Seeing as how Apple's first patent applications on notifications predate Android, your story doesn't ring true (just like your claim that Sun was OK with Google using Java - even though it only took me a second to find an article showing that Sun tried to sell Google rights to use Java and Google refused).
Furthermore, there are big differences. The idea of notifications is an old one and has been around for many, many years. The look and feel of iOS is proprietary. Look at many of the icons that Android uses - those are near exact copies of Apple's icons - just as one example.
Are you citing notifications or are you saying pull down notification. First its pretty obvious that apple did steal the implementation of the pulldown notification from googles build of Android. Good thing for apple they stole it from google a company that does not really care what you do to its IP that is opensource. Pretty clear that iOS did steal it from android. But then again apple does not steal ip. They don't infringe on any of the patents that are held by nokia, nothing to do with basic cell phone technology that is required for the production of the iPhone. Apple did not lose that so called lawsuit did they? (/Sarcasm)
Are you citing notifications or are you saying pull down notification. First its pretty obvious that apple did steal the implementation of the pulldown notification from googles build of Android. Good thing for apple they stole it from google a company that does not really care what you do to its IP that is opensource. Pretty clear that iOS did steal it from android. But then again apple does not steal ip. They don't infringe on any of the patents that are held by nokia, nothing to do with basic cell phone technology that is required for the production of the iPhone. Apple did not lose that so called lawsuit did they? (/Sarcasm)
Lots of things are 'obvious' when you don't bother to educate yourself.
First, have you read Apple's patents on notifications? I didn't think so.
Second, does Google have a patent on notifications? I didn't think so.
Finally, the Nokia thing is a red herring. It's pretty clear what happened. Apple was willing to pay FRAND from the start (which is all that Nokia is legally able to charge). Nokia asked for more - they wanted Apple to give up its own intellectual property rights IN ADDITION to paying FRAND. That position is not allowed by FRAND rules. Apple objected. In the end, Apple agreed to pay FRAND and Nokia dropped the other claims.
So what did Apple do wrong (other than failing to simply roll over and let competitors steal their IP)?
Lots of things are 'obvious' when you don't bother to educate yourself.
First, have you read Apple's patents on notifications? I didn't think so.
Show us Apple's patent on pull down notifications please.
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Second, does Google have a patent on notifications? I didn't think so.
Not the point, but not shocked you missed it.
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Finally, the Nokia thing is a red herring. It's pretty clear what happened. Apple was willing to pay FRAND from the start (which is all that Nokia is legally able to charge). Nokia asked for more - they wanted Apple to give up its own intellectual property rights IN ADDITION to paying FRAND. That position is not allowed by FRAND rules. Apple objected. In the end, Apple agreed to pay FRAND and Nokia dropped the other claims.
Apple has lost many IP infringement cases...oops sorry I mean, APPLE ARE DIRTY CRIMINALS JUST LIKE GOOGLE THOSE BASTARDS STEALING!!!!!! (sorry if I messed up, I'm pretty bad at being as dramatic as you are)
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So what did Apple do wrong (other than failing to simply roll over and let competitors steal their IP)?
lol, you're so amazingly fanboyish it's scary.
Can you tell me just 3 things Apple has done "wrong" in the past 5 years?
Here's my take. Apple needs to defend as much as they can....but not too much. The issue is that Samsung holds some VERY strong patents. I'm sorry, but if Samsung played this game then iPhones would NOT exist. Or at least in a very DIFFERENT form. All companies have patents of some sort.
Remember when the PS3 launched with NO rumble in it's jungle because SOMEONE didn't want to pay the patent fees? Yeah, imagine if every manufactruer did this. So many issues would be out there it's crazy.
I think it's perposterous to thing that Apple should have all these patents and no one else should. I think Apple is just scared of reverting back to the 90s. Too many copycats will destroy your business.
Samsung is a LARGE company....LARGER than Apple. Apple has yet to be the number one manufactruer of TVs. Or a top tier dishwasher/dryer maker. Or make remarkable standalone cameras. Yes, they have infiringed on somethings and those need to be addressed. But we can't play this game much longer. It stifles innovation.
I honestly want to see a Super AMOLED Retina display!
Since when are Oracle and Sun patent trolls? And even if they were, U.S. patent law allows you to sue someone under a patent even if you don't use it in your own products.
My point...yet I recall people talking pretty badly about Lodsys when they were simply defending their IP :-/
Why can't they just defend their IP from these criminals?
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Seeing as how Apple's first patent applications on notifications predate Android, your story doesn't ring true (just like your claim that Sun was OK with Google using Java - even though it only took me a second to find an article showing that Sun tried to sell Google rights to use Java and Google refused).
So Apple patented pull down notifications and a) never implemented it until year 5 of the iPhone and b) never sued Android over it despite the many ongoing cases?
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Furthermore, there are big differences. The idea of notifications is an old one and has been around for many, many years. The look and feel of iOS is proprietary. Look at many of the icons that Android uses - those are near exact copies of Apple's icons - just as one example.
Show me the icons that Android has that iOS has (and by Android I mean Android...i.e. stock)
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So? What's wrong with wanting to make money off of technologies that you own? It's OK for Google to steal it because Oracle only wants to make money with it????
Again, it's okay for all these devs and small companies to steal Lodsys's IP because Lodsys is just in it for the money?
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Even more importantly, Sun offered Google a license for $100 K and Google refused. Does THAT make it OK for Google to steal the technology? (and, based on those facts, just how in the world could you possibly reach the conclusion that Sun was OK with Google doing so?)
Hmmm, how could I possibly come up with that? How did such a thing even cross my mind...hmmm...oh yea.
Because Sun's CEO pretty much said so. Also again, steal is the wrong word...but you don't care.
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I dislike criminals. It has nothing to do with Jobs or anyone else. Google has shown an incredible disdain for anyone's intellectual property but their own. I started to really dislike them when they started copying every printed work they could get their hands on it and wanted to sell access on the Internet - without having the authors' permission. They're a dishonest company and I refuse to support them.
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It's really interesting that for a Google phandroid like you, it all comes down to personalities, while I (as well as most Apple users I know) have specific reasons for the things we do. Seems to me that it's not the Apple fans who are drinking Kool-aid.
Yeah, I've been waiting for it. But Samsung hasn't revealed anything yet *(thanks for canceling!) and I'm in desperate need for a phone.
yea...truthbetold, what I've seen of Android 4.0 doesn't impress me that much...then again I've never really liked stock Android especially as far as looks go (and ICS is a step in the right direction nonetheless). If I wasn't a modder I'd either have an OEM skinned device or an iPhone.
Once an in depth preview of Android 4.0 is done I may be warmed up to it but right now it's meh. Better...but not great.
Can't wait to see what the Dr. Moreau esque Xiaomi does with their MIUI on Android 4.0 though.
In the best interest of competition, Google's Android should be removed from the market immediately. The continued active and passive theft that has occurred in the name of that platform should cease. It sends the wrong message to entrepreneurs, companies, developers, and the industry in general. It sends the message that STEALING is ok as long as it's wrapped in a corporate veil (with numerous lawyers hired to conceal the lies). We will ALL (even Android users) suffer if this wrong is not righted.
Yeah that's a bit Orwellian. Keep your hands of my Droid, thanks. It can do tons of stuff even iPhone 4S with iOS can NOT do. Stuff I like. Like Flash. I can do things you are not allowed to do because Apple said so. Freedom of the market..what? How is yanking an open source OS from the market freedom of the market?
Yeah that's a bit Orwellian. Keep your hands of my Droid, thanks. It can do tons of stuff even iPhone 4S with iOS can NOT do. Stuff I like. Like Flash. I can do things you are not allowed to do because Apple said so. Freedom of the market..what? How is yanking an open source OS from the market freedom of the market?
To be honest, though...flash just isn't cutting it for me. I use the Youtube app on my phone more than youtube.com itself. First, my phone (though it's a 4'' screen) just doesn't do well with flash embedded sites. I'd rather have a custom site/app for my phone (like iPhone). After all, I'm on a phone...not a tablet or laptop.
Second...while I love the "freedom", it's a mess. There is no way that when I got my Galaxy S last year I would have so many problems (Netflix app wasn't compatiblie at first, Samsung updates suck).
Don't get me wrong, I love android. Especially with it's google integration. But we're not getting Infinty Blade and countless other apps. Not when there's a processor war going on withIN the phones.
yea...truthbetold, what I've seen of Android 4.0 doesn't impress me that much...then again I've never really liked stock Android especially as far as looks go (and ICS is a step in the right direction nonetheless). If I wasn't a modder I'd either have an OEM skinned device or an iPhone.
Once an in depth preview of Android 4.0 is done I may be warmed up to it but right now it's meh. Better...but not great.
Can't wait to see what the Dr. Moreau esque Xiaomi does with their MIUI on Android 4.0 though.
I love Galaxy S phones the best. Ironically, they're the cloest thing to the iPhone out there. I hate HTC phones. My mom has as Nexus S....and while it's a great phone (NFC FTW!) it's uterly boring on stock.
So Apple patented pull down notifications and a) never implemented it until year 5 of the iPhone and b) never sued Android over it despite the many ongoing cases?
Sure. They have patented a lot of things they never used. But let others have a go at it.
Or they may feel that such a system is too obvious to be deserving of a patent or even licensed it from Google.
Finally, the Nokia thing is a red herring. It's pretty clear what happened. Apple was willing to pay FRAND from the start (which is all that Nokia is legally able to charge). Nokia asked for more - they wanted Apple to give up its own intellectual property rights IN ADDITION to paying FRAND. That position is not allowed by FRAND rules. Apple objected. In the end, Apple agreed to pay FRAND and Nokia dropped the other claims.
I love Galaxy S phones the best. Ironically, they're the cloest thing to the iPhone out there. I hate HTC phones. My mom has as Nexus S....and while it's a great phone (NFC FTW!) it's uterly boring on stock.
Touchwhiz is visually a step up from stock and the later iterations are less iOS like but it's oddly inconsistent (may have been a layover from stock) the color scheme etc is bothersome at times.
Also, Google needs to at least mandate icon and notification icon appearance. Some third party apps are atrocities of design even if the app itself is useful. Another thing I absolutely LOVE about iOS (and another post the iPhanboys will not see when they say I'm rabidly anti Apple again)
Why are they guilty again? Oh yea. They stole Java which is open source from a company that said they were happy to have them on board then said company was bought by oracle and oracle decided to sue.
Also, since all of your posts are blindly rabidly hate filled when you speak to me do me a favor and don't speak to me.
Well, yes, i'm sure you'd be very happy if no one pointed out what a weasilly liar you are. Apparently you can't construct a single sentence without misrepresenting facts.
Touchwhiz is visually a step up from stock and the later iterations are less iOS like but it's oddly inconsistent (may have been a layover from stock) the color scheme etc is bothersome at times.
Also, Google needs to at least mandate icon and notification icon appearance. Some third party apps are atrocities of design even if the app itself is useful. Another thing I absolutely LOVE about iOS (and another post the iPhanboys will not see when they say I'm rabidly anti Apple again)
Tell me that again. That's why I wanna at least try iOS for a wittle bit. Some apps have killed half my battery life!
Also, you're on the internet. On a forum. This things are bound to happen. I got banned from a few forums myself. Don't go to android forums anywhere if you are an iOS owner/fan (heck, don't be a Samsung fan going into an HTC forum.....I know:P).
That's a flawed comparison. You're using one manfacturer's one to represent the entire Android community. Why couldn't you use an HTC phone screen shot? Oh, right that defeats the argument entirely. And twins is an exact copy....but I don't see an Android market icon on ANY iOS device. Nor do I see allshare. Also, why can't you use a more recent iteration of the Galaxy S....like the Galaxy SII? Also, the iPhone doesn't have captacative buttons.
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Seeing as how Apple's first patent applications on notifications predate Android, your story doesn't ring true (just like your claim that Sun was OK with Google using Java - even though it only took me a second to find an article showing that Sun tried to sell Google rights to use Java and Google refused).
Furthermore, there are big differences. The idea of notifications is an old one and has been around for many, many years. The look and feel of iOS is proprietary. Look at many of the icons that Android uses - those are near exact copies of Apple's icons - just as one example.
Are you citing notifications or are you saying pull down notification. First its pretty obvious that apple did steal the implementation of the pulldown notification from googles build of Android. Good thing for apple they stole it from google a company that does not really care what you do to its IP that is opensource. Pretty clear that iOS did steal it from android. But then again apple does not steal ip. They don't infringe on any of the patents that are held by nokia, nothing to do with basic cell phone technology that is required for the production of the iPhone. Apple did not lose that so called lawsuit did they? (/Sarcasm)
Are you citing notifications or are you saying pull down notification. First its pretty obvious that apple did steal the implementation of the pulldown notification from googles build of Android. Good thing for apple they stole it from google a company that does not really care what you do to its IP that is opensource. Pretty clear that iOS did steal it from android. But then again apple does not steal ip. They don't infringe on any of the patents that are held by nokia, nothing to do with basic cell phone technology that is required for the production of the iPhone. Apple did not lose that so called lawsuit did they? (/Sarcasm)
Lots of things are 'obvious' when you don't bother to educate yourself.
First, have you read Apple's patents on notifications? I didn't think so.
Second, does Google have a patent on notifications? I didn't think so.
Finally, the Nokia thing is a red herring. It's pretty clear what happened. Apple was willing to pay FRAND from the start (which is all that Nokia is legally able to charge). Nokia asked for more - they wanted Apple to give up its own intellectual property rights IN ADDITION to paying FRAND. That position is not allowed by FRAND rules. Apple objected. In the end, Apple agreed to pay FRAND and Nokia dropped the other claims.
So what did Apple do wrong (other than failing to simply roll over and let competitors steal their IP)?
Lots of things are 'obvious' when you don't bother to educate yourself.
First, have you read Apple's patents on notifications? I didn't think so.
Show us Apple's patent on pull down notifications please.
Second, does Google have a patent on notifications? I didn't think so.
Not the point, but not shocked you missed it.
Finally, the Nokia thing is a red herring. It's pretty clear what happened. Apple was willing to pay FRAND from the start (which is all that Nokia is legally able to charge). Nokia asked for more - they wanted Apple to give up its own intellectual property rights IN ADDITION to paying FRAND. That position is not allowed by FRAND rules. Apple objected. In the end, Apple agreed to pay FRAND and Nokia dropped the other claims.
Apple has lost many IP infringement cases...oops sorry I mean, APPLE ARE DIRTY CRIMINALS JUST LIKE GOOGLE THOSE BASTARDS STEALING!!!!!! (sorry if I messed up, I'm pretty bad at being as dramatic as you are)
So what did Apple do wrong (other than failing to simply roll over and let competitors steal their IP)?
lol, you're so amazingly fanboyish it's scary.
Can you tell me just 3 things Apple has done "wrong" in the past 5 years?
Remember when the PS3 launched with NO rumble in it's jungle because SOMEONE didn't want to pay the patent fees? Yeah, imagine if every manufactruer did this. So many issues would be out there it's crazy.
I think it's perposterous to thing that Apple should have all these patents and no one else should. I think Apple is just scared of reverting back to the 90s. Too many copycats will destroy your business.
Samsung is a LARGE company....LARGER than Apple. Apple has yet to be the number one manufactruer of TVs. Or a top tier dishwasher/dryer maker. Or make remarkable standalone cameras. Yes, they have infiringed on somethings and those need to be addressed. But we can't play this game much longer. It stifles innovation.
I honestly want to see a Super AMOLED Retina display!
Since when are Oracle and Sun patent trolls? And even if they were, U.S. patent law allows you to sue someone under a patent even if you don't use it in your own products.
My point...yet I recall people talking pretty badly about Lodsys when they were simply defending their IP :-/
Why can't they just defend their IP from these criminals?
Seeing as how Apple's first patent applications on notifications predate Android, your story doesn't ring true (just like your claim that Sun was OK with Google using Java - even though it only took me a second to find an article showing that Sun tried to sell Google rights to use Java and Google refused).
So Apple patented pull down notifications and a) never implemented it until year 5 of the iPhone and b) never sued Android over it despite the many ongoing cases?
Furthermore, there are big differences. The idea of notifications is an old one and has been around for many, many years. The look and feel of iOS is proprietary. Look at many of the icons that Android uses - those are near exact copies of Apple's icons - just as one example.
Show me the icons that Android has that iOS has (and by Android I mean Android...i.e. stock)
So? What's wrong with wanting to make money off of technologies that you own? It's OK for Google to steal it because Oracle only wants to make money with it????
Again, it's okay for all these devs and small companies to steal Lodsys's IP because Lodsys is just in it for the money?
Even more importantly, Sun offered Google a license for $100 K and Google refused. Does THAT make it OK for Google to steal the technology? (and, based on those facts, just how in the world could you possibly reach the conclusion that Sun was OK with Google doing so?)
Hmmm, how could I possibly come up with that? How did such a thing even cross my mind...hmmm...oh yea.
Because Sun's CEO pretty much said so. Also again, steal is the wrong word...but you don't care.
I dislike criminals. It has nothing to do with Jobs or anyone else. Google has shown an incredible disdain for anyone's intellectual property but their own. I started to really dislike them when they started copying every printed work they could get their hands on it and wanted to sell access on the Internet - without having the authors' permission. They're a dishonest company and I refuse to support them.
It's really interesting that for a Google phandroid like you, it all comes down to personalities, while I (as well as most Apple users I know) have specific reasons for the things we do. Seems to me that it's not the Apple fans who are drinking Kool-aid.
yea okay...too much irony for today.
I honestly want to see a Super AMOLED Retina display!
I hear the Nexus Prime (and later Samsung phones) will have a 4.65in display at 1280 x 720 with 320ppi
I hear the Nexus Prime (and later Samsung phones) will have a 4.65in display at 1280 x 720 with 320ppi
Yeah, I've been waiting for it. But Samsung hasn't revealed anything yet *(thanks for canceling!) and I'm in desperate need for a phone.
Yeah, I've been waiting for it. But Samsung hasn't revealed anything yet *(thanks for canceling!) and I'm in desperate need for a phone.
yea...truthbetold, what I've seen of Android 4.0 doesn't impress me that much...then again I've never really liked stock Android especially as far as looks go (and ICS is a step in the right direction nonetheless). If I wasn't a modder I'd either have an OEM skinned device or an iPhone.
Once an in depth preview of Android 4.0 is done I may be warmed up to it but right now it's meh. Better...but not great.
Can't wait to see what the Dr. Moreau esque Xiaomi does with their MIUI on Android 4.0 though.
In the best interest of competition, Google's Android should be removed from the market immediately. The continued active and passive theft that has occurred in the name of that platform should cease. It sends the wrong message to entrepreneurs, companies, developers, and the industry in general. It sends the message that STEALING is ok as long as it's wrapped in a corporate veil (with numerous lawyers hired to conceal the lies). We will ALL (even Android users) suffer if this wrong is not righted.
Yeah that's a bit Orwellian. Keep your hands of my Droid, thanks. It can do tons of stuff even iPhone 4S with iOS can NOT do. Stuff I like. Like Flash. I can do things you are not allowed to do because Apple said so. Freedom of the market..what? How is yanking an open source OS from the market freedom of the market?
Yeah that's a bit Orwellian. Keep your hands of my Droid, thanks. It can do tons of stuff even iPhone 4S with iOS can NOT do. Stuff I like. Like Flash. I can do things you are not allowed to do because Apple said so. Freedom of the market..what? How is yanking an open source OS from the market freedom of the market?
To be honest, though...flash just isn't cutting it for me. I use the Youtube app on my phone more than youtube.com itself. First, my phone (though it's a 4'' screen) just doesn't do well with flash embedded sites. I'd rather have a custom site/app for my phone (like iPhone). After all, I'm on a phone...not a tablet or laptop.
Second...while I love the "freedom", it's a mess. There is no way that when I got my Galaxy S last year I would have so many problems (Netflix app wasn't compatiblie at first, Samsung updates suck).
Don't get me wrong, I love android. Especially with it's google integration. But we're not getting Infinty Blade and countless other apps. Not when there's a processor war going on withIN the phones.
yea...truthbetold, what I've seen of Android 4.0 doesn't impress me that much...then again I've never really liked stock Android especially as far as looks go (and ICS is a step in the right direction nonetheless). If I wasn't a modder I'd either have an OEM skinned device or an iPhone.
Once an in depth preview of Android 4.0 is done I may be warmed up to it but right now it's meh. Better...but not great.
Can't wait to see what the Dr. Moreau esque Xiaomi does with their MIUI on Android 4.0 though.
I love Galaxy S phones the best. Ironically, they're the cloest thing to the iPhone out there. I hate HTC phones. My mom has as Nexus S....and while it's a great phone (NFC FTW!) it's uterly boring on stock.
Now they are just taking the piss... Seriously.
Yep. If they are found guilty, simply change the bad bits and it is all good. Hell agree to change them now and the whole fight is over.
First of all google did not copy iOS it is really sad some people are to ignorant to understand that.
We could discover that the courts and ITC don't agree with your view of the matter. And in the end those are the folks with the power.
So Apple patented pull down notifications and a) never implemented it until year 5 of the iPhone and b) never sued Android over it despite the many ongoing cases?
Sure. They have patented a lot of things they never used. But let others have a go at it.
Or they may feel that such a system is too obvious to be deserving of a patent or even licensed it from Google.
Who really knows.
Finally, the Nokia thing is a red herring. It's pretty clear what happened. Apple was willing to pay FRAND from the start (which is all that Nokia is legally able to charge). Nokia asked for more - they wanted Apple to give up its own intellectual property rights IN ADDITION to paying FRAND. That position is not allowed by FRAND rules. Apple objected. In the end, Apple agreed to pay FRAND and Nokia dropped the other claims.
Hi, can you please post the proof of this? Thanks
I love Galaxy S phones the best. Ironically, they're the cloest thing to the iPhone out there. I hate HTC phones. My mom has as Nexus S....and while it's a great phone (NFC FTW!) it's uterly boring on stock.
Touchwhiz is visually a step up from stock and the later iterations are less iOS like but it's oddly inconsistent (may have been a layover from stock) the color scheme etc is bothersome at times.
Also, Google needs to at least mandate icon and notification icon appearance. Some third party apps are atrocities of design even if the app itself is useful. Another thing I absolutely LOVE about iOS (and another post the iPhanboys will not see when they say I'm rabidly anti Apple again)
Why are they guilty again? Oh yea. They stole Java which is open source from a company that said they were happy to have them on board then said company was bought by oracle and oracle decided to sue.
Also, since all of your posts are blindly rabidly hate filled when you speak to me do me a favor and don't speak to me.
Well, yes, i'm sure you'd be very happy if no one pointed out what a weasilly liar you are. Apparently you can't construct a single sentence without misrepresenting facts.
Touchwhiz is visually a step up from stock and the later iterations are less iOS like but it's oddly inconsistent (may have been a layover from stock) the color scheme etc is bothersome at times.
Also, Google needs to at least mandate icon and notification icon appearance. Some third party apps are atrocities of design even if the app itself is useful. Another thing I absolutely LOVE about iOS (and another post the iPhanboys will not see when they say I'm rabidly anti Apple again)
Tell me that again. That's why I wanna at least try iOS for a wittle bit. Some apps have killed half my battery life!
Also, you're on the internet. On a forum. This things are bound to happen. I got banned from a few forums myself. Don't go to android forums anywhere if you are an iOS owner/fan (heck, don't be a Samsung fan going into an HTC forum.....I know:P).
Twins???:
Not at all.
Yes, twins.
Yes, twins.
That's a flawed comparison. You're using one manfacturer's one to represent the entire Android community. Why couldn't you use an HTC phone screen shot? Oh, right that defeats the argument entirely. And twins is an exact copy....but I don't see an Android market icon on ANY iOS device. Nor do I see allshare. Also, why can't you use a more recent iteration of the Galaxy S....like the Galaxy SII? Also, the iPhone doesn't have captacative buttons.