Actually, given the comments from Microsoft and Google, it's entirely possible that they might be. Neither of them things voice recognition has much value, so why spend money on it?
Sure I do. Search this forum for thousands of posts from PC people arguing that their PC was so superior to the Mac because the Mac didn't have a native version of Doom/warfare/shootemup of the month.
There's probably a lot of truth to that. Google only invests in things that might improve their ad revenue. Although I'm sure they'll find a way around that problem - like emailing your ads to you after you make a voice search request.
But, you (from your device, location, IP address, cookies, etc.) won't make the request to Google -- Siri will, through Apple's servers... Google will not know who you are or be able to mine your data!
NCDC is going to get a lot of advertising spam.
By using Siri, we are deputizing her to protect our privacy!
Coming into the forum a little late but wanted to add my 2 cents.
I agree with those that say Siri is going to be HUGE. This completely turns the conventional use of tools on its head (multitouch is going to look like a baby step compared to this). Language (i.e. literacy) is arguably one (if not, the ONE) of a few advancements that have forever changed humanity. Up until this point our use of tools has been limited to the physical realm. This is now no longer the case. Siri is by far and away the tipping point in shifting this paradigm.
We've been using language for a few generations now. It's been useful. But the alphabet has just been invented... can't wait to see what happens next.
Coming into the forum a little late but wanted to add my 2 cents.
I agree with those that say Siri is going to be HUGE. This completely turns the conventional use of tools on its head (multitouch is going to look like a baby step compared to this). Language (i.e. literacy) is arguably one (if not, the ONE) of a few advancements that have forever changed humanity. Up until this point our use of tools has been limited to the physical realm. This is now no longer the case. Siri is by far and away the tipping point in shifting this paradigm.
We've been using language for a few generations now. It's been useful. But the alphabet has just been invented... can't wait to see what happens next.
So the next thing they'll be telling us is that we should all go back to basic phone because THAT is all we need. Siri is outstanding for a first release. Honestly, it makes texting and email so cool. And I'm just starting to learn what it can do.
As long as you know you are emailing and texting Apple at the same time. What they are doing with it they haven't said yet.
There's probably a lot of truth to that. Google only invests in things that might improve their ad revenue. Although I'm sure they'll find a way around that problem - like emailing your ads to you after you make a voice search request.
Right! As if anyone would be caught opening an email that was an ad! Fool me once...
“Your phone is a tool for communicating. You shouldn’t be communicating with the phone; you should be communicating with somebody on the other side of the phone,” [Rubin] added.
Yes, you should be communicating your searches, browsing habits, location, velocity, calls, contacts, schedule, photos, videos, voice recordings, e-mails, texts, tweets and usage data to Google. And with the new Galaxy Nexus, you should^H^H^H^H^H^Hwill also communicate your purchases and barometric pressure to Google. FTW!!!
I have read those documents repeatedly and have yet to find any mention of what they are doing with the information they are collecting with Siri. If you use it to make an appointment they know with whom and when. If you use Siri to call a number, they know to whom and when. If you use Siri to compose a text or an email, they know the person and the words you used.
Please show me where these privacy concerns are addressed. I'm not saying the policies don't exist only that I am unable to find them.
I have read those documents repeatedly and have yet to find any mention of what they are doing with the information they are collecting with Siri. If you use it to make an appointment they know with whom and when. If you use Siri to call a number, they know to whom and when. If you use Siri to compose a text or an email, they know the person and the words you used.
Please show me where these privacy concerns are addressed. I'm not saying the policies don't exist only that I am unable to find them.
Under Software>iOS5:
"(c) Siri. If your iOS Device supports Siri, which includes the dictation feature, these features allow you to make requests, give commands and dictate text to your device using your voice. When you use Siri, the things you say will be recorded and sent to Apple to process your requests. Your device will also send Apple other information, such as your first name and nickname; the names, nicknames, and relationship with you (e.g., “my dad”) of your address book contacts; and song names in your collection (collectively, your “User Data”). All of this data is used to help Siri understand you better and recognize what you say. It is not linked to other data that Apple may have from your use of other Apple services. By using Siri, you agree and consent to Apple’s and its subsidiaries’ and agents’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of this information, including your voice input and User Data, to provide and improve Siri and other Apple products and services. If you have Location Services turned on, the location of your iOS Device at the time you make a request will also be sent to Apple to help Siri improve the accuracy of its response to your location-based requests. You may disable the location-based functionality of Siri by going to the Location Services setting on your iOS Device and turning off the individual location setting for Siri. You can also turn off Siri altogether at any time. To do so, open Settings, tap General, tap Siri, and slide the Siri switch to “off”. You may also restrict the ability to use Siri under the Restrictions Setting." (Emphasis is in the original text).
N.B.: "[Siri data] is not linked to other data that Apple may have from your use of other Apple services."
Where is Google's policy on Android? For years, Google did not post its privacy policy on its home page, in defiance of California law--Google's home state.
It's been conjectured that Netflix wanted to spin off its mail-order business because a loose interpretation of the Video Privacy Protection Act from the 1980s would prevent the on-line portion of its business from sharing customer information with "partners". Did Google stop selling the Nexus for the same reason?
By using Siri, you agree and consent to Apple’s and its subsidiaries’ and agents’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of this information, including your voice input and User Data, to provide and improve Siri and other Apple products and services. If you have Location Services turned on, the location of your iOS Device at the time you make a request will also be sent to Apple to help Siri improve the accuracy of its response to your location-based requests.
I thank you for your help in locating that information although my worst case scenario has now been confirmed to be true.
?Your phone is a tool for communicating. You shouldn?t be communicating with the phone; you should be communicating with somebody on the other side of the phone,? he [Rubin] added.
With apologies to Dr. Strangelove... Andy Andy: "You can't talk in here -- this is the Communications Center!"
I agree with most of it I suppose. Apple's purchase of Siri was a great decision. Especially the deep integration it has. I however would not use this in public, and would probably laugh / shake my head at anyone who does when I finally see it happen.
I would however use it to send a text to someone while driving.
A lot of these features have been available on Android for quite a while. As in, with a single button press, I can tell my phone to call anyone, to send a text message, or to start voice navigation.
Everything else that Siri has is usually just a glorified Google search.
Your response, plus that of Rubin and Lees, is great news for Apple - it demonstrates that people are asleep at the wheel, as usual, unaware of the fact that the firmament just shifted beneath them.
The inability of Rubin to see the value in this technology, and both of their insistence on comparing it to their own really poor voice control implementations, shows that they still don't get the fact that the devil really is in the details. Revolutionary is an emergent property.
Would you rather have Apple mine your data for the specific, stated, purpose of improving the Siri service...
Or have Google mine your data with the specific purpose of selling your information?
Easy choice, Eh?
I think you are selectively reading the parts of the policy that sound reasonable and ignoring the parts that don't. They are sharing it with subsidies and agents to improve Siri and other Apple products and services. Why they have to share it with other agents and what other products they are repurposing the information for is not disclosed. I could see them sharing it with ad agencies to improve iAd for example.
I think you are selectively reading the parts of the policy that sound reasonable and ignoring the parts that don't. They are sharing it with subsidies and agents to improve Siri and other Apple products and services. Why they have to share it with other agents and what other products they are repurposing the information for is not disclosed. I could see them sharing it with ad agencies to improve iAd for example.
Apple has stated elsewhere (not Siri related) that your information is aggregated for use by iAd advertisers...
I suspect that Apple will follow a similar policy if they choose to share Siri data.
But what I believe they will do is share your information (sanitized if necessary) with Nuance, Wolfram, Yelp, etc. to improve the results and performance of Siri and its support structure.
Based on my 33 years of experience with Apple, I believe that they will do everything within their power to protect our privacy.
Traditionally, Apple has been very careful about their dedication to user privacy -- a promise, if broken... not easily mended.
On the other hand Google seems to feel that they are entitled to all information...
Eric Schmidt [then] Google CEO: "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."
If Jobs was allowed to downplay his competitors at every turn, his competitors are allowed to do the same. What are they supposed to do?
Whether or not that's true and verifiable, it still does not make muckraking ethical. As a marketing ploy, attempting to minimize another's work by denegration is inappropriate.
Traditionally, Apple has been very careful about their dedication to user privacy -- a promise, if broken... not easily mended.
On the other hand Google seems to feel that they are entitled to all information...
Exactly.
Just look at the slow, careful pains Apple took to sign up the record labels and movie studios with iTunes (and iTunes Match). Look how quickly Apple responded to the "location-gate" bug: Simultaneous security updates provided across the last 3-years' of iOS hardware. What did Google do?
Contrast that with Google's approach of stomping on intellectual property rights. Copying million-volume libraries and distributing books on the Internet without authors' permission. Recording Wi-Fi data wholesale. Android policies and bugs that leave your personal data open to being swiped--deja vu Windows--with no recourse to fix many of these bugs unless you buy a new smartphone each month.
Of course, Google would prefer to be portrayed as a "pioneer". Facebook would, too. "Going where no man [with a sense of propriety] has gone before." That's a problem with our IP and privacy laws that are 30 years out of date.
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Actually, given the comments from Microsoft and Google, it's entirely possible that they might be. Neither of them things voice recognition has much value, so why spend money on it?
Sure I do. Search this forum for thousands of posts from PC people arguing that their PC was so superior to the Mac because the Mac didn't have a native version of Doom/warfare/shootemup of the month.
There's probably a lot of truth to that. Google only invests in things that might improve their ad revenue. Although I'm sure they'll find a way around that problem - like emailing your ads to you after you make a voice search request.
But, you (from your device, location, IP address, cookies, etc.) won't make the request to Google -- Siri will, through Apple's servers... Google will not know who you are or be able to mine your data!
NCDC is going to get a lot of advertising spam.
By using Siri, we are deputizing her to protect our privacy!
I agree with those that say Siri is going to be HUGE. This completely turns the conventional use of tools on its head (multitouch is going to look like a baby step compared to this). Language (i.e. literacy) is arguably one (if not, the ONE) of a few advancements that have forever changed humanity. Up until this point our use of tools has been limited to the physical realm. This is now no longer the case. Siri is by far and away the tipping point in shifting this paradigm.
We've been using language for a few generations now. It's been useful. But the alphabet has just been invented... can't wait to see what happens next.
K
Sure, like Apple has no interest in the phone business.
Yeah... and some people are dumb enough to fall for these deflections, repeatedly.
Apple says "No, we aren't going to do A"... then, if it is worth doing, takes it time, then delivers A^3.
Competitors say "Here's C"... then early-ship a bug-laden C---.
Apple's beta of Siri is orders of magnitude better than the crap MS or Google routinely throw out there -- to see if it sticks!
Coming into the forum a little late but wanted to add my 2 cents.
I agree with those that say Siri is going to be HUGE. This completely turns the conventional use of tools on its head (multitouch is going to look like a baby step compared to this). Language (i.e. literacy) is arguably one (if not, the ONE) of a few advancements that have forever changed humanity. Up until this point our use of tools has been limited to the physical realm. This is now no longer the case. Siri is by far and away the tipping point in shifting this paradigm.
We've been using language for a few generations now. It's been useful. But the alphabet has just been invented... can't wait to see what happens next.
K
+++ QFT
This person understands!
So the next thing they'll be telling us is that we should all go back to basic phone because THAT is all we need. Siri is outstanding for a first release. Honestly, it makes texting and email so cool. And I'm just starting to learn what it can do.
As long as you know you are emailing and texting Apple at the same time. What they are doing with it they haven't said yet.
Yeah... and some people are dumb enough to fall for these deflections, repeatedly.
Fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on the people dumb enough to believe anything that Apple ever says.
Sheesh. How dumb can you be? Believe Apple? HAR!
There's probably a lot of truth to that. Google only invests in things that might improve their ad revenue. Although I'm sure they'll find a way around that problem - like emailing your ads to you after you make a voice search request.
Right! As if anyone would be caught opening an email that was an ad! Fool me once...
“Your phone is a tool for communicating. You shouldn’t be communicating with the phone; you should be communicating with somebody on the other side of the phone,” [Rubin] added.
Yes, you should be communicating your searches, browsing habits, location, velocity, calls, contacts, schedule, photos, videos, voice recordings, e-mails, texts, tweets and usage data to Google. And with the new Galaxy Nexus, you should^H^H^H^H^H^Hwill also communicate your purchases and barometric pressure to Google. FTW!!!
As long as you know you are emailing and texting Apple at the same time. What they are doing with it they haven't said yet.
Just this: http://www.apple.com/legal/
And for Google, this: http://www.google.com/intl/en/privacy/ Where's Android? (Android isn't a product.)
Just this: http://www.apple.com/legal/
I have read those documents repeatedly and have yet to find any mention of what they are doing with the information they are collecting with Siri. If you use it to make an appointment they know with whom and when. If you use Siri to call a number, they know to whom and when. If you use Siri to compose a text or an email, they know the person and the words you used.
Please show me where these privacy concerns are addressed. I'm not saying the policies don't exist only that I am unable to find them.
I have read those documents repeatedly and have yet to find any mention of what they are doing with the information they are collecting with Siri. If you use it to make an appointment they know with whom and when. If you use Siri to call a number, they know to whom and when. If you use Siri to compose a text or an email, they know the person and the words you used.
Please show me where these privacy concerns are addressed. I'm not saying the policies don't exist only that I am unable to find them.
Under Software>iOS5:
"(c) Siri. If your iOS Device supports Siri, which includes the dictation feature, these features allow you to make requests, give commands and dictate text to your device using your voice. When you use Siri, the things you say will be recorded and sent to Apple to process your requests. Your device will also send Apple other information, such as your first name and nickname; the names, nicknames, and relationship with you (e.g., “my dad”) of your address book contacts; and song names in your collection (collectively, your “User Data”). All of this data is used to help Siri understand you better and recognize what you say. It is not linked to other data that Apple may have from your use of other Apple services. By using Siri, you agree and consent to Apple’s and its subsidiaries’ and agents’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of this information, including your voice input and User Data, to provide and improve Siri and other Apple products and services. If you have Location Services turned on, the location of your iOS Device at the time you make a request will also be sent to Apple to help Siri improve the accuracy of its response to your location-based requests. You may disable the location-based functionality of Siri by going to the Location Services setting on your iOS Device and turning off the individual location setting for Siri. You can also turn off Siri altogether at any time. To do so, open Settings, tap General, tap Siri, and slide the Siri switch to “off”. You may also restrict the ability to use Siri under the Restrictions Setting." (Emphasis is in the original text).
N.B.: "[Siri data] is not linked to other data that Apple may have from your use of other Apple services."
Where is Google's policy on Android? For years, Google did not post its privacy policy on its home page, in defiance of California law--Google's home state.
It's been conjectured that Netflix wanted to spin off its mail-order business because a loose interpretation of the Video Privacy Protection Act from the 1980s would prevent the on-line portion of its business from sharing customer information with "partners". Did Google stop selling the Nexus for the same reason?
Under Software>iOS5:
By using Siri, you agree and consent to Apple’s and its subsidiaries’ and agents’ transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of this information, including your voice input and User Data, to provide and improve Siri and other Apple products and services. If you have Location Services turned on, the location of your iOS Device at the time you make a request will also be sent to Apple to help Siri improve the accuracy of its response to your location-based requests.
I thank you for your help in locating that information although my worst case scenario has now been confirmed to be true.
?Your phone is a tool for communicating. You shouldn?t be communicating with the phone; you should be communicating with somebody on the other side of the phone,? he [Rubin] added.
With apologies to Dr. Strangelove... Andy Andy: "You can't talk in here -- this is the Communications Center!"
I thank you for your help in locating that information although my worst case scenario has now been confirmed to be true.
Would you rather have Apple mine your data for the specific, stated, purpose of improving the Siri service...
Or have Google mine your data with the specific purpose of selling your information?
Easy choice, Eh?
I agree with most of it I suppose. Apple's purchase of Siri was a great decision. Especially the deep integration it has. I however would not use this in public, and would probably laugh / shake my head at anyone who does when I finally see it happen.
I would however use it to send a text to someone while driving.
A lot of these features have been available on Android for quite a while. As in, with a single button press, I can tell my phone to call anyone, to send a text message, or to start voice navigation.
Everything else that Siri has is usually just a glorified Google search.
Your response, plus that of Rubin and Lees, is great news for Apple - it demonstrates that people are asleep at the wheel, as usual, unaware of the fact that the firmament just shifted beneath them.
The inability of Rubin to see the value in this technology, and both of their insistence on comparing it to their own really poor voice control implementations, shows that they still don't get the fact that the devil really is in the details. Revolutionary is an emergent property.
Would you rather have Apple mine your data for the specific, stated, purpose of improving the Siri service...
Or have Google mine your data with the specific purpose of selling your information?
Easy choice, Eh?
I think you are selectively reading the parts of the policy that sound reasonable and ignoring the parts that don't. They are sharing it with subsidies and agents to improve Siri and other Apple products and services. Why they have to share it with other agents and what other products they are repurposing the information for is not disclosed. I could see them sharing it with ad agencies to improve iAd for example.
I think you are selectively reading the parts of the policy that sound reasonable and ignoring the parts that don't. They are sharing it with subsidies and agents to improve Siri and other Apple products and services. Why they have to share it with other agents and what other products they are repurposing the information for is not disclosed. I could see them sharing it with ad agencies to improve iAd for example.
Apple has stated elsewhere (not Siri related) that your information is aggregated for use by iAd advertisers...
I suspect that Apple will follow a similar policy if they choose to share Siri data.
But what I believe they will do is share your information (sanitized if necessary) with Nuance, Wolfram, Yelp, etc. to improve the results and performance of Siri and its support structure.
Based on my 33 years of experience with Apple, I believe that they will do everything within their power to protect our privacy.
Traditionally, Apple has been very careful about their dedication to user privacy -- a promise, if broken... not easily mended.
On the other hand Google seems to feel that they are entitled to all information...
Eric Schmidt [then] Google CEO: "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place."
If Jobs was allowed to downplay his competitors at every turn, his competitors are allowed to do the same. What are they supposed to do?
Whether or not that's true and verifiable, it still does not make muckraking ethical. As a marketing ploy, attempting to minimize another's work by denegration is inappropriate.
Traditionally, Apple has been very careful about their dedication to user privacy -- a promise, if broken... not easily mended.
On the other hand Google seems to feel that they are entitled to all information...
Exactly.
Just look at the slow, careful pains Apple took to sign up the record labels and movie studios with iTunes (and iTunes Match). Look how quickly Apple responded to the "location-gate" bug: Simultaneous security updates provided across the last 3-years' of iOS hardware. What did Google do?
Contrast that with Google's approach of stomping on intellectual property rights. Copying million-volume libraries and distributing books on the Internet without authors' permission. Recording Wi-Fi data wholesale. Android policies and bugs that leave your personal data open to being swiped--deja vu Windows--with no recourse to fix many of these bugs unless you buy a new smartphone each month.
Of course, Google would prefer to be portrayed as a "pioneer". Facebook would, too. "Going where no man [with a sense of propriety] has gone before." That's a problem with our IP and privacy laws that are 30 years out of date.