Would people get real? Business life isn't like a movie where people hate each other and sit in big domes plotting World domination. Yes firms throw out statements about their competition, some of which can be very personal where a personality is key to the business image.
But outside of work unless there has been some one to one personal affront then people are just people. I go out socially with my competitors and we just don't talk business except for market observations.
That people are 'upset' at who attends this event is actually an insult to Steve Jobs and his family.
A lot of small minded pettiness going on about who attended the memorial. What are you guys, twelve year old girls? In business, nothing is personal. And even if it gets personal sometimes, you still pay your respects if you're even half way human.
This is a partial list and they're all people who've had some direct association with Steve. We don't know who else was there.
'Elitist' is now just a word thrown out by those among us who want to get stupid people elected to high office. Who then proceed to protect the interests of the very, very rich. Get a clue. Guess who are the people behind the scenes who fund all these efforts to tar and feather America's so-called 'elites'.
So what if things were said in public in the spirit of business competition.
Doesnt stop people being friends outside of this and having respect for eachother
Thats whats wrong with most of you these days. No Respect and cant separate aspects of lives.
Just because they compete with eachother healthily in public, doesnt mean that they cant meet for a coffee after and share a laugh
you expect them to be mortal enemies and "hate" eachother. Get a grip. They probably meet and laugh at how they play you fools against each other like a fiddle. I know I would.
ah crap, i'm just cranky because he is gone. ignore me.
Well, luckily we have someone like you to point out the errors of our ways.
The reason some names on the invite list raise eyebrows is that these people represent values that so differ from what we see as Apple's values, in terms of style, design, management, business model, and also attitude towards their customer base. In terms of the individuals here I don't think any of us have much of a clue.
A lot of small minded pettiness going on about who attended the memorial. What are you guys, twelve year old girls? In business, nothing is personal. And even if it gets personal sometimes, you still pay your respects if you're even half way human.
I can not believe that the snake(s) in the grass from Google would have the nerve to show up. It is one thing to compete, but another to pretend to be a friend and then double cross.
hey guy...how are you?
I was wondering...do you have any evidence of them pretending to be Steve Job's friend and then double crossing him?
Well, luckily we have someone like you to point out the errors of our ways.
The reason some names on the invite list raise eyebrows is that these people represent values that so differ from what we see as Apple's values, in terms of style, design, management, business model, and also attitude towards their customer base. In terms of the individuals here I don't think any of us have much of a clue.
Hey guy...how are you?
I was curious, do you have friends? I'm going to assume yes, as I'm going to assume you are a functional social human being.
Now that that is out the way...do you and your friends hold the same views on everything?
I'm going to give you a personal example.
One of my best friends, is a fundamentalist Christian libertarian.
I am a damn near militant atheist liberal.
We get along fine though often we get into very heated arguments.
Maybe some decided NOT to show up, out of RESPECT? It was for Steve, and maybe some choose to not be there, for what they might have thought, was going to be some what of a media circus?
And yes, maybe they were there and just not mentioned ? yet.
Every time I read something like this I get a jolt as I keep blocking out that Steve is gone and I am suddenly forced to recognize the truth.
Re Dell: Is there something we are missing regarding his apparent self injection into all of this? Was he secretly a great friend of Steve and we didn't know? I find it hard to believe the organizers would allow him in without there being some connection beyond self publicity. Or maybe anyone could go.
I find it unbelievable that Dell would just show up. Surely he would have been invited by Apple management or the family of Steve.
That doesn't help the Us versus Them mentality prevalent on AI
Gives many of the members of the 4000 Club the chance to meet and network, btw there are other names for them CFR, Bilderburg, etc depending on which conspiracy theory you like. I prefer to call it the rich most influential networking group. You people actually believe there is competiton in business! interesting dellusion but that's another thread
You do understand the ceremony was invite only, right? So, somebody at Apple invited the guy. I wonder why. Perhaps, Jobs and Dell got along OK. Dell was one of the first people to publicly repay respect to Jobs.
Further, that whole comment where Dell said he would shut Apple down and give the money back to shareholders was 1) taken out of context, and 2) somewhat understandable coming from a competitor and considering Apple's dire financial circumstances.
Finally, competitors who sometimes are friends often times say things publicly in the context of computing, but that doesn't undermine their personal relationship. Haven't you ever heard an opposing team that they might as well not even show up?
This underscores the importance of remaining skeptical of the many "facts" that we accept truths in the blogosphere purely because we want to believe them and they are repeated so often.
as much as i like to see so many people attend, gtfo micheal dell. Your obviously there as a publicity stunt. I would not want someone i hate attending my funeral for sure
I doubt that. Rich people tend to have other rich people friends. Even if they are from different companies.
Every time I read something like this I get a jolt as I keep blocking out that Steve is gone and I am suddenly forced to recognize the truth.
Re Dell: Is there something we are missing regarding his apparent self injection into all of this? Was he secretly a great friend of Steve and we didn't know? I find it hard to believe the organizers would allow him in without there being some connection beyond self publicity. Or maybe anyone could go.
This was an invitation only affair. If Dell was present, he had been invited.
A lot of small minded pettiness going on about who attended the memorial. What are you guys, twelve year old girls? In business, nothing is personal. And even if it gets personal sometimes, you still pay your respects if you're even half way human.
Gives many of the members of the 4000 Club the chance to meet and network, btw there are other names for them CFR, Bilderburg, etc depending on which conspiracy theory you like. I prefer to call it the rich most influential networking group. You people actually believe there is competiton in business! interesting dellusion but that's another thread
I think it is richly ironic that you complain and moan about the unseen powers of the world who control your fate, while slavishly buying their products and obsessing over what they will do next.
The reality of things are, I think, a little simpler: in life there are people who do something and people who do not. People who do nothing perceive the abilities and contribuitions of those who do as both a threat and as a form of control, and in a sense that's true: when all you do is live in a world entirely constructed by the work and contributions of others, you really are controlled by them. That doesn't mean controlling your destiny is what they set out to do, however; your lack of control is a symptom of your inaction.
The biggest whole in this list is Woz, Andy Hertzfeld, Bill Atkinson, Burrell, Capps, etc. the original Mac team. The omission of one or two of these is understandable but to see none of them makes me wonder about this acknowledged "partial" list.
I think it has more to do with the fact that the average reporter has no idea who Bill Atkinson is.
They very well may have been there but it was not reported.
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But outside of work unless there has been some one to one personal affront then people are just people. I go out socially with my competitors and we just don't talk business except for market observations.
That people are 'upset' at who attends this event is actually an insult to Steve Jobs and his family.
Think about it.
John Lasseter, chief creative officer of Pixar
He's the Chief Creative Officer of Disney Animation. He brought back the Ink and Paint department.
Mostly elitest scum on that list. Shame.
So who should have been invited. You?
This is a partial list and they're all people who've had some direct association with Steve. We don't know who else was there.
'Elitist' is now just a word thrown out by those among us who want to get stupid people elected to high office. Who then proceed to protect the interests of the very, very rich. Get a clue. Guess who are the people behind the scenes who fund all these efforts to tar and feather America's so-called 'elites'.
why are people asking why X person attended?
So what if things were said in public in the spirit of business competition.
Doesnt stop people being friends outside of this and having respect for eachother
Thats whats wrong with most of you these days. No Respect and cant separate aspects of lives.
Just because they compete with eachother healthily in public, doesnt mean that they cant meet for a coffee after and share a laugh
you expect them to be mortal enemies and "hate" eachother. Get a grip. They probably meet and laugh at how they play you fools against each other like a fiddle. I know I would.
ah crap, i'm just cranky because he is gone. ignore me.
Well, luckily we have someone like you to point out the errors of our ways.
The reason some names on the invite list raise eyebrows is that these people represent values that so differ from what we see as Apple's values, in terms of style, design, management, business model, and also attitude towards their customer base. In terms of the individuals here I don't think any of us have much of a clue.
A lot of small minded pettiness going on about who attended the memorial. What are you guys, twelve year old girls? In business, nothing is personal. And even if it gets personal sometimes, you still pay your respects if you're even half way human.
Sound like a scene from the Godfather
AI left out one especially interesting name from that list:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...101700661.html
That doesn't help the Us versus Them mentality prevalent on AI
I can not believe that the snake(s) in the grass from Google would have the nerve to show up. It is one thing to compete, but another to pretend to be a friend and then double cross.
hey guy...how are you?
I was wondering...do you have any evidence of them pretending to be Steve Job's friend and then double crossing him?
I'll be waiting.
Well, luckily we have someone like you to point out the errors of our ways.
The reason some names on the invite list raise eyebrows is that these people represent values that so differ from what we see as Apple's values, in terms of style, design, management, business model, and also attitude towards their customer base. In terms of the individuals here I don't think any of us have much of a clue.
Hey guy...how are you?
I was curious, do you have friends? I'm going to assume yes, as I'm going to assume you are a functional social human being.
Now that that is out the way...do you and your friends hold the same views on everything?
I'm going to give you a personal example.
One of my best friends, is a fundamentalist Christian libertarian.
I am a damn near militant atheist liberal.
We get along fine though often we get into very heated arguments.
I'm going to give you a personal example.
One of my best friends...
One
of my best friends
Maybe some decided NOT to show up, out of RESPECT? It was for Steve, and maybe some choose to not be there, for what they might have thought, was going to be some what of a media circus?
And yes, maybe they were there and just not mentioned ? yet.
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Every time I read something like this I get a jolt as I keep blocking out that Steve is gone and I am suddenly forced to recognize the truth.
Re Dell: Is there something we are missing regarding his apparent self injection into all of this? Was he secretly a great friend of Steve and we didn't know? I find it hard to believe the organizers would allow him in without there being some connection beyond self publicity. Or maybe anyone could go.
I find it unbelievable that Dell would just show up. Surely he would have been invited by Apple management or the family of Steve.
That doesn't help the Us versus Them mentality prevalent on AI
Gives many of the members of the 4000 Club the chance to meet and network, btw there are other names for them CFR, Bilderburg, etc depending on which conspiracy theory you like. I prefer to call it the rich most influential networking group. You people actually believe there is competiton in business! interesting dellusion but that's another thread
You do understand the ceremony was invite only, right? So, somebody at Apple invited the guy. I wonder why. Perhaps, Jobs and Dell got along OK. Dell was one of the first people to publicly repay respect to Jobs.
Further, that whole comment where Dell said he would shut Apple down and give the money back to shareholders was 1) taken out of context, and 2) somewhat understandable coming from a competitor and considering Apple's dire financial circumstances.
Finally, competitors who sometimes are friends often times say things publicly in the context of computing, but that doesn't undermine their personal relationship. Haven't you ever heard an opposing team that they might as well not even show up?
This underscores the importance of remaining skeptical of the many "facts" that we accept truths in the blogosphere purely because we want to believe them and they are repeated so often.
as much as i like to see so many people attend, gtfo micheal dell. Your obviously there as a publicity stunt. I would not want someone i hate attending my funeral for sure
I doubt that. Rich people tend to have other rich people friends. Even if they are from different companies.
Every time I read something like this I get a jolt as I keep blocking out that Steve is gone and I am suddenly forced to recognize the truth.
Re Dell: Is there something we are missing regarding his apparent self injection into all of this? Was he secretly a great friend of Steve and we didn't know? I find it hard to believe the organizers would allow him in without there being some connection beyond self publicity. Or maybe anyone could go.
This was an invitation only affair. If Dell was present, he had been invited.
A lot of small minded pettiness going on about who attended the memorial. What are you guys, twelve year old girls? In business, nothing is personal. And even if it gets personal sometimes, you still pay your respects if you're even half way human.
Exactly.
Gives many of the members of the 4000 Club the chance to meet and network, btw there are other names for them CFR, Bilderburg, etc depending on which conspiracy theory you like. I prefer to call it the rich most influential networking group. You people actually believe there is competiton in business! interesting dellusion but that's another thread
I think it is richly ironic that you complain and moan about the unseen powers of the world who control your fate, while slavishly buying their products and obsessing over what they will do next.
The reality of things are, I think, a little simpler: in life there are people who do something and people who do not. People who do nothing perceive the abilities and contribuitions of those who do as both a threat and as a form of control, and in a sense that's true: when all you do is live in a world entirely constructed by the work and contributions of others, you really are controlled by them. That doesn't mean controlling your destiny is what they set out to do, however; your lack of control is a symptom of your inaction.
The biggest whole in this list is Woz, Andy Hertzfeld, Bill Atkinson, Burrell, Capps, etc. the original Mac team. The omission of one or two of these is understandable but to see none of them makes me wonder about this acknowledged "partial" list.
I think it has more to do with the fact that the average reporter has no idea who Bill Atkinson is.
They very well may have been there but it was not reported.