Steve Jobs vowed to 'destroy' Google Android, called it a 'stolen product'

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  • Reply 221 of 377
    Steve Jobs can destroy me anytime.....
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  • Reply 222 of 377
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    You see?



    He wanted to stifle competition.
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  • Reply 223 of 377
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member




    Samsung i330



    Circa 2002
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  • Reply 224 of 377
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    He wanted to stifle theft.



    Fixed.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    Samsung i330



    Circa 2002



    APPLE OBVIOUSLY COPIED THIS. THIS IMAGE IS IRREFUTABLE PROOF.



    Seriously, stay out of this argument. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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  • Reply 225 of 377
    Didn't Android have wireless synching a couple years before iOS, among other features?



    Are Apple products 100% original ideas that Jobs pulled out of his ass with no influences?



    Hypocrite much?
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  • Reply 226 of 377
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Superbass View Post


    Didn't Android have wireless synching a couple years before iOS, among other features?



    Are Apple products 100% original ideas that Jobs pulled out of his ass with no influences?



    Hypocrite much?



    Go back and read my last post.



    There's a big difference between using an idea and an implementation. Apple does the former. Google thrives on the latter.
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  • Reply 227 of 377
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    There's a big difference between using an idea and an implementation. Apple does the former. Google thrives on the latter.



    So what is the difference then? Explain it. Clearly.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Fixed.

    APPLE OBVIOUSLY COPIED THIS. THIS IMAGE IS IRREFUTABLE PROOF.



    Seriously, stay out of this argument. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.





    You cant say that Apple was the originator/inventor of a touch screen based PDA + phone.



    There is nothing "revolutionary" Apple has done at least on the product side.



    What they HAVE "revolutionized" is in the way ordinary people now knew of a technology product.



    All of this was thanks to Apple's marketing team, aka the fluff.
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  • Reply 228 of 377
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Go back and read my last post.



    There's a big difference between using an idea and an implementation. Apple does the former. Google thrives on the latter.



    what implementations has Android "Stolen" btw?
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  • Reply 229 of 377
    Android is no more "stolen" from iOS than iOS is "stolen" from Windows Mobile, which is to say Windows Mobile is "stolen" from Palm.
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  • Reply 230 of 377
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    You cant say that Apple was the originator/inventor of a touch screen based PDA + phone.



    Oh, good. Glad we cleared that up. Except no one is saying that, so your argument is meaningless.



    Quote:

    What they HAVE "revolutionized" is in the way ordinary people now knew of a technology product.



    Define "knew of". What does "knew of" mean to you?



    Quote:

    All of this was thanks to Apple's marketing team, aka the fluff.



    Except nope. It pretty much entirely hinges on iPhone OS and its ability to do what no other system prior had.
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  • Reply 231 of 377
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Not really.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gwlaw99 View Post


    Kettle mean pot



    Palm TX from 2005





    iPhone





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  • Reply 232 of 377
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Not Picasso, but T.S. Elliot.

    Quote:

    One of the surest tests [of the superiority or inferiority of a poet] is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different than that from which it is torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest.



    For those unable to see the distinction:

    http://brianericford.tumblr.com/post.../great-artists

    Quote:
    • Copying involves reproducing something wholesale and leaving the original intact.

    • Stealing involves taking something and making it your own; the original owner is left with nothing.




    This was linked to by Gruber, whom I completely detest, but he is right. And Ford is dead on when he says the T.S. Elliot's comment is "the most apt description of the difference between Apple’s vision for iOS and Google’s for Android I’ve ever read." It really is.
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  • Reply 233 of 377
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Or if you prefer.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gwlaw99 View Post


    Kettle mean pot



    Palm TX from 2005





    iPhone





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  • Reply 234 of 377
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    And they all are stolen from Apple's Newton.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Shidell View Post


    Android is no more "stolen" from iOS than iOS is "stolen" from Windows Mobile, which is to say Windows Mobile is "stolen" from Palm.



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  • Reply 235 of 377
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    And the Palm kind of looks like this. Hmmm.







    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tulkas View Post


    Nor a capacitive touch screen, nor multitouch, nor a real browser, nor a decent music/audio playback, nor usable screen for mutimedia, nor built in store to buy music.



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  • Reply 236 of 377
    majjomajjo Posts: 574member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post


    This is an early Android prototype from when Google was still ripping off Palm and BlackBerry.

    If Eric Schmidt hadn't done his amateur corporate espionage bit, Android phones might still look like this.







    A lot of people quote this prototype picture as evidence that google drastically changed android post iphone to copy it. Yet, if you actually look at the OS, it seems that the opposite is true; the core of android remained mostly the same.



    This is what google eventually released:





    So, show me what has drastically changed, because I don't see it:



    The notification system is largely the same as the prototype; they didn't change it to match iOS'.

    The desktop was expanded to include widgets; a feature that iOS doesn't have.

    The dock was already in place in the prototype, so its not copied from iOS.

    The navigation buttons remained the same; they didn't copy iOS' singular home button.

    The prototype was already touch capable, so they didn't lift that from iOS either.

    The form factor changed from a candybar QWERTY keyboard to a slide out QWERTY keyboard, so even that is not copied from the iPhone.



    Now, did the iPhone affected android in ways? Of course, you'll be delusional to think that google didn't consider features in the iPhone prior to releasing Android. However considering how similar the core of the final release of android is to the prototype, you have to be equally as delusional to think that google drastically changed android to be a clone of iOS.
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  • Reply 237 of 377
    shidellshidell Posts: 187member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TBell View Post


    And they all are stolen from Apple's Newton.



    Is your argument that because Apple created the Newton in 1987 (or thereabout), that no designer of mobile technology should be able to use any abstract idea involved in it? Form, function, design, color, input, output, etc.?



    This argument is ridiculous. Would you argue that Ford should claim intellectual property on the Model T, and that all other vehicles are stealing from his design?



    Is that really your agument? Or do you simply want someone to acknowledge that Android has derived in some way from an Apple Newton?
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  • Reply 238 of 377
    tulkastulkas Posts: 3,757member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post






    Samsung i330



    Circa 2002



    Are you still droning on about touch screens? The capacitive touch screens are one of the ways Apple set their iPhone apart (unlike that resistive POS you pasted). Were there other phones using capacitive touch? Maybe, but none implemented it in a user-friendly, intuitive, multi-touch manner the way Apple did. No one. You can't say that about Android because there is always the iPhone getting in the way.
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  • Reply 239 of 377
    linkgx1linkgx1 Posts: 742member
    Some dumbasses in this thread.
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  • Reply 240 of 377
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Galbi View Post


    Quote:

    There's a big difference between using an idea and an implementation. Apple does the former. Google thrives on the latter.



    So what is the difference then? Explain it. Clearly.



    I already did.



    Ideas can not be legally protected. It is impossible to get a valid copyright, patent, trademark, or design patent on an ideal.



    IMPLEMENTATION can be patented, trademarked, copyrighted, etc - so it is legally protectable.



    There is nothing legally wrong with using an idea. It IS wrong to use an implementation which is protected by intellectual property laws.



    Example:



    Idea: connecting devices wirelessly



    Implementation: Using a specific circuitry and specific radio wave communication covered by patent xxxxxxxxx.
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