AT&T wants Apple to add '4G' indicator to iPhone 4S status bar

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  • Reply 41 of 98
    djrumpydjrumpy Posts: 1,116member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jonamac View Post


    I hear Apple criticised a lot for not quoting tech specs extensively and you're quite right, they miss the point. The rest of the industry has got bogged down in specs because that's the only differentiator they have because they don't control the software too. It's not a myth, Apple make their stuff work. The iPhone is a perfect example. It's not a million times more powerful than the competition, it's actually less powerful technically, but you'd never guess it using the thing because it WORKS better.



    The types stuck on specs will probably never understand. They need a yardstick, where Apple is all about the total experience. Kind of like a Jaguar. A nice car, probably runs pretty fast, but breaks down a lot. If it spends too much time in the shop, your enjoyment isn't going to be great. Spec whores will always be quick to proclaim something that is largely irrelevant to a typical Apple user. Most simply don't care. They hear that it just works and for the vast majority, that is perfectly fine.



    Probably the entire reason that Apple ranks highest in customer satisfaction for what, 8 years running?
  • Reply 42 of 98
    tenobelltenobell Posts: 7,014member
    720P was always apart of the HD specification. Later they tried to stretch 480P into it though.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iKol View Post


    And 720P by some is considered HD. Not buying this rationale.



  • Reply 43 of 98
    djrumpydjrumpy Posts: 1,116member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post


    720P was always apart of the HD specification. Later they tried to stretch 480P into it though.



    480P is considered EDTV (Enhanced Definition Television). It is not in the HDTV spec.
  • Reply 44 of 98
    Yeah... right up there next to the "ARM Inside" sticker on the front of the iPhone
  • Reply 45 of 98
    nofeernofeer Posts: 2,427member
    How about

    4S

    4 Steve
  • Reply 46 of 98
    jonamacjonamac Posts: 388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post


    The types stuck on specs will probably never understand. They need a yardstick, where Apple is all about the total experience. Kind of like a Jaguar. A nice car, probably runs pretty fast, but breaks down a lot. If it spends too much time in the shop, your enjoyment isn't going to be great. Spec whores will always be quick to proclaim something that is largely irrelevant to a typical Apple user. Most simply don't care. They hear that it just works and for the vast majority, that is perfectly fine.



    Probably the entire reason that Apple ranks highest in customer satisfaction for what, 8 years running?



    Of course, many say that's because Apple users don't know anything about technology. I'm fairly sure I do...



    Ah well, in the end it's only themselves they deprive. Switching to a mac in 2008 was one of the most enjoyable IT experiences I've ever had. I felt like someone had finally made the computer I'd make.
  • Reply 47 of 98
    djrumpydjrumpy Posts: 1,116member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jonamac View Post


    Of course, many say that's because Apple users don't know anything about technology. I'm fairly sure I do...



    Ah well, in the end it's only themselves they deprive. Switching to a mac in 2008 was one of the most enjoyable IT experiences I've ever had. I felt like someone had finally made the computer I'd make.



    Erie. I also switch in 07. Had the same realization and experience (I also work in IT). I've been doing Windows since 3.0. My last straw was Vista. Oddly enough it was printer and WiFi instability that finally drove me over the edge in frustration with dropped connections. I didn't realize that I would also get a very nice piece of hardware in the bargain. At the time I had gone through 2 top end HP laptops, 2 Dell's, and one Sony in the span of 5 years. All failed with various issues like cracked boards by the power plug, broken hinges, broken USB ports, and one failed display.



    My first mac from '07 (A 17" Macbook Pro) is still humming along. I replaced the power cord after 4 years due to constant twisting from winding it daily between classes (it's used by a student), but other than that, not a single failure.



    Never looked back
  • Reply 48 of 98
    bdkennedy1bdkennedy1 Posts: 1,459member
    Never going to happen. It's not actually 4G and Apple doesn't cut corners.
  • Reply 49 of 98
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iKol View Post


    And 720P by some is considered HD. Not buying this rationale.



    720P is HD. The difference in 480P and 720P is extreme. 720P and 1080P not so much.
  • Reply 50 of 98
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tobiwan View Post


    720P is HD. The difference in 480P and 720P is extreme. 720P and 1080P not so much.



    Think what you will.



    The telecoms apparently have the same train of thought.
  • Reply 51 of 98
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by tlevier View Post


    The iPhone Road Map. I win.



    1) iPhone

    2) iPhone 3G

    3) iPhone 3GS

    4) iPhone 4

    5) iPhone 4S

    -----

    6) iPhone 4G

    7) iPhone 4GS

    8) iPhone ∞

    9) iPhone ∞+1


    10) iPhone X (Cheetah)

    11) iPhone X.1 (Puma)

    12) iPhone X.2 (Jaguar)

    13) iPhone X.3 (Panther)

    14) iPhone X.4 (Tiger)

    15) iPhone X.5 (Leopard)

    16) iPhone X.6 (Snow Leopard)

    17) iPhone X.7 (Lion)



    Some changes.
  • Reply 52 of 98
    Will no one mention the glaring elephant in the room? The only reason AT&T wants to label it 4G is for MONEY!! Other carriers, as I'm sure AT&T, does, charges an additional $10 on top of data plans for 4G. AT&T wants to ring out as much money from it's customers as it can.
  • Reply 53 of 98
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Natemeins View Post


    Will no one mention the glaring elephant in the room? The only reason AT&T wants to label it 4G is for MONEY!! Other carriers, as I'm sure AT&T, does, charges an additional $10 on top of data plans for 4G. AT&T wants to ring out as much money from it's customers as it can.



    Of course it's about money but in this case I think it's strictly about marketing. I don't think they charge any more for data on their '4G' branded devices. I don't recall Verizon charging more for LTE '4G' devices, either; I only recall Sprint charging $10 more a month for their WiMAX '4G' devices regardless I you want WiMAX or even have access to WiMAX.
  • Reply 54 of 98
    One can safely bet the lawyers are already lining up to file class-action suits over the 4G indicator not representing true 4G.
  • Reply 55 of 98
    jonamacjonamac Posts: 388member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DJRumpy View Post


    Erie. I also switch in 07. Had the same realization and experience (I also work in IT). I've been doing Windows since 3.0. My last straw was Vista. Oddly enough it was printer and WiFi instability that finally drove me over the edge in frustration with dropped connections. I didn't realize that I would also get a very nice piece of hardware in the bargain. At the time I had gone through 2 top end HP laptops, 2 Dell's, and one Sony in the span of 5 years. All failed with various issues like cracked boards by the power plug, broken hinges, broken USB ports, and one failed display.



    My first mac from '07 (A 17" Macbook Pro) is still humming along. I replaced the power cord after 4 years due to constant twisting from winding it daily between classes (it's used by a student), but other than that, not a single failure.



    Never looked back



    Such a similar experience! I remember waiting literally minutes and minutes for Vista to 'identify my network' and then ask me to select whether it was a home network or a private one. Then there was UAC, my goodness, UAC... lol



    I had an Acer laptop I bought for £950 in 2005. Within a year the hinge was starting to crack and in two years it literally fell into two parts. I used to prop the screen up and take care not to snap the cable that ran from the keyboard to the screen! I notice Acer have since beefed up their hinges but they weren't too contrite when I got in touch.



    I now have a 15" 2010 MbP and it's still as immaculate as the day I got it a year on. My girlfriend also wearily took my advice and bought a 13" 2011 MbP and she's never looked back. She LOVES it, and cannot stand Windows any more. She scrunches up her face and just hates it lol. It's geeky how much I love watching that! haha



    My brother works in IT for a major University and he won't give macs a second thought. He knows I love them but he has all the usual misconceptions and won't be swayed, even though he has an iPhone 4 and loves it. He also had a 3G! My other brother saw my Mac Mini from 2008 and went out and bought an iMac. He loves it too, it's his pride and joy.



    The simple truth is, people love their macs. They really, really love them. The joy of ownership is so far beyond what any Windows PC can provide right now. It makes us an annoying breed because we harp on and on about it, but enthusiasm is a very refreshing thing.
  • Reply 56 of 98
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jd_in_sb View Post


    AT&T is shooting themselves in the foot here. When they actually roll out real 4G, what will their marketing department be able to say? Welcome to 4G - again? They are lowering the marketing value of their future 4G network by trying to use the 4G brand now.



    Perhaps but the vast majority of people will not notice the difference between 5-6Mbit/sec HSPA+ and 10-15Mbit/sec LTE. Even at 2-3Mbit/sec there is not a whole lot of waiting around for the data connection to catch-up. 1Mbit/sec with good latency is even good enough for most things.
  • Reply 57 of 98
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    AT&T, go fornicate yourself. That is all.
  • Reply 58 of 98
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SinisterJoe View Post


    Perhaps but the vast majority of people will not notice the difference between 5-6Mbit/sec HSPA+ and 10-15Mbit/sec LTE. Even at 2-3Mbit/sec there is not a whole lot of waiting around for the data connection to catch-up. 1Mbit/sec with good latency is even good enough for most things.



    Nope, tethering requires low latency and 3mbit/sec sustained for decent computer and iPad operation, even if it's good enough for phone-only use.



    I've posted in another thread that all these highfalutin' advertised speeds is one of the biggest scams perpetrated on the US and global consumer.



    AT&T, 4G? My behind.
  • Reply 59 of 98
    nvidia2008nvidia2008 Posts: 9,262member
    Once I finally last month ditched my PC "gaming rig" for Xbox360, I don't see a reason for PCs in my personal life. If I need Windows7/Office2010 I have VMWare Fusion 3, with 4 now out and ready to rock if needed. For personal or self-employed use, for the next several years, I don't foresee myself using a PC of any kind. For work, perhaps, but I might bring my MacBook Pro along if they aren't too uppity about that. Or, even if I have to use a Windows PC at work I'll bring my iPad along if possible at the minimum.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jonamac View Post


    Such a similar experience! I remember waiting literally minutes and minutes for Vista to 'identify my network' and then ask me to select whether it was a home network or a private one. Then there was UAC, my goodness, UAC... lol



    I had an Acer laptop I bought for £950 in 2005. Within a year the hinge was starting to crack and in two years it literally fell into two parts. I used to prop the screen up and take care not to snap the cable that ran from the keyboard to the screen! I notice Acer have since beefed up their hinges but they weren't too contrite when I got in touch.



    I now have a 15" 2010 MbP and it's still as immaculate as the day I got it a year on. My girlfriend also wearily took my advice and bought a 13" 2011 MbP and she's never looked back. She LOVES it, and cannot stand Windows any more. She scrunches up her face and just hates it lol. It's geeky how much I love watching that! haha



    My brother works in IT for a major University and he won't give macs a second thought. He knows I love them but he has all the usual misconceptions and won't be swayed, even though he has an iPhone 4 and loves it. He also had a 3G! My other brother saw my Mac Mini from 2008 and went out and bought an iMac. He loves it too, it's his pride and joy.



    The simple truth is, people love their macs. They really, really love them. The joy of ownership is so far beyond what any Windows PC can provide right now. It makes us an annoying breed because we harp on and on about it, but enthusiasm is a very refreshing thing.



  • Reply 60 of 98
    Don't cave Apple!
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