I'm still a little bit disoriented and lightheaded. You see, I just returned from the future twenty minutes ago and these trips are really starting to take their toll. On this trip, I ventured a few days into future, more precisely Tuesday morning, the fourth of October, 2011. To be expected, Apple hadn't yet posted their video of the keynote, but I did manage to copy the text from a website of a blog that was live blogging the event. Some of it got garbled during the return trip, but I managed to save some of it.
October 4, 2011
9:58 AM - Beatles music is playing in the background. I guess this means that event is about to begin.
10:01 AM - Yep, the lights are being dimmed and there is a sense of anticipation in the air
10:02 AM - Tim Book takes to the stage. Audience claps enthusiastically. Tim is smiling.
10:03 AM - SORRY! That's Tim Cook of course! I'm liveblogging from my iPhone and I have fat thumbs!
10:05 AM - Tim is talking sales figures and showing piecharts
10:07 AM - Apple is a juggernaut, no doubt about that
10:09 AM - iOS5 introduction! Scott Forstall takes the stage
10:10 AM - Demotime! Forstall is going to show off 5 of the biggest new features in iOS5
10:12 AM - Wow! That voice recognition is the shizznizzle!
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10:28 AM - R.I.P. Classic iPod. Apple officially kills it today -
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10:31 AM - Tim Cook is back on stage
10:32 AM - Finally! It's time for the new iPhone!
10:33 AM - What? It looks the same as the old iPhone! wtf?
10:34 AM - The internals are bumped up, but otherwise, it looks the same
10:35 AM - Wait! What's this?
10:36 AM - It's another new iPhone! And this one looks like a shrunken iPad 2! They're releasing two different models!
10:37 AM - Audience is cheering, everybody's going wild!! Huge roars erupt! 3 women faint!
I don't think you understand - Apple skates to where the puck is going to be. "Last month's phone" is not Apple's style. They will give a breakthrough design that will last another 16 months and everyone else will copy it, only to have Apple raise the bar once again.
Or maybe not? Time will tell.
You're using the (by now tiresome) hockey metaphor on the Ankleskater guy?
What is your evidence that "Last month's phone" is not Apple's style? They have released 4 phone designs. Two of them are identical in form factor. Three of them are nearly indistinguishable from the front. Furthermore, a large % of their smartphone sales is 3GS, as in "Last month's phone".
Look also the iMac design. In the last few years, changes have been subtle. In fact, iPhone 4 looks like a small iMac.
Reality is that Apple develops a basic form factor they like, and often stick with it for 2-3 years. Most of their designs last quite a bit longer than 16 months. The only exception has been the iPod series.
Features aren't just about hardware. Which is something that several posters need to figure out.
That's an excuse - if features are not about hardware then they are about software. Therefore it doesn't matter what hardware is released because it is all about software. Except it is the guys who love the idea of the 4S who also eulogise the Camera, and the new processor. So it is about hardware. Or if you push em, hardware and software. Which is another way of saying:hardware. Because the software will be the same on the 3GS.
I think that changes in hardware design matter. Apple is as much about how things look from the outside, as much as how they work on the inside. Industrial design is the reason why they are successful, in fact - with some lamented exceptions like the cube. Which looked good, nevertheless.
So I would be happier with less of a camera, less of a processor bump, less of a GPU bump, but more outward design changes. Including screen.
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Most of the world doesn't come to sites like this and has no clue what the rumors are. So they don't know the hype to be disappointed.
Most of the world will be disappointed anyway. As will the stock market.
As soon as you demonstrate that you constitute the entire phone market, then your views might be relevant.
As it is, I'll trust Apple's views of the market over yours.
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me. I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
I guess my low post count makes me a target of ridicule instead of posters giving someone new a little respect. So I won't bore you on this thread anymore. Guess I'll stick to the boards that at least listen, instead of immediately attack. Good bye.
That's an excuse - if features are not about hardware then they are about software. Therefore it doesn't matter what hardware is released because it is all about software. Except it is the guys who love the idea of the 4S who also eulogise the Camera, and the new processor. So it is about hardware. Or if you push em, hardware and software. Which is another way of saying:hardware. Because the software will be the same on the 3GS.
Eulogise the camera? What does that mean, if I may ask?
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me. I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
I guess my low post count makes me a target of ridicule instead of posters giving someone new a little respect. So I won't bore you on this thread anymore. Guess I'll stick to the boards that at least listen, instead of immediately attack. Good bye.
Stay. He was being a bully. Your opinion matters because it reflects a lot of opinion regarding an iPhone 4s vs an iPhone 5. He also made the same argument against me despite my 1,200+ posts.
Frankly this statement:
As soon as you demonstrate that you constitute the entire phone market, then your views might be relevant.
is trite. It also invalidates criticism of any company by anybody, regardless of what the company does, or releases; because no one person constitutes the entire phone, or PC, or any market.
What is your evidence that "Last month's phone" is not Apple's style?
Every phone that they have ever released was revolutionary, compared with the hardware the other guys had at the time.
And a spec refresh of the i4 would not serve to do that. I disagree with you that Apple's style, at least WRT phones, is to release hardware that seems dated even upon release. The only way they have gotten away with infrequent releases has been because each iteration suddenly became some of the best hardware on the market. If the current, overdue release is just a refresh, then IMO Apple will have changed strategy.
Stay. He was being a bully. Your opinion matters because it reflects a lot of opinion regarding an iPhone 4s vs an iPhone 5. He also made the same argument against me despite my 1,200+ posts.
Frankly this statement:
As soon as you demonstrate that you constitute the entire phone market, then your views might be relevant.
is trite. It also invalidates criticism of any company by anybody, regardless of what the company does, or releases; because no one person constitutes the entire phone, or PC, or any market.
Ignore it.
Thanks! I'm glad to be here, but really thought the comment was trite as well, and I was having a bad day, and that just kind of set me off. BTW, just an FYI. The reason that I will be looking carefully at what the new iPhone offers, is that we are an iPhone family. I have 4 3GS phones, and cannot upgrade only mine. So if the normal $199-$299 price point holds true for the new phone, I am looking at over $900 to upgrade, so it is not a trivial decision for me.
Personally, I do not care if it is called 4S or 5, that doesn't matter. I will be looking at ALL of the new hardware features to decide if it works for us.
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me. I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
I guess my low post count makes me a target of ridicule instead of posters giving someone new a little respect. So I won't bore you on this thread anymore. Guess I'll stick to the boards that at least listen, instead of immediately attack. Good bye.
That's an excuse - if features are not about hardware then they are about software. Therefore it doesn't matter what hardware is released because it is all about software. Except it is the guys who love the idea of the 4S who also eulogise the Camera, and the new processor. So it is about hardware. Or if you push em, hardware and software. Which is another way of saying:hardware. Because the software will be the same on the 3GS.
Who 'eulogized' the iPhone 4S? I've seen two groups of people here:
1. Those who arbitrarily and without factual basis label the 4S a failure (including the laughable ones who say that the 4S would be a failure but an iPhone 5 a success - without defining any difference between them)
2. Those who say that it will be whatever it is and then the market will determine its success. I happen to fall into this group. No one here knows whether a speedbumped phone with better camera and more RAM will be a success or whether it requires a different form factor. I can, however, say that Apple probably has a far better handle on the matter than the people who have labeled it a failure.
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Originally Posted by asdasd
Most of the world will be disappointed anyway. As will the stock market.
And that's the classic example of know-it-all loudmouthed people. You've already decided in your head that the world will be disappointed as will the stock market. No need for facts. No need for evidence. Simply your supreme, omniscience tells us that it wlll be a failure - and no one has any right to disagree with you.
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Originally Posted by goofy1958
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me.
That's not what transpired. If someone said that they personally didn't see the need to upgrade, that's a personal opinion and they're entitled to that. The problem is that so many haters here are insisting that the product will be a flop and that it's a huge disappointment to everyone - which means that they are extrapolating their own opinions to everyone else. THAT is not acceptable.
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Originally Posted by goofy1958
I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
And that's the point. So many people here have labeled the product a failure without any evidence but their own biased opinions. The market will tell us whether the product is a success or not - not some loud-mouthed Apple-haters on AI.
Oh, and just to forestall all the falsehoods that will probably be spread, I don't have any idea whether there will be one new iPhone or 2. Nor do I know what the feature set will be. I simply trust Apple do have a better handle on the market than anonymous loudmouths on an internet forum.
I'd be fine with an improved iPhone 4 design and a low-end version too. Android phones really don't interest me, but obviously Apple needs to deliver on features to stay competitive. All of this is really speculation until Tuesday's announcement. Just as important, in my opinion, is Apple's delivery of iOS 5 with promised features and ontime.
I find it interesting that this conversation seems to have a very iPhone versus Android slant. While I am not suggesting that others run out and buy a Windows 7 phone running Mango, I will say that Win7 Mango is an excellent OS for ease of use, and is good looking to boot. The platform is very limited on apps (compared to iOS), but if apps are not your thing and you are looking to switch from iOS...there are other options.
Having said that, once the next iPhone (whatever it is) comes out, my Samsung Focus will be my back up phone since I am so heavily invested in very specific iOS apps. I had thought about using the Focus and buying an iPad, but it just simpler to have once device.
I'm 75% sure that there will be an iPhone 5 with a larger screen, but even it there's only a 4S with upgraded internals I'll still get it as my 3G has become ancient.
If it's only a 4S then I'll be a bit disappointed because I know that it will become old as soon as the new 5 is introduced, which may be in a few months. I've been waiting almost 9 months for the new phone and then to end up with a partial upgrade which becomes obsolete in another 3/4 months will be upsetting.
That raises the question: if there's no iPhone 5 now then when will it be introduced? 3-4 months from now or 1 year? If it comes in a few months then I'll be peeved.
I know that my disappointment will be because I've been following the rumours but 99% of the people aren't so it won't be a big deal to them. But the analysts and writers DO follow the rumour mill and they'll write negative reports that may effect the opinion of those 99%.
I can already think of parallels with the Windows/Mac fight. Despite Apple's protestations of the Mac's superiority Windows ended up taking over 90% of the market and Mac was reduced to 2-3% at their bottom. If Apple start taking their customers for granted we may see a repeat with iOS vs. Android.
Bottom line: Apple had better come up with the iPhone 5 or there WILL be a negative response from the market.
One thing I have liked about the Phone 4 design as opposed to the alleged tapered sides iPhone 5 is that you can turn on video recording or iChat and balance the phone on its end or side, upon a flat, level surface and it will stand up and record very stable video. With a tapered design we would likely lose that ability. The impromptu sudo tripod feature - seldom used but nice to have.
Who 'eulogized' the iPhone 4S? I've seen two groups of people here:
...
And that's the classic example of know-it-all loudmouthed people. You've already decided in your head that the world will be disappointed as will the stock market. No need for facts. No need for evidence. Simply your supreme, omniscience tells us that it wlll be a failure - and no one has any right to disagree with you.
That's not what transpired. If someone said that they personally didn't see the need to upgrade, that's a personal opinion and they're entitled to that. The problem is that so many haters here are insisting that the product will be a flop and that it's a huge disappointment to everyone - which means that they are extrapolating their own opinions to everyone else. THAT is not acceptable.
And that's the point. So many people here have labeled the product a failure without any evidence but their own biased opinions. The market will tell us whether the product is a success or not - not some loud-mouthed Apple-haters on AI.
Oh, and just to forestall all the falsehoods that will probably be spread, I don't have any idea whether there will be one new iPhone or 2. Nor do I know what the feature set will be. I simply trust Apple do have a better handle on the market than anonymous loudmouths on an internet forum.
Just because someone says he will be disappointed if Apple doesn't launch their dream-phone doesn't make him an "Apple-hater". If anything, the opposite assumption would be more logical.
And the gratuitously-snarkiest-post-of-the-thread comment you made to Kevin just proves that it's you who is the "anonymous loudmouth", to put it kindly.
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I'm still a little bit disoriented and lightheaded. You see, I just returned from the future twenty minutes ago and these trips are really starting to take their toll. On this trip, I ventured a few days into future, more precisely Tuesday morning, the fourth of October, 2011. To be expected, Apple hadn't yet posted their video of the keynote, but I did manage to copy the text from a website of a blog that was live blogging the event. Some of it got garbled during the return trip, but I managed to save some of it.
October 4, 2011
9:58 AM - Beatles music is playing in the background. I guess this means that event is about to begin.
10:01 AM - Yep, the lights are being dimmed and there is a sense of anticipation in the air
10:02 AM - Tim Book takes to the stage. Audience claps enthusiastically. Tim is smiling.
10:03 AM - SORRY! That's Tim Cook of course! I'm liveblogging from my iPhone and I have fat thumbs!
10:05 AM - Tim is talking sales figures and showing piecharts
10:07 AM - Apple is a juggernaut, no doubt about that
10:09 AM - iOS5 introduction! Scott Forstall takes the stage
10:10 AM - Demotime! Forstall is going to show off 5 of the biggest new features in iOS5
10:12 AM - Wow! That voice recognition is the shizznizzle!
..
..
..
..
10:28 AM - R.I.P. Classic iPod. Apple officially kills it today -
..
..
10:31 AM - Tim Cook is back on stage
10:32 AM - Finally! It's time for the new iPhone!
10:33 AM - What? It looks the same as the old iPhone! wtf?
10:34 AM - The internals are bumped up, but otherwise, it looks the same
10:35 AM - Wait! What's this?
10:36 AM - It's another new iPhone! And this one looks like a shrunken iPad 2! They're releasing two different models!
10:37 AM - Audience is cheering, everybody's going wild!! Huge roars erupt! 3 women faint!
..
..
..
..
..
..
16:01 PM EST - AAPL closes at $472.35
I don't think you understand - Apple skates to where the puck is going to be. "Last month's phone" is not Apple's style. They will give a breakthrough design that will last another 16 months and everyone else will copy it, only to have Apple raise the bar once again.
Or maybe not? Time will tell.
You're using the (by now tiresome) hockey metaphor on the Ankleskater guy?
What is your evidence that "Last month's phone" is not Apple's style? They have released 4 phone designs. Two of them are identical in form factor. Three of them are nearly indistinguishable from the front. Furthermore, a large % of their smartphone sales is 3GS, as in "Last month's phone".
Look also the iMac design. In the last few years, changes have been subtle. In fact, iPhone 4 looks like a small iMac.
Reality is that Apple develops a basic form factor they like, and often stick with it for 2-3 years. Most of their designs last quite a bit longer than 16 months. The only exception has been the iPod series.
Features aren't just about hardware. Which is something that several posters need to figure out.
That's an excuse - if features are not about hardware then they are about software. Therefore it doesn't matter what hardware is released because it is all about software. Except it is the guys who love the idea of the 4S who also eulogise the Camera, and the new processor. So it is about hardware. Or if you push em, hardware and software. Which is another way of saying:hardware. Because the software will be the same on the 3GS.
I think that changes in hardware design matter. Apple is as much about how things look from the outside, as much as how they work on the inside. Industrial design is the reason why they are successful, in fact - with some lamented exceptions like the cube. Which looked good, nevertheless.
So I would be happier with less of a camera, less of a processor bump, less of a GPU bump, but more outward design changes. Including screen.
Most of the world doesn't come to sites like this and has no clue what the rumors are. So they don't know the hype to be disappointed.
Most of the world will be disappointed anyway. As will the stock market.
As soon as you demonstrate that you constitute the entire phone market, then your views might be relevant.
As it is, I'll trust Apple's views of the market over yours.
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me. I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
I guess my low post count makes me a target of ridicule instead of posters giving someone new a little respect. So I won't bore you on this thread anymore. Guess I'll stick to the boards that at least listen, instead of immediately attack. Good bye.
That's an excuse - if features are not about hardware then they are about software. Therefore it doesn't matter what hardware is released because it is all about software. Except it is the guys who love the idea of the 4S who also eulogise the Camera, and the new processor. So it is about hardware. Or if you push em, hardware and software. Which is another way of saying:hardware. Because the software will be the same on the 3GS.
Eulogise the camera? What does that mean, if I may ask?
Eulogise the camera? What does that mean, if I may ask?
praise.
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me. I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
I guess my low post count makes me a target of ridicule instead of posters giving someone new a little respect. So I won't bore you on this thread anymore. Guess I'll stick to the boards that at least listen, instead of immediately attack. Good bye.
Stay. He was being a bully. Your opinion matters because it reflects a lot of opinion regarding an iPhone 4s vs an iPhone 5. He also made the same argument against me despite my 1,200+ posts.
Frankly this statement:
As soon as you demonstrate that you constitute the entire phone market, then your views might be relevant.
is trite. It also invalidates criticism of any company by anybody, regardless of what the company does, or releases; because no one person constitutes the entire phone, or PC, or any market.
Ignore it.
What is your evidence that "Last month's phone" is not Apple's style?
Every phone that they have ever released was revolutionary, compared with the hardware the other guys had at the time.
And a spec refresh of the i4 would not serve to do that. I disagree with you that Apple's style, at least WRT phones, is to release hardware that seems dated even upon release. The only way they have gotten away with infrequent releases has been because each iteration suddenly became some of the best hardware on the market. If the current, overdue release is just a refresh, then IMO Apple will have changed strategy.
Stay. He was being a bully. Your opinion matters because it reflects a lot of opinion regarding an iPhone 4s vs an iPhone 5. He also made the same argument against me despite my 1,200+ posts.
Frankly this statement:
As soon as you demonstrate that you constitute the entire phone market, then your views might be relevant.
is trite. It also invalidates criticism of any company by anybody, regardless of what the company does, or releases; because no one person constitutes the entire phone, or PC, or any market.
Ignore it.
Thanks! I'm glad to be here, but really thought the comment was trite as well, and I was having a bad day, and that just kind of set me off. BTW, just an FYI. The reason that I will be looking carefully at what the new iPhone offers, is that we are an iPhone family. I have 4 3GS phones, and cannot upgrade only mine. So if the normal $199-$299 price point holds true for the new phone, I am looking at over $900 to upgrade, so it is not a trivial decision for me.
Personally, I do not care if it is called 4S or 5, that doesn't matter. I will be looking at ALL of the new hardware features to decide if it works for us.
Thanks for listening.
Kevin
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me. I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
I guess my low post count makes me a target of ridicule instead of posters giving someone new a little respect. So I won't bore you on this thread anymore. Guess I'll stick to the boards that at least listen, instead of immediately attack. Good bye.
Please reconsider.
Most people here are polite (most of the time).
That's an excuse - if features are not about hardware then they are about software. Therefore it doesn't matter what hardware is released because it is all about software. Except it is the guys who love the idea of the 4S who also eulogise the Camera, and the new processor. So it is about hardware. Or if you push em, hardware and software. Which is another way of saying:hardware. Because the software will be the same on the 3GS.
Who 'eulogized' the iPhone 4S? I've seen two groups of people here:
1. Those who arbitrarily and without factual basis label the 4S a failure (including the laughable ones who say that the 4S would be a failure but an iPhone 5 a success - without defining any difference between them)
2. Those who say that it will be whatever it is and then the market will determine its success. I happen to fall into this group. No one here knows whether a speedbumped phone with better camera and more RAM will be a success or whether it requires a different form factor. I can, however, say that Apple probably has a far better handle on the matter than the people who have labeled it a failure.
Most of the world will be disappointed anyway. As will the stock market.
And that's the classic example of know-it-all loudmouthed people. You've already decided in your head that the world will be disappointed as will the stock market. No need for facts. No need for evidence. Simply your supreme, omniscience tells us that it wlll be a failure - and no one has any right to disagree with you.
My apologies. I was only representing my own opinion. I have no doubt that no matter what type of model is released, millions will buy it. I simply said I'll wait and see if it is truly worth the money for me.
That's not what transpired. If someone said that they personally didn't see the need to upgrade, that's a personal opinion and they're entitled to that. The problem is that so many haters here are insisting that the product will be a flop and that it's a huge disappointment to everyone - which means that they are extrapolating their own opinions to everyone else. THAT is not acceptable.
I certainly don't think that I know better than Apple what will sell. Heck, estimates are they are building 30 million of them!
And that's the point. So many people here have labeled the product a failure without any evidence but their own biased opinions. The market will tell us whether the product is a success or not - not some loud-mouthed Apple-haters on AI.
Oh, and just to forestall all the falsehoods that will probably be spread, I don't have any idea whether there will be one new iPhone or 2. Nor do I know what the feature set will be. I simply trust Apple do have a better handle on the market than anonymous loudmouths on an internet forum.
Having said that, once the next iPhone (whatever it is) comes out, my Samsung Focus will be my back up phone since I am so heavily invested in very specific iOS apps. I had thought about using the Focus and buying an iPad, but it just simpler to have once device.
If it's only a 4S then I'll be a bit disappointed because I know that it will become old as soon as the new 5 is introduced, which may be in a few months. I've been waiting almost 9 months for the new phone and then to end up with a partial upgrade which becomes obsolete in another 3/4 months will be upsetting.
That raises the question: if there's no iPhone 5 now then when will it be introduced? 3-4 months from now or 1 year? If it comes in a few months then I'll be peeved.
I know that my disappointment will be because I've been following the rumours but 99% of the people aren't so it won't be a big deal to them. But the analysts and writers DO follow the rumour mill and they'll write negative reports that may effect the opinion of those 99%.
I can already think of parallels with the Windows/Mac fight. Despite Apple's protestations of the Mac's superiority Windows ended up taking over 90% of the market and Mac was reduced to 2-3% at their bottom. If Apple start taking their customers for granted we may see a repeat with iOS vs. Android.
Bottom line: Apple had better come up with the iPhone 5 or there WILL be a negative response from the market.
Every phone that they have ever released was revolutionary, compared with the hardware the other guys had at the time.
Every iPhone has been revolutionary. Ok, that's just waaaaay over the top.
Might it be that the extra segment is for a new carrier, either in the US or otherwise?
That is a good point, may be because it is supposed to be both gsm/cdma compatible.
Is IOS5 to be released Tuesday and the Cloud as well. The invite only state let's talk iPhone??? IOS5 affects iPods and iPads.
Rumor has it and photos of the iPhone 4S Otter Box Case show the new phone to have the volume buttons on the right side above the sim slot.
Hello!! Is this not strange ???
Who 'eulogized' the iPhone 4S? I've seen two groups of people here:
...
And that's the classic example of know-it-all loudmouthed people. You've already decided in your head that the world will be disappointed as will the stock market. No need for facts. No need for evidence. Simply your supreme, omniscience tells us that it wlll be a failure - and no one has any right to disagree with you.
That's not what transpired. If someone said that they personally didn't see the need to upgrade, that's a personal opinion and they're entitled to that. The problem is that so many haters here are insisting that the product will be a flop and that it's a huge disappointment to everyone - which means that they are extrapolating their own opinions to everyone else. THAT is not acceptable.
And that's the point. So many people here have labeled the product a failure without any evidence but their own biased opinions. The market will tell us whether the product is a success or not - not some loud-mouthed Apple-haters on AI.
Oh, and just to forestall all the falsehoods that will probably be spread, I don't have any idea whether there will be one new iPhone or 2. Nor do I know what the feature set will be. I simply trust Apple do have a better handle on the market than anonymous loudmouths on an internet forum.
Just because someone says he will be disappointed if Apple doesn't launch their dream-phone doesn't make him an "Apple-hater". If anything, the opposite assumption would be more logical.
And the gratuitously-snarkiest-post-of-the-thread comment you made to Kevin just proves that it's you who is the "anonymous loudmouth", to put it kindly.