What engineer do you know that makes only $4.00 an hr
Apple does not hire people in the US to do manual labor. They hire people in the US who have brain power. Apparently, brain power is in short supply here in the US. This is why people remain out of work for extended periods of time instead of pulling themselves up by their boot straps.
Interestingly the gap is closing fast between the US and China from Engineering costs point of. A typical HW or SW engineer in China makes around $30-40k/year now. This was only $20k around 5 years ago. The GDP grown rate in China is 10%. Compared to the US rate of 2-3%. At this rate, China salaries double ever 10 years. I have already seen companies move engineering out of China and into other places around the world like eastern europe because China is getting too expensive.
Interestingly the gap is closing fast between the US and China from Engineering costs point of. A typical HW or SW engineer in China makes around $30-40k/year now. This was only $20k around 5 years ago. The GDP grown rate in China is 10%. Compared to the US rate of 2-3%. At this rate, China salaries double ever 10 years. I have already seen companies move engineering out of China and into other places around the world like eastern europe because China is getting too expensive.
Doubled from what? Who's talking Engineering but you? GDP growth when the average annual salary is well below the U.S poverty level.
Engineered in California. Says so right on the box.
Manufactured in China. Average salary in Shanghai is what? $10K a year? Reckon they are doing 40 hour weeks?
The post I replied to didn't say Engineering jobs but I reckon there are a few Engineering jobs skewing that Shanghai average.
No there is a big gap between China Engineering jobs and China manufacturing jobs. In manufacturing you are luck to make $6k/year (~$3/hr). Engineers get about 5-8 times this much.
No there is a big gap between China Engineering jobs and China manufacturing jobs. In manufacturing you are luck to make $6k/year (~$3/hr). Engineers get about 5-8 times this much.
They should level that. To each according to his need. It's not fair.
[...] I don't believe that any public officials should be allowed to receive gifts or favors from any company, as it is highly improper, it's a conflict of interests and it verges on bribery.
It's actually illegal over some small dollar value... although since the iPad2 hadn't been released yet, I guess the value is fairly arbitrary. In any case, I assume they just consider it a gift to the US gov, which is legal...
What engineer do you know that makes only $4.00 an hr
Apple does not hire people in the US to do manual labor. They hire people in the US who have brain power. Apparently, brain power is in short supply here in the US. This is why people remain out of work for extended periods of time instead of pulling themselves up by their boot straps.
Have you seen any evidence of any significant shortages in engineering? Usually even if there is a stated shortage, it means there isn't a surplus and that said workers are actually able to command a reasonable wage for their time.
Have you seen any evidence of any significant shortages in engineering? Usually even if there is a stated shortage, it means there isn't a surplus and that said workers are actually able to command a reasonable wage for their time.
Just to be clear.. There are different different levels within engineering which have shortages and other which have surplus. Most of the entry level/junior engineers are in surplus because kids are graduating out of school, yet entry level/junior level engineering jobs are being sent overseas. However, US corporations like to keep their senior level and architecture level position in the US. Obviously there are less engineers at the top of the pyramid as seniority goes up.
It's actually illegal over some small dollar value... although since the iPad2 hadn't been released yet, I guess the value is fairly arbitrary. In any case, I assume they just consider it a gift to the US gov, which is legal...
U.S. Constitution says it's naughty when it's a foriegn government king type. Frankly, if a few days advance and a few hundred bones buys a president, I'm checking out for good. Zombie Invasion Response Vehicle going into high gear.
yeah.. to be fair you would need a government put restrictions onto the companies to make it more fair. However, I think many people think the government should stay out of businesses and let the market decide. I think you would be for this concept. no?
Pure capitalism = bad. Free market = better. U.S. peeps lack the patience to let a free market work and I think the wireless market is a microcosm. They keep trying to tweak and tamper. All sides (I wont say both because it's naive to think it's two) have their special interests. They just call them loopholes when it's election convenient.
Just to be clear.. There are different different levels within engineering which have shortages and other which have surplus. Most of the entry level/junior engineers are in surplus because kids are graduating out of school, yet entry level/junior level engineering jobs are being sent overseas. However, US corporations like to keep their senior level and architecture level position in the US. Obviously there are less engineers at the top of the pyramid as seniority goes up.
There isn't even enough entry level engineers and programmers. I know companies that have been hiring for months and can't seem to get the positions filled in the US and yet I see people complain they can't find work. Well you have to tailor your skill set to the available jobs. You don't even need a college degree to get the jobs. You just need to be able to show you can do the work.
Pure capitalism = bad. Free market = better. U.S. peeps lack the patience to let a free market work and I think the wireless market is a microcosm. They keep trying to tweak and tamper. All sides (I wont say both because it's naive to think it's two) have their special interests. They just call them loopholes when it's election convenient.
Pure capitalism is the freest market. I some what agree with your overall sentiment in this post but...government being hands off is free market. Government regulation in any way is anti free market no matter how you spin it. You need a balance of business and government involvement to keep the economy growing. China has struck that balance and it's a communist country.
Pure capitalism is the freest market. I some what agree with your overall sentiment in this post but...government being hands off is free market. Government regulation in any way is anti free market no matter how you spin it. You need a balance of business and government involvement to keep the economy growing.
AdonismSMU is right. What China has is in some ways more free market/capitalistic then what the US has. Its State Capitalism. Dont confuse this with democracy which has nothing to do with the market economy.
excuse my ignorance here. I dont grasp the difference between Pure Capitalism and Free Market.
(pure capitalism) bad--> (free market? how is this diff then pure cap) better-> (what goes here??) great.
Pure capitalism let's one entity beat the shit out of another using a 3rd and unrelated market, i.e. Microsoft forcing vendors to prefer their IE browser to Netscape because they have sway in a completely unrelated market. Free Market lets things in the same Market compete. IMHO MS had long since been leveraging their desktop apps to squeeze OS cometitors out of the market but no one paid attention until it was too late and MS had a foothold. They the expanded that into the Server OS market. Shame on the Justice dept.
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We only have our own Walmart mentality to blame for this. There is a price for buying cheap.
Nay! Fresh college grads taking those jobs now.
Edit: but I'm sure you're the one who keeps going into Walmart offering to pay 2x the listed price and telling them to pay more for unskilled labor.
What engineer do you know that makes only $4.00 an hr
Apple does not hire people in the US to do manual labor. They hire people in the US who have brain power. Apparently, brain power is in short supply here in the US. This is why people remain out of work for extended periods of time instead of pulling themselves up by their boot straps.
Interestingly the gap is closing fast between the US and China from Engineering costs point of. A typical HW or SW engineer in China makes around $30-40k/year now. This was only $20k around 5 years ago. The GDP grown rate in China is 10%. Compared to the US rate of 2-3%. At this rate, China salaries double ever 10 years. I have already seen companies move engineering out of China and into other places around the world like eastern europe because China is getting too expensive.
Interestingly the gap is closing fast between the US and China from Engineering costs point of. A typical HW or SW engineer in China makes around $30-40k/year now. This was only $20k around 5 years ago. The GDP grown rate in China is 10%. Compared to the US rate of 2-3%. At this rate, China salaries double ever 10 years. I have already seen companies move engineering out of China and into other places around the world like eastern europe because China is getting too expensive.
Doubled from what? Who's talking Engineering but you? GDP growth when the average annual salary is well below the U.S poverty level.
Perhaps that's part of the plan.
Engineered in California. Says so right on the box.
Manufactured in China. Average salary in Shanghai is what? $10K a year? Reckon they are doing 40 hour weeks?
The post I replied to didn't say Engineering jobs but I reckon there are a few Engineering jobs skewing that Shanghai average.
No there is a big gap between China Engineering jobs and China manufacturing jobs. In manufacturing you are luck to make $6k/year (~$3/hr). Engineers get about 5-8 times this much.
No there is a big gap between China Engineering jobs and China manufacturing jobs. In manufacturing you are luck to make $6k/year (~$3/hr). Engineers get about 5-8 times this much.
They should level that. To each according to his need. It's not fair.
Nay! Fresh college grads taking those jobs now.
Edit: but I'm sure you're the one who keeps going into Walmart offering to pay 2x the listed price and telling them to pay more for unskilled labor.
Read my statement again carefully. Do you see anything hypocritical there?
[...] I don't believe that any public officials should be allowed to receive gifts or favors from any company, as it is highly improper, it's a conflict of interests and it verges on bribery.
It's actually illegal over some small dollar value... although since the iPad2 hadn't been released yet, I guess the value is fairly arbitrary. In any case, I assume they just consider it a gift to the US gov, which is legal...
What engineer do you know that makes only $4.00 an hr
Apple does not hire people in the US to do manual labor. They hire people in the US who have brain power. Apparently, brain power is in short supply here in the US. This is why people remain out of work for extended periods of time instead of pulling themselves up by their boot straps.
Have you seen any evidence of any significant shortages in engineering? Usually even if there is a stated shortage, it means there isn't a surplus and that said workers are actually able to command a reasonable wage for their time.
Read my statement again carefully. Do you see anything hypocritical there?
I do. Paying more than something is worth is called a gift - not an economic system.
Have you seen any evidence of any significant shortages in engineering? Usually even if there is a stated shortage, it means there isn't a surplus and that said workers are actually able to command a reasonable wage for their time.
Just to be clear.. There are different different levels within engineering which have shortages and other which have surplus. Most of the entry level/junior engineers are in surplus because kids are graduating out of school, yet entry level/junior level engineering jobs are being sent overseas. However, US corporations like to keep their senior level and architecture level position in the US. Obviously there are less engineers at the top of the pyramid as seniority goes up.
It's actually illegal over some small dollar value... although since the iPad2 hadn't been released yet, I guess the value is fairly arbitrary. In any case, I assume they just consider it a gift to the US gov, which is legal...
U.S. Constitution says it's naughty when it's a foriegn government king type. Frankly, if a few days advance and a few hundred bones buys a president, I'm checking out for good. Zombie Invasion Response Vehicle going into high gear.
I do. Paying more than something is worth is called a gift - not an economic system.
please quote what I said and show me where I say that I pay more then what something is worth. I think you misread what I typed.
yeah.. to be fair you would need a government put restrictions onto the companies to make it more fair. However, I think many people think the government should stay out of businesses and let the market decide. I think you would be for this concept. no?
Pure capitalism = bad. Free market = better. U.S. peeps lack the patience to let a free market work and I think the wireless market is a microcosm. They keep trying to tweak and tamper. All sides (I wont say both because it's naive to think it's two) have their special interests. They just call them loopholes when it's election convenient.
Just to be clear.. There are different different levels within engineering which have shortages and other which have surplus. Most of the entry level/junior engineers are in surplus because kids are graduating out of school, yet entry level/junior level engineering jobs are being sent overseas. However, US corporations like to keep their senior level and architecture level position in the US. Obviously there are less engineers at the top of the pyramid as seniority goes up.
There isn't even enough entry level engineers and programmers. I know companies that have been hiring for months and can't seem to get the positions filled in the US and yet I see people complain they can't find work. Well you have to tailor your skill set to the available jobs. You don't even need a college degree to get the jobs. You just need to be able to show you can do the work.
Pure capitalism = bad. Free market = better. U.S. peeps lack the patience to let a free market work and I think the wireless market is a microcosm. They keep trying to tweak and tamper. All sides (I wont say both because it's naive to think it's two) have their special interests. They just call them loopholes when it's election convenient.
Pure capitalism is the freest market. I some what agree with your overall sentiment in this post but...government being hands off is free market. Government regulation in any way is anti free market no matter how you spin it. You need a balance of business and government involvement to keep the economy growing. China has struck that balance and it's a communist country.
Pure capitalism = bad. Free market = better.
excuse my ignorance here. I dont grasp the difference between Pure Capitalism and Free Market.
(pure capitalism) bad--> (free market? how is this diff then pure cap) better-> (what goes here??) great.
Pure capitalism is the freest market. I some what agree with your overall sentiment in this post but...government being hands off is free market. Government regulation in any way is anti free market no matter how you spin it. You need a balance of business and government involvement to keep the economy growing.
AdonismSMU is right. What China has is in some ways more free market/capitalistic then what the US has. Its State Capitalism. Dont confuse this with democracy which has nothing to do with the market economy.
excuse my ignorance here. I dont grasp the difference between Pure Capitalism and Free Market.
(pure capitalism) bad--> (free market? how is this diff then pure cap) better-> (what goes here??) great.
Pure capitalism let's one entity beat the shit out of another using a 3rd and unrelated market, i.e. Microsoft forcing vendors to prefer their IE browser to Netscape because they have sway in a completely unrelated market. Free Market lets things in the same Market compete. IMHO MS had long since been leveraging their desktop apps to squeeze OS cometitors out of the market but no one paid attention until it was too late and MS had a foothold. They the expanded that into the Server OS market. Shame on the Justice dept.