Apple intentionally doesn't publish those figures because it wants people to focus on performance. Apple used to have to compete with all the Windows manufacturers relying on Intel processors when Apple used the Power PC. Consumers took the higher specs to mean higher performance, which wasn't generally the case.
The Power PC with lower specifications often times performed significantly better then Intel processors with the same or higher specifications, Yet consumers didn't understand that. Apple doesn't want to fall into the trap again of having to compete with competitors advertising specifications Apple can achieve better performance then other devices that have better specifications on paper because it controls the whole widget. It designs the processor with a build in graphics engine along with power management system that achieves better results. History has shown consumers don't understand that.
He's not even saying Safari crashes, he's saying Safari crashes his phone. The only time I see a phone crash is with Android.
My iPhone 3GS' favorite pastime is crashing or acting screwy. Sometimes my touch functionality stops working, and I have to relock it and then try again. Safari frequently crashes when I have a few tabs open or visit sites with lots of pics or text.
A few more days until I get my iPhone 4S' so I can ditch my 3GS'.
If Safari crashes it is more likely due to the website's use of plugins, then Safari's RAM. Perhaps, you are visiting too many porn sites.
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I was hoping that the 4s would more RAM cause i cant remember how many times my Iphone 4 has crashed due to safari using so much ram. now i have to think whether to get the iphone 4s.
I’m not surprised by this. The iPad 2 runs very smoothly on 512 MB of RAM. Safari caches internet content making multi-tab browsing fluid. I’m not a number cruncher but iOS can probably achieve more with 512 MB than a PC could with 1GB because of the lack of overhead.
Although some people malign Apple for not offering “true multitasking” I see their implementation as a boon for users because it prevents software developers from authoring lazy code that constantly runs in the background, choking the device.
Lets think about this. On my puny little 3gs with 256 Mb of ram I can do the following all at once (until the battery dies).
I regularly use Tom Tom for directions while listening to Infinite Toons (streaming to my bluetooth headset) over 3g cell connection while also tethering and having it act as wifi hotspot. Sounds like true multi tasking to me!
Of course when someone calls me when I am doing all this it will take a Sh$t. But after a few seconds delay it will sort itself out and I can take the call.
I just don't get all the bitching about iOS not multitasking. For me it multitasks great but maybe the task manager UI could be better?
Now if Apple sells us the 4s and it runs like crap with iOS 5 then I say get the pitchforks but I don't think that will happen.
If an app runs poorly on a iDevice with 512 Mb of ram I say blame the developer. As Dunk points out Apple's methods are doing a good job at forcing developers to keep the code lean or at least better behaving.
Lets think about this. On my puny little 3gs with 256 Mb of ram I can do the following all at once (until the battery dies).
I regularly use Tom Tom for directions while listening to Infinite Toons (streaming to my bluetooth headset) over 3g cell connection while also tethering and having it act as wifi hotspot. Sounds like true multi tasking to me!
Of course when someone calls me when I am doing all this it will take a Sh$t. But after a few seconds delay it will sort itself out and I can take the call.
I just don't get all the bitching about iOS not multitasking. For me it multitasks great but maybe the task manager UI could be better?
Now if Apple sells us the 4s and it runs like crap with iOS 5 then I say get the pitchforks but I don't think that will happen.
If an app runs poorly on a iDevice with 512 Mb of ram I say blame the developer. As Dunk points out Apple's methods are doing a good job at forcing developers to keep the code lean or at least better behaving.
Quote from Steve Jobs from the January 2007 iPhone announcement?
Software on mobile phones is like baby-software. Today we're going to show you a software breakthrough. Software that's 5-years ahead of what's on any other phone.
iPhone runs OS X!
Why would we want to run such a sophisticated OS on a mobile device? It's got everything we need. Multitasking, networking, power management, graphics, security, video, graphics, audio core animation..."
I wanted this version to blow the competition out of the water in terms of hardware. Bigger, denser screen, more starting memory, thinner, lighter, NFC, improved maps,louder speaker, heck even lte.
Instead we have iPhone that caught up to the competition in terms of CPU, notifications and voice control( well is much better in this department but I won't use it), but I feel will be outclassed in terms of screen, performance, style, CPU, ram and NFC as early as nexus prime. My contract is not up till iPhone 5, but let me tell you, if it had run out I would wait for prime before buying.
You can say, NFC is too new, lte too battery intensive we don't need it yet, etc etc. But imagine apple waited for a while longer to intro podcast capable iPods. Or not introduced USB and thunderbolt for same reason. As a tech guy I want awesome new cutting edge stuff no one is using to come from apple.
If that meant making two phones, one for high end with crap battery life, but thinner, lighter, bigger display, NFC' lte etc for $500 on contract and a 4 s for everyone else so be it.
Sorry for the rant, and I own iPod, iPad, iPhone, two MacBooks, airport etc, but if apple does not step up for the next release cycle I may downgrade back to iPod touch and get an android phone.
I wanted this version to blow the competition out of the water in terms of hardware. Bigger, denser screen, more starting memory, thinner, lighter, NFC, improved maps,louder speaker, heck even lte.
Instead we have iPhone that caught up to the competition in terms of CPU, notifications and voice control( well is much better in this department but I won't use it), but I feel will be outclassed in terms of screen, performance, style, CPU, ram and NFC as early as nexus prime. My contract is not up till iPhone 5, but let me tell you, if it had run out I would wait for prime before buying.
You can say, NFC is too new, lte too battery intensive we don't need it yet, etc etc. But imagine apple waited for a while longer to intro podcast capable iPods. Or not introduced USB and thunderbolt for same reason. As a tech guy I want awesome new cutting edge stuff no one is using to come from apple.
If that meant making two phones, one for high end with crap battery life, but thinner, lighter, bigger display, NFC' lte etc for $500 on contract and a 4 s for everyone else so be it.
Sorry for the rant, and I own iPod, iPad, iPhone, two MacBooks, airport etc, but if apple does not step up for the next release cycle I may downgrade back to iPod touch and get an android phone.
1) I don't know you didn't expect the CPU to be anything other than the Cortex A9 in the iPad.
2) Adding podcast support to an iPod was a SW update, not HW. Apple has no track record of adding new HW for the hell of it.
3) I can't imagine you can't think this isn't anything but a great update. We're only now seeing displays being demoed from other vendors that can match the 2010 iPhone 4 yet you want a denser display despite it already being 326ppi and a new resolution means a lot of work for developers. Did you really expect them to double the resolution again after one year?
4) I seriously don't get what you think is wrong with this phone expect that you wanted Apple to add gimmicky features that are only good for marketing but don't do anything to improving the user experience in and of themselves. They created a world mode phone in the same svelte design and was still able to increase the '3G' talk time by one hour. I think that is impressive.
I was surprised the the iPod touch didn't get the A5 given that it is being promoted as a gaming device.
I can't help but speculate that they might not have had enough A5 chips for the iPad 2, iPhone 4S and the iPod Touch for this Fall release. If you have to hold back on a product it would seem the iPod Touch is the one with the least profit margin.
More would have been nice, hardly a deal-breaker though. As someone who currently has ~45 tabs open on his desktop (being a more easy going session ), I do feel the limits of tabbing in iPhones. I hardly expect it to compete with a desktop, but it does have to redraw pages sometimes even with its hard limit on tab numbers, with everyone else going 1GB and ahead I'm sure they could have.
On the other hand, at least we know the iPad 2 won't reach a quick obsolescence due to its RAM now, if this is true. I thought Siri might not run on it because of RAM, it must be something else (or just arbitrary).
A few years ago I may have bitched about this. But now? I've learned to absolutely trust Apple with with these matters. They've seldom been wrong. If the experience lagged with 512MB, I'm sure they would have added more.
My iPhone4 absolutely flies, and is still silky smooth. I can only imagine the difference the vastly more powerful dual core A5 chip and GPU will make.. I don't think anyone has anything to worry about.
We should remember that onboard RAM is much less important with what is essentially solid state drives (off-board RAM) since the penalty (delay) for "reading from disk" is far less than for reading from virtual memory on a real disk.
I wanted this version to blow the competition out of the water in terms of hardware. Bigger, denser screen, more starting memory, thinner, lighter, NFC, improved maps,louder speaker, heck even lte.
Instead we have iPhone that caught up to the competition in terms of CPU, notifications and voice control( well is much better in this department but I won't use it), but I feel will be outclassed in terms of screen, performance, style, CPU, ram and NFC as early as nexus prime. My contract is not up till iPhone 5, but let me tell you, if it had run out I would wait for prime before buying.
You can say, NFC is too new, lte too battery intensive we don't need it yet, etc etc. But imagine apple waited for a while longer to intro podcast capable iPods. Or not introduced USB and thunderbolt for same reason. As a tech guy I want awesome new cutting edge stuff no one is using to come from apple.
If that meant making two phones, one for high end with crap battery life, but thinner, lighter, bigger display, NFC' lte etc for $500 on contract and a 4 s for everyone else so be it.
Sorry for the rant, and I own iPod, iPad, iPhone, two MacBooks, airport etc, but if apple does not step up for the next release cycle I may downgrade back to iPod touch and get an android phone.
Wow. It's not often that you see someone so eager to announce to the world that he doesn't get it.
The iPhone 4 was the best selling phone in the world. By far. Yet Apple made it better in almost every way. Twice the processor performance, 7 times the graphics performance, drastically better video camera, better antenna, world phone capability, longer talk time, faster data download speeds, and so on. Anyone who doesn't consider that a significant improvement is kidding themselves.
Could they have made the screen bigger? Sure - at the loss of usability and battery life. Plus, either reducing resolution or requiring software to be rewritten.
Higher resolution? No point - it's already at the visual limit.
More RAM? Doesn't appear to be any point - the iPhone 4S is far faster than the 4 in benchmarks.
LTE? Nope. Not worth the battery life tradeoff and limited availability.
And so on. Apple has always offered a balance of features and performance based on usability, not specs. And their recent phone success indicates that they've chosen wisely.
That's what I like about AppleInsider: making promises that Apple may or may not keep. We don't even know if it will be called "iPad 3". It could be the iPad 2S
A few years ago I may have bitched about this. But now? I've learned to absolutely trust Apple with with these matters. They've seldom been wrong. If the experience lagged with 512MB, I'm sure they would have added more.
My iPhone4 absolutely flies, and is still silky smooth. I can only imagine the difference the vastly more powerful dual core A5 chip and GPU will make.. I don't think anyone has anything to worry about.
Yup, even if it is somewhat underclocked, given the performance of the iPad2, the iPhone4S should be teh snappy enough. Just watch that standby time on the iPhone4S though...
More would have been nice, hardly a deal-breaker though. As someone who currently has ~45 tabs open on his desktop (being a more easy going session ), I do feel the limits of tabbing in iPhones. I hardly expect it to compete with a desktop, but it does have to redraw pages sometimes even with its hard limit on tab numbers, with everyone else going 1GB and ahead I'm sure they could have.
On the other hand, at least we know the iPad 2 won't reach a quick obsolescence due to its RAM now, if this is true. I thought Siri might not run on it because of RAM, it must be something else (or just arbitrary).
This may be presumptuous, but have you tried some RSS readers? I used to keep track of sites with lots of tabs, but that shrunk down a lot when an RSS reader can keep you updated on numerous sites within just one tab, or a separate program.
We should remember that onboard RAM is much less important with what is essentially solid state drives (off-board RAM) since the penalty (delay) for "reading from disk" is far less than for reading from virtual memory on a real disk.
In the context of what? If you're suggesting swap, I recall that iOS has no such facility. Also, said memory has a limited number of write cycles, so that has to be kept in mind, you don't want software writing often if it can be avoided.
We should remember that onboard RAM is much less important with what is essentially solid state drives (off-board RAM) since the penalty (delay) for "reading from disk" is far less than for reading from virtual memory on a real disk.
The internal flash for the iPhone and iPod are considerably slower than even a 5400 RPM hard drive found in a notebook computer. It is not remotely fast and is not even close to comparable to a solid state drive found in a computer. The sustained write speed is around 3 MB/s on the iPhone while a standard hard drive might float around 70-100 MB/s.
Visit a Memebase website on Safari, or even open few tabs to non-mobile websites, and it should be apparent how poor the disk caching performance is. Or, even yet, the loading time for small applications.
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The Power PC with lower specifications often times performed significantly better then Intel processors with the same or higher specifications, Yet consumers didn't understand that. Apple doesn't want to fall into the trap again of having to compete with competitors advertising specifications Apple can achieve better performance then other devices that have better specifications on paper because it controls the whole widget. It designs the processor with a build in graphics engine along with power management system that achieves better results. History has shown consumers don't understand that.
He's not even saying Safari crashes, he's saying Safari crashes his phone. The only time I see a phone crash is with Android.
My iPhone 3GS' favorite pastime is crashing or acting screwy. Sometimes my touch functionality stops working, and I have to relock it and then try again. Safari frequently crashes when I have a few tabs open or visit sites with lots of pics or text.
A few more days until I get my iPhone 4S' so I can ditch my 3GS'.
I was hoping that the 4s would more RAM cause i cant remember how many times my Iphone 4 has crashed due to safari using so much ram. now i have to think whether to get the iphone 4s.
I’m not surprised by this. The iPad 2 runs very smoothly on 512 MB of RAM. Safari caches internet content making multi-tab browsing fluid. I’m not a number cruncher but iOS can probably achieve more with 512 MB than a PC could with 1GB because of the lack of overhead.
Although some people malign Apple for not offering “true multitasking” I see their implementation as a boon for users because it prevents software developers from authoring lazy code that constantly runs in the background, choking the device.
Lets think about this. On my puny little 3gs with 256 Mb of ram I can do the following all at once (until the battery dies).
I regularly use Tom Tom for directions while listening to Infinite Toons (streaming to my bluetooth headset) over 3g cell connection while also tethering and having it act as wifi hotspot. Sounds like true multi tasking to me!
Of course when someone calls me when I am doing all this it will take a Sh$t. But after a few seconds delay it will sort itself out and I can take the call.
I just don't get all the bitching about iOS not multitasking. For me it multitasks great but maybe the task manager UI could be better?
Now if Apple sells us the 4s and it runs like crap with iOS 5 then I say get the pitchforks but I don't think that will happen.
If an app runs poorly on a iDevice with 512 Mb of ram I say blame the developer. As Dunk points out Apple's methods are doing a good job at forcing developers to keep the code lean or at least better behaving.
If Safari crashes it is more likely due to the website's use of plugins, then Safari's RAM. Perhaps, you are visiting too many porn sites.
Huh? Plug-ins? On the iPhone?
Lets think about this. On my puny little 3gs with 256 Mb of ram I can do the following all at once (until the battery dies).
I regularly use Tom Tom for directions while listening to Infinite Toons (streaming to my bluetooth headset) over 3g cell connection while also tethering and having it act as wifi hotspot. Sounds like true multi tasking to me!
Of course when someone calls me when I am doing all this it will take a Sh$t. But after a few seconds delay it will sort itself out and I can take the call.
I just don't get all the bitching about iOS not multitasking. For me it multitasks great but maybe the task manager UI could be better?
Now if Apple sells us the 4s and it runs like crap with iOS 5 then I say get the pitchforks but I don't think that will happen.
If an app runs poorly on a iDevice with 512 Mb of ram I say blame the developer. As Dunk points out Apple's methods are doing a good job at forcing developers to keep the code lean or at least better behaving.
Quote from Steve Jobs from the January 2007 iPhone announcement?
Instead we have iPhone that caught up to the competition in terms of CPU, notifications and voice control( well is much better in this department but I won't use it), but I feel will be outclassed in terms of screen, performance, style, CPU, ram and NFC as early as nexus prime. My contract is not up till iPhone 5, but let me tell you, if it had run out I would wait for prime before buying.
You can say, NFC is too new, lte too battery intensive we don't need it yet, etc etc. But imagine apple waited for a while longer to intro podcast capable iPods. Or not introduced USB and thunderbolt for same reason. As a tech guy I want awesome new cutting edge stuff no one is using to come from apple.
If that meant making two phones, one for high end with crap battery life, but thinner, lighter, bigger display, NFC' lte etc for $500 on contract and a 4 s for everyone else so be it.
Sorry for the rant, and I own iPod, iPad, iPhone, two MacBooks, airport etc, but if apple does not step up for the next release cycle I may downgrade back to iPod touch and get an android phone.
In related news, I hear Apple is going to slap an 'A5 CPU' sticker on iPhone boxes.
I wanted this version to blow the competition out of the water in terms of hardware. Bigger, denser screen, more starting memory, thinner, lighter, NFC, improved maps,louder speaker, heck even lte.
Instead we have iPhone that caught up to the competition in terms of CPU, notifications and voice control( well is much better in this department but I won't use it), but I feel will be outclassed in terms of screen, performance, style, CPU, ram and NFC as early as nexus prime. My contract is not up till iPhone 5, but let me tell you, if it had run out I would wait for prime before buying.
You can say, NFC is too new, lte too battery intensive we don't need it yet, etc etc. But imagine apple waited for a while longer to intro podcast capable iPods. Or not introduced USB and thunderbolt for same reason. As a tech guy I want awesome new cutting edge stuff no one is using to come from apple.
If that meant making two phones, one for high end with crap battery life, but thinner, lighter, bigger display, NFC' lte etc for $500 on contract and a 4 s for everyone else so be it.
Sorry for the rant, and I own iPod, iPad, iPhone, two MacBooks, airport etc, but if apple does not step up for the next release cycle I may downgrade back to iPod touch and get an android phone.
1) I don't know you didn't expect the CPU to be anything other than the Cortex A9 in the iPad.
2) Adding podcast support to an iPod was a SW update, not HW. Apple has no track record of adding new HW for the hell of it.
3) I can't imagine you can't think this isn't anything but a great update. We're only now seeing displays being demoed from other vendors that can match the 2010 iPhone 4 yet you want a denser display despite it already being 326ppi and a new resolution means a lot of work for developers. Did you really expect them to double the resolution again after one year?
4) I seriously don't get what you think is wrong with this phone expect that you wanted Apple to add gimmicky features that are only good for marketing but don't do anything to improving the user experience in and of themselves. They created a world mode phone in the same svelte design and was still able to increase the '3G' talk time by one hour. I think that is impressive.
I was surprised the the iPod touch didn't get the A5 given that it is being promoted as a gaming device.
I can't help but speculate that they might not have had enough A5 chips for the iPad 2, iPhone 4S and the iPod Touch for this Fall release. If you have to hold back on a product it would seem the iPod Touch is the one with the least profit margin.
On the other hand, at least we know the iPad 2 won't reach a quick obsolescence due to its RAM now, if this is true. I thought Siri might not run on it because of RAM, it must be something else (or just arbitrary).
My iPhone4 absolutely flies, and is still silky smooth. I can only imagine the difference the vastly more powerful dual core A5 chip and GPU will make.. I don't think anyone has anything to worry about.
I wanted this version to blow the competition out of the water in terms of hardware. Bigger, denser screen, more starting memory, thinner, lighter, NFC, improved maps,louder speaker, heck even lte.
Instead we have iPhone that caught up to the competition in terms of CPU, notifications and voice control( well is much better in this department but I won't use it), but I feel will be outclassed in terms of screen, performance, style, CPU, ram and NFC as early as nexus prime. My contract is not up till iPhone 5, but let me tell you, if it had run out I would wait for prime before buying.
You can say, NFC is too new, lte too battery intensive we don't need it yet, etc etc. But imagine apple waited for a while longer to intro podcast capable iPods. Or not introduced USB and thunderbolt for same reason. As a tech guy I want awesome new cutting edge stuff no one is using to come from apple.
If that meant making two phones, one for high end with crap battery life, but thinner, lighter, bigger display, NFC' lte etc for $500 on contract and a 4 s for everyone else so be it.
Sorry for the rant, and I own iPod, iPad, iPhone, two MacBooks, airport etc, but if apple does not step up for the next release cycle I may downgrade back to iPod touch and get an android phone.
Wow. It's not often that you see someone so eager to announce to the world that he doesn't get it.
The iPhone 4 was the best selling phone in the world. By far. Yet Apple made it better in almost every way. Twice the processor performance, 7 times the graphics performance, drastically better video camera, better antenna, world phone capability, longer talk time, faster data download speeds, and so on. Anyone who doesn't consider that a significant improvement is kidding themselves.
Could they have made the screen bigger? Sure - at the loss of usability and battery life. Plus, either reducing resolution or requiring software to be rewritten.
Higher resolution? No point - it's already at the visual limit.
More RAM? Doesn't appear to be any point - the iPhone 4S is far faster than the 4 in benchmarks.
LTE? Nope. Not worth the battery life tradeoff and limited availability.
And so on. Apple has always offered a balance of features and performance based on usability, not specs. And their recent phone success indicates that they've chosen wisely.
That's what I like about AppleInsider: making promises that Apple may or may not keep. We don't even know if it will be called "iPad 3". It could be the iPad 2S
I thought the iPad 3 was coming out this year
A few years ago I may have bitched about this. But now? I've learned to absolutely trust Apple with with these matters. They've seldom been wrong. If the experience lagged with 512MB, I'm sure they would have added more.
My iPhone4 absolutely flies, and is still silky smooth. I can only imagine the difference the vastly more powerful dual core A5 chip and GPU will make.. I don't think anyone has anything to worry about.
Yup, even if it is somewhat underclocked, given the performance of the iPad2, the iPhone4S should be teh snappy enough. Just watch that standby time on the iPhone4S though...
More would have been nice, hardly a deal-breaker though. As someone who currently has ~45 tabs open on his desktop (being a more easy going session
On the other hand, at least we know the iPad 2 won't reach a quick obsolescence due to its RAM now, if this is true. I thought Siri might not run on it because of RAM, it must be something else (or just arbitrary).
This may be presumptuous, but have you tried some RSS readers? I used to keep track of sites with lots of tabs, but that shrunk down a lot when an RSS reader can keep you updated on numerous sites within just one tab, or a separate program.
We should remember that onboard RAM is much less important with what is essentially solid state drives (off-board RAM) since the penalty (delay) for "reading from disk" is far less than for reading from virtual memory on a real disk.
In the context of what? If you're suggesting swap, I recall that iOS has no such facility. Also, said memory has a limited number of write cycles, so that has to be kept in mind, you don't want software writing often if it can be avoided.
We should remember that onboard RAM is much less important with what is essentially solid state drives (off-board RAM) since the penalty (delay) for "reading from disk" is far less than for reading from virtual memory on a real disk.
The internal flash for the iPhone and iPod are considerably slower than even a 5400 RPM hard drive found in a notebook computer. It is not remotely fast and is not even close to comparable to a solid state drive found in a computer. The sustained write speed is around 3 MB/s on the iPhone while a standard hard drive might float around 70-100 MB/s.
Visit a Memebase website on Safari, or even open few tabs to non-mobile websites, and it should be apparent how poor the disk caching performance is. Or, even yet, the loading time for small applications.