apple had to do an impromptu special event about the iPhone 4 antenna and give away cases, and has such an amazing replacement and repair policy even for when it's clearly the customer's fault. It's just better for their bottom line in the long run and their ratings on polls, growth and profit compared to their industries show they are building more bridges than they are burning.
Every decision a for-profit company makes should be for their overall financial benefit. Everything! If you're suggesting Microsoft supports legacy HW and code because of altruistic behaviour then I'll point out their massive customer base paying licensing fees for legacy HW and code.
I didn't say it wasn't a (or possibly the only) reasonable or expected motive of a for-profit company. As a shareholder I want them to be as profitable as possible. I just said it's their reason.
However, a little good will can buy a lot of repeat customers.
Couple of milliseconds on android is lag? You can't even perceive that as a human, lol.
I doubt that Apple's product will even come close to Android if it doesn't access the cloud. Sucks for "millions of people on ATT", or a large chunk of your internal, non-swappable storage will be consumed just for this on an iphone.
Android is doing it today, and doing it VERY well as part of the OS.
Let's see what Apple is "cook-ing", pun intended.
milliseconds? When I do it on my Nexus it takes 2-4 seconds to work over Wifi with a fast internet connection. And half the time it spits out the wrong text.
Yes Android is at least doing it and I commend them for that. But what the video above showed and what Android does is not even on the same playing field. Android looks like broken sticks again compared to the video showing what's purportedly on the iPhone 5.
I don't see any reason for this sort of voice control to require any hardware that the iphone4 doesn't already have, namely, a mic, and... well, just a mic, so if they make this stuff available only on the iphone5 HW running ios5, and not the iphone4 HW running ios5, that will be VERY irritating, as it would seem like just an artificial limitation to push iphone5 HW sales. I realize that the iphone5 will likely run an A5 chip instead of the current iphone's A4, but I'm kind of dubious that this functionality would NEED an A5 to make it work, and not work on an A4.
If its done on device then heck yeah - it would require a MUCH faster CPU than the A4.