How many millions did they decide to lose in order to express this respect? 10? 100?
Or did they decide that they could make more via a delay?
Or did they say "I don't care if it costs $100,000,00.00! I gots RESPECT!"
It's a keynote not the launch. It's not like the product is a secret anyway so it might cost them a little money but not enough that the CEOs are going to get raked over the coals by the stockholders over.
Uh, it's google. They have thousands of developers they can re-direct onto a project. But more likely the have to find something to outshine Siri in some way...
p.s. Siri isn't voice recognition software. It uses voice recognition to feed into an artificial intelligence engine (mostly based upon wolfram alpha)
Siri is NOT based on Wolfram Alpha; however, these are related technologies because both have integrated natural language processing.
As for the voice recognition part (or rather, speech recognition), Siri uses Nuance technology.
How many millions did they decide to lose in order to express this respect? 10? 100?
Or did they decide that they could make more via a delay?
Or did they say "I don't care if it costs $100,000,00.00! I gots RESPECT!"
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It's a keynote not the launch. It's not like the product is a secret anyway so it might cost them a little money but not enough that the CEOs are going to get raked over the coals by the stockholders over.
Furthermore, the Nexus series is about providing a reference/showcase design. Past Nexus phones have not sold in millions, in part because that was not the intent. Furthermore, how much money does Google make off Android phones? This is their show more than Samsung's. By delaying the keynote, they really aren't losing that much. Page and Brin are ultimate geeks who are believable in their respect for Jobs. Those who pride themselves in knowing the technology scene would/should get this.
I can well believe several of the principals at Google would find it very difficult to make a public presentation so soon after Jobs' passing. All but that SOB Gundotra. He's a complete@ss.
Samsung probably has to go with whatever Google wants in this situation, too.
A new product introduction should be a joyous occasion, and you wouldn't want customers to feel that buying your product is like trampling over Jobs' fresh grave. Yes, it's a matter of civility, which translates to business.
General Patton was said to have great respect for Rommel, ...
Even in the harshest of wars there's room for civility. It should be no surprise to see such civility in a far less important context of corporate competition.
I don't believe for one second that Patton volunteered to lose men or other assets due to such respect.
Neither do I believe that Google or Samsung have volunteered to lose any significant amount of money due to such respect.
Indeed, I think that they calculated that more people would buy more product if they delayed the launch, and that they would thereby make more profit.
Evil? It's not good or evil, it's business. Stopping a product because someone died simply doesn't make sense from a business perspective unless there are other business-realted reasons involved. Apple didn't stop their event when Jobs was on his death bed. Apple isn't stopping the preorders and releases of products because Jobs passed away. Last time I checked Apple is a lot closer to Jobs than some Ice Cream Sandwich OS update.
From a purely business perspective:
1) Apple can gain PR advantage by continuing without interruption -- and doing what [they think] Steve would have wanted...
2) Google and Sammy (and others) can gain PR advantages by delaying -- to show respect for a fallen [enemy] leader...
I suspect that Google/Sammy will quickly regain whatever they lose through a slight delay, and they will, in turn, earn some respect from their enemies.
It does no harm for a business to show respect for a competitor -- the same as for individuals.
It's the 21-gun salute, flying the flag at half mast, a moment of silence.
...even if you only honor someone else out of respect for yourself!
We see that you just announced your next big thing. As it stands, you will be hailed as having the best-in-class camera, and groundbreaking speech technology in Siri that will truly revolutionize the way people use smartphones. We realize that our speech technology will be reviewed unfavorably next to yours, and that many who like or need to use that functionality will walk away from our platform and go to yours without at least a token response from us.
We wanted you to have a reasonable window in the market as the undisputed thought, product, and marketing leader once again. That way, you will be able to maximize sales of your new product line, unabated by us. We want to do this because of our profound respect for Steve Jobs. The world mourns his loss, and we mourn with you. We are sorry for all the petty intellectual property theft and groundless lawsuits, so we want to offer this as a downpayment for all the misery we caused you for no good reason.
When your sales hit ten million units of the new device, and fifty million of those free phones that you will sell in short order, only then will we humbly present a stripped down offering of what we have intended if that's OK with you.
2) Google and Sammy (and others) can gain PR advantages by delaying -- to show respect for a fallen [enemy] leader...
There you go. They using his death to their advantage. There is nothing wrong with this. Business isn't about being emotional, but if you can leverage it in others you can benefit from it.
PS: What benefit would they get if their news was overshadowed by news of Jobs. It would hurt their announcement. I'm just trying to get across that this isn't an altruistic gesture, it's just making the business strategy you can at any given moment.
It follows their original dessert-orineted naming convention, which was bad from the start.
Note that each begins with a consecutive letter of the alphabet starting with 'A' and Ice Cream Sandwich is a sandwiching, so to speak, of their smartphone and tablet versions of Android.
I'm inclined to think that this cancellation is more about Steve's death overshadowing this event, than it being out of respect. They want to grab all the headlines, rather than be largely ignored by the media at this time.
Come on, people. As much as internet commenter fanboys deride Steve Jobs, 99% of people in the tech industry have an enormous respect for him - even if he drove them crazy at times. I think it's pretty tacky to undercut a gesture of goodwill. There is no evidence to suggest that it is merely a cynical PR move. Eric Schmidt was on the board of directors at Apple for 3 years, for goodness sake. Even if they had a falling out, I am sure Jobs' passing has had a personal impact on many at Google.
If I were in charge at Google, I'd probably do the same thing. If nothing else, it would appear crass and tone-deaf to do a product launch at this time. I know this is an Apple-cenetric website, but that doesn't mean we have to demonize Apple's competitors.
My guess is the introductory speech involved a lot of cuts at Apple for not being innovative, for suing competitors, for being closed, etc, rather like the Google I/O event where they ranted about saving the world from a totalitarian Apple. They no doubt need to re-work the whole thing now.
No doubt that you are correct...
...But delaying the preso to remove offensive material [due to Steve's death] is a form of respect...
It follows their original dessert-orineted naming convention, which was bad from the start.
Note that each begins with a consecutive letter of the alphabet starting with 'A' and Ice Cream Sandwich is a sandwiching, so to speak, of their smartphone and tablet versions of Android.
I'm inclined to think that this cancellation is more about Steve's death overshadowing this event, than it being out of respect. They want to grab all the headlines, rather than be largely ignored by the media at this time.
Regardless of the motive, it is The Right Thing To Do.
And yes, I realize we're pretty cynical sometimes when companies express any non-selfish motives, but I don't think there is any benefit in questioning the sincerity of such public statements, because it doesn't really matter; what matters is what they decide to do. And they did The Right Thing.
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How many millions did they decide to lose in order to express this respect? 10? 100?
Or did they decide that they could make more via a delay?
Or did they say "I don't care if it costs $100,000,00.00! I gots RESPECT!"
It's a keynote not the launch. It's not like the product is a secret anyway so it might cost them a little money but not enough that the CEOs are going to get raked over the coals by the stockholders over.
Uh, it's google. They have thousands of developers they can re-direct onto a project. But more likely the have to find something to outshine Siri in some way...
p.s. Siri isn't voice recognition software. It uses voice recognition to feed into an artificial intelligence engine (mostly based upon wolfram alpha)
Siri is NOT based on Wolfram Alpha; however, these are related technologies because both have integrated natural language processing.
As for the voice recognition part (or rather, speech recognition), Siri uses Nuance technology.
Siri uses Nuance technology.
. . . who just bought Swype, so expect a "better" keyboard may make it's way to Apple at some point too.
Out of respect? Google, maybe. But Samsung?
And an event that's still a week away? Odd.
Maybe the Ice Cream is still a little soft....
Or, more likely, they don't want to be seen as attempting to trash Steve and his creations so close to his death.
Whatever it is, there's a business decision behind it.
My exact thoughts.
How many millions did they decide to lose in order to express this respect? 10? 100?
Or did they decide that they could make more via a delay?
Or did they say "I don't care if it costs $100,000,00.00! I gots RESPECT!"
It's a keynote not the launch. It's not like the product is a secret anyway so it might cost them a little money but not enough that the CEOs are going to get raked over the coals by the stockholders over.
Furthermore, the Nexus series is about providing a reference/showcase design. Past Nexus phones have not sold in millions, in part because that was not the intent. Furthermore, how much money does Google make off Android phones? This is their show more than Samsung's. By delaying the keynote, they really aren't losing that much. Page and Brin are ultimate geeks who are believable in their respect for Jobs. Those who pride themselves in knowing the technology scene would/should get this.
I call BS. Something went wrong and they're using this as an excuse to buy some time.
Even if true, it's nice spin.
Very classy. My opinion of Google and Samsung goes up around 5 notches.
Here's very not classy:
rms, freetardism's dear leader posted this:
http://stallman.org/archives/2011-ju...8Steve_Jobs%29
World's biggest jerk. I would say that my opinion of RMS dropped 5 notches but it was rock bottom already.
I personally met Stallman. I could've told you he's the worlds biggest jerk!
Samsung probably has to go with whatever Google wants in this situation, too.
A new product introduction should be a joyous occasion, and you wouldn't want customers to feel that buying your product is like trampling over Jobs' fresh grave. Yes, it's a matter of civility, which translates to business.
General Patton was said to have great respect for Rommel, ...
Even in the harshest of wars there's room for civility. It should be no surprise to see such civility in a far less important context of corporate competition.
I don't believe for one second that Patton volunteered to lose men or other assets due to such respect.
Neither do I believe that Google or Samsung have volunteered to lose any significant amount of money due to such respect.
Indeed, I think that they calculated that more people would buy more product if they delayed the launch, and that they would thereby make more profit.
Evil? It's not good or evil, it's business. Stopping a product because someone died simply doesn't make sense from a business perspective unless there are other business-realted reasons involved. Apple didn't stop their event when Jobs was on his death bed. Apple isn't stopping the preorders and releases of products because Jobs passed away. Last time I checked Apple is a lot closer to Jobs than some Ice Cream Sandwich OS update.
From a purely business perspective:
1) Apple can gain PR advantage by continuing without interruption -- and doing what [they think] Steve would have wanted...
2) Google and Sammy (and others) can gain PR advantages by delaying -- to show respect for a fallen [enemy] leader...
I suspect that Google/Sammy will quickly regain whatever they lose through a slight delay, and they will, in turn, earn some respect from their enemies.
It does no harm for a business to show respect for a competitor -- the same as for individuals.
It's the 21-gun salute, flying the flag at half mast, a moment of silence.
...even if you only honor someone else out of respect for yourself!
Dear Apple,
We see that you just announced your next big thing. As it stands, you will be hailed as having the best-in-class camera, and groundbreaking speech technology in Siri that will truly revolutionize the way people use smartphones. We realize that our speech technology will be reviewed unfavorably next to yours, and that many who like or need to use that functionality will walk away from our platform and go to yours without at least a token response from us.
We wanted you to have a reasonable window in the market as the undisputed thought, product, and marketing leader once again. That way, you will be able to maximize sales of your new product line, unabated by us. We want to do this because of our profound respect for Steve Jobs. The world mourns his loss, and we mourn with you. We are sorry for all the petty intellectual property theft and groundless lawsuits, so we want to offer this as a downpayment for all the misery we caused you for no good reason.
When your sales hit ten million units of the new device, and fifty million of those free phones that you will sell in short order, only then will we humbly present a stripped down offering of what we have intended if that's OK with you.
Sincerely,
Google and Samsung
Sure, I buy that.
You must have a sad life
From a purely business perspective:
2) Google and Sammy (and others) can gain PR advantages by delaying -- to show respect for a fallen [enemy] leader...
There you go. They using his death to their advantage. There is nothing wrong with this. Business isn't about being emotional, but if you can leverage it in others you can benefit from it.
PS: What benefit would they get if their news was overshadowed by news of Jobs. It would hurt their announcement. I'm just trying to get across that this isn't an altruistic gesture, it's just making the business strategy you can at any given moment.
Does anyone else think this is a HORRIBLE name??
It follows their original dessert-orineted naming convention, which was bad from the start.
Note that each begins with a consecutive letter of the alphabet starting with 'A' and Ice Cream Sandwich is a sandwiching, so to speak, of their smartphone and tablet versions of Android.
I'm inclined to think that this cancellation is more about Steve's death overshadowing this event, than it being out of respect. They want to grab all the headlines, rather than be largely ignored by the media at this time.
Come on, people. As much as internet commenter fanboys deride Steve Jobs, 99% of people in the tech industry have an enormous respect for him - even if he drove them crazy at times. I think it's pretty tacky to undercut a gesture of goodwill. There is no evidence to suggest that it is merely a cynical PR move. Eric Schmidt was on the board of directors at Apple for 3 years, for goodness sake. Even if they had a falling out, I am sure Jobs' passing has had a personal impact on many at Google.
If I were in charge at Google, I'd probably do the same thing. If nothing else, it would appear crass and tone-deaf to do a product launch at this time. I know this is an Apple-cenetric website, but that doesn't mean we have to demonize Apple's competitors.
My guess is the introductory speech involved a lot of cuts at Apple for not being innovative, for suing competitors, for being closed, etc, rather like the Google I/O event where they ranted about saving the world from a totalitarian Apple. They no doubt need to re-work the whole thing now.
No doubt that you are correct...
...But delaying the preso to remove offensive material [due to Steve's death] is a form of respect...
...And just common courtesy and common sense!
It follows their original dessert-orineted naming convention, which was bad from the start.
Note that each begins with a consecutive letter of the alphabet starting with 'A' and Ice Cream Sandwich is a sandwiching, so to speak, of their smartphone and tablet versions of Android.
What's next, Jello?
I'm inclined to think that this cancellation is more about Steve's death overshadowing this event, than it being out of respect. They want to grab all the headlines, rather than be largely ignored by the media at this time.
Regardless of the motive, it is The Right Thing To Do.
And yes, I realize we're pretty cynical sometimes when companies express any non-selfish motives, but I don't think there is any benefit in questioning the sincerity of such public statements, because it doesn't really matter; what matters is what they decide to do. And they did The Right Thing.