This sounds insane on the surface, but since Google doesn't seem to want to mention Android during their earnings calls? it might not be an insane idea.
They're obviously never going to do it, but evidence suggests that if it WERE to happen, it wouldn't be financially irresponsible.
Android is given away for FREE. Thus by that very definition it CANNOT generate earnings for Google. Thus no need to mention it in an earnings meeting.
And yes, it would be an insane idea. It would mean Google would likely be surrendering the entire mobile advertising market to competitors. If Google kills Android, all Apple has to do is come out and revise the developer rules to only allow iAds for in-app advertising. They already revised the rules once to competitively disadvantage Google's ads by preventing location-based data collection. With the push to more connected mobile devices, it would very much be financially irresponsible to be at the mercy of other companies for access to that market.
Android is given away for FREE. Thus by that very definition it CANNOT generate earnings for Google. Thus no need to mention it in an earnings meeting.
And yes, it would be an insane idea. It would mean Google would likely be surrendering the entire mobile advertising market to competitors. If Google kills Android, all Apple has to do is come out and revise the developer rules to only allow iAds for in-app advertising. They already revised the rules once to competitively disadvantage Google's ads by preventing location-based data collection. With the push to more connected mobile devices, it would very much be financially irresponsible to be at the mercy of other companies for access to that market.
Android Development costs aren't free. That break down missing from the 10-Q is very misleading, if it does not exist.
Linux distributions or Windows would be nowhere without Apple's Mac OS. But then, Linux's Konqueror pioneered quick-look / hover-over-file-peek features some 5 years before Apple or Microsoft started to implement them. Today, Linux and Windows can provide better IT systems than Apple, particularly with regard to Netbooks, affordable high-end portable computing or really fast really big computers. This is not a closed world, there is no either / or. It is not THAT easy.
It is ridiculous. Last time I checked, fine art like a Warhol isn't sold in the canned goods section of a grocery store. A picture of a can of soup is not a rip off of soup.....its art. Android is not making a collage of iPhones, their making iPhone clones. It is distasteful and repugnant and has nothing to do with genius of "stealing" in the context of art. Sheesh, is everyone going to start calling juvenile delinquents "geniuses" because they do lots of stealing?
I don't know how, at this point, there can be any argument about whether Google, with Android, ripped off Apple's IP. They've admitted as much in court by requesting that they be allowed a free pass on their infringement. This shouldn't be surprising to anyone, their entire business model has for years been based on ripping off and "giving away for free" other's IP.
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
Would you like to be reported and banned now or five posts from now?
What's the difference between Apple innovating on the Xerox mouse and Google innovating on Apple's iPhone? More Patents filed now than then? Just sayin.....
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
You have no way of knowing that. Apple produced the iPhone when there was nothing like it on the market before. Why do you think they have to rely on Google for improvement ideas after that?
Would you like to be reported and banned now or five posts from now?
What exactly do you plan on reporting me for? Having a minority perspective? My intention was not to insult. I am a fan of both Android and iOS platforms and believe in healthy competition. Also, I am not saying that Google is innocent of mimicking or borrowing ideas. Clearly both of these companies jacked ideas from each other, but in the end this only improves the situation for customers.
Just read over Jobs' commentary without a deep bias and you'll see it's kind of maniacal.
You have no way of knowing that. Apple produced the iPhone when there was nothing like it on the market before. Why do you think they have to rely on Google for improvement ideas after that?
Clearly Google rode more on Apple's coat tails, but I feel it's reasonable that the evolution of iOS was also propelled from several of the differing features from Android.
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
What the hell are you smoking? Jobs statements were from before Android had established any real presence. Has Android helped push Apple to adopt new features? Probably. Did it help push Apple to adopt any of the features you listed? No. Let's review:
1) Mulitasking. Jobs was very clear that they would not implement multutasking until they could do it in a way that would not kill battery life. They did this with their TSR implementation. This was not brought about because of Android. iOS is unix and fully multitasking. The limitation of single userspace apps completely intentional as was the TSR implementation. Nothing to do with Android.
2) Notifications. Given the JB community had almost identical notifications to what iOS 5 has and that they predate Android notifications, the best you can say is that both Apple and Android copied the iPhone JB community.
3) Cloud service. This is where you totally come off as a troll. Even if we ignore that Apple has had various evolutions of cloud services for over 10 years and if we ignore that Jobs has been promoting exactly the implementation that we now see since his days at NeXT, we would also have to ignore that Apple has been planning the data center in North Carolina for cloud service since at the very latest Spring 2009. That is when the state agreed to give Apple tax breaks for building the data center. Do you think Apple just bought the land, planned a data center and had no idea what they were going to do with it? No, they had been planning it prior to the land acquisition, which puts it into 2008, when Android was still almost considered a beta (not beta but no one was using it).
In short, you may have a point that competition helped drive Apple. But please try to use facts that make sense or even just facts. The one fact that is totally undeniable is that if not for Apple and the iPhone, you would still be using BB/WinMo looking shit, buying apps from your carrier, paying you left nut for a few MB of data, calling in for your VM, using a dedicated keyboard (well there are still some holdouts there), using a stylus and crowing about your great 1.5" screen. The fact is that Apple, and Apple alone has completely changed what we think of as smartphones. Other competitors might have pushed Apple to include some features, but the concept as a whole was radically new when Apple brought out the iPhone.
Remember, when you are using your Android and hating on Apple and Jobs, you are using an iPhone clone. Nothing more, nothing less.
Having an utterly wrong, purposefully confrontational, FUD-filled perspective.
No, you're planning on reporting him for essentially reminding AI that Apple has used a lot of the competition's features to improve their own. The fact that Apple started the mobile OS as we know it is irrelevant. Android improved on a lot of things Apple started and Apple adopted them. The fact that you choose to ignore this does not make it incorrect or FUD. While not all of these can be directly proved to be inspired by Android, the fact that Apple only added backgrounds (customization options), multi tasking, wireless syncing, Notification Center, and Widgets only after Android became popular leads seemingly everyone but you that Apple is not shy about borrowing good ideas as well.
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This sounds insane on the surface, but since Google doesn't seem to want to mention Android during their earnings calls? it might not be an insane idea.
They're obviously never going to do it, but evidence suggests that if it WERE to happen, it wouldn't be financially irresponsible.
Android is given away for FREE. Thus by that very definition it CANNOT generate earnings for Google. Thus no need to mention it in an earnings meeting.
And yes, it would be an insane idea. It would mean Google would likely be surrendering the entire mobile advertising market to competitors. If Google kills Android, all Apple has to do is come out and revise the developer rules to only allow iAds for in-app advertising. They already revised the rules once to competitively disadvantage Google's ads by preventing location-based data collection. With the push to more connected mobile devices, it would very much be financially irresponsible to be at the mercy of other companies for access to that market.
Android is given away for FREE. Thus by that very definition it CANNOT generate earnings for Google. Thus no need to mention it in an earnings meeting.
And yes, it would be an insane idea. It would mean Google would likely be surrendering the entire mobile advertising market to competitors. If Google kills Android, all Apple has to do is come out and revise the developer rules to only allow iAds for in-app advertising. They already revised the rules once to competitively disadvantage Google's ads by preventing location-based data collection. With the push to more connected mobile devices, it would very much be financially irresponsible to be at the mercy of other companies for access to that market.
Android Development costs aren't free. That break down missing from the 10-Q is very misleading, if it does not exist.
It is ridiculous. Last time I checked, fine art like a Warhol isn't sold in the canned goods section of a grocery store. A picture of a can of soup is not a rip off of soup.....its art. Android is not making a collage of iPhones, their making iPhone clones. It is distasteful and repugnant and has nothing to do with genius of "stealing" in the context of art. Sheesh, is everyone going to start calling juvenile delinquents "geniuses" because they do lots of stealing?
Ask Shepard Fairey.
So Google is the new Microsoft and Schmidt has replaced Bill Gates.
Good lord- it never ends.
i think i dislike schmidt more than gates (and i really dislike gates...)
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
Would you like to be reported and banned now or five posts from now?
What's the difference between Apple innovating on the Xerox mouse and Google innovating on Apple's iPhone? More Patents filed now than then? Just sayin.....
Plenty.
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
You have no way of knowing that. Apple produced the iPhone when there was nothing like it on the market before. Why do you think they have to rely on Google for improvement ideas after that?
Would you like to be reported and banned now or five posts from now?
What exactly do you plan on reporting me for? Having a minority perspective? My intention was not to insult. I am a fan of both Android and iOS platforms and believe in healthy competition. Also, I am not saying that Google is innocent of mimicking or borrowing ideas. Clearly both of these companies jacked ideas from each other, but in the end this only improves the situation for customers.
Just read over Jobs' commentary without a deep bias and you'll see it's kind of maniacal.
You have no way of knowing that. Apple produced the iPhone when there was nothing like it on the market before. Why do you think they have to rely on Google for improvement ideas after that?
Clearly Google rode more on Apple's coat tails, but I feel it's reasonable that the evolution of iOS was also propelled from several of the differing features from Android.
What exactly do you plan on reporting me for? Having a minority perspective?
Having an utterly wrong, purposefully confrontational, FUD-filled perspective.
Having an utterly wrong, purposefully confrontational, FUD-filled perspective.
Sometimes a little perspective helps to remove the blinders.
This is where Jobs really lost most of his grip on reality. Without Android, we'd prob be stuck with no multitasking, classic garbage notifications and no cloud-like services. If the Android platform were to suddenly fall into the abyss, you clowns would be wise to hope for a new worthy competitor to rise from the ashes.
What the hell are you smoking? Jobs statements were from before Android had established any real presence. Has Android helped push Apple to adopt new features? Probably. Did it help push Apple to adopt any of the features you listed? No. Let's review:
1) Mulitasking. Jobs was very clear that they would not implement multutasking until they could do it in a way that would not kill battery life. They did this with their TSR implementation. This was not brought about because of Android. iOS is unix and fully multitasking. The limitation of single userspace apps completely intentional as was the TSR implementation. Nothing to do with Android.
2) Notifications. Given the JB community had almost identical notifications to what iOS 5 has and that they predate Android notifications, the best you can say is that both Apple and Android copied the iPhone JB community.
3) Cloud service. This is where you totally come off as a troll. Even if we ignore that Apple has had various evolutions of cloud services for over 10 years and if we ignore that Jobs has been promoting exactly the implementation that we now see since his days at NeXT, we would also have to ignore that Apple has been planning the data center in North Carolina for cloud service since at the very latest Spring 2009. That is when the state agreed to give Apple tax breaks for building the data center. Do you think Apple just bought the land, planned a data center and had no idea what they were going to do with it? No, they had been planning it prior to the land acquisition, which puts it into 2008, when Android was still almost considered a beta (not beta but no one was using it).
In short, you may have a point that competition helped drive Apple. But please try to use facts that make sense or even just facts. The one fact that is totally undeniable is that if not for Apple and the iPhone, you would still be using BB/WinMo looking shit, buying apps from your carrier, paying you left nut for a few MB of data, calling in for your VM, using a dedicated keyboard (well there are still some holdouts there), using a stylus and crowing about your great 1.5" screen. The fact is that Apple, and Apple alone has completely changed what we think of as smartphones. Other competitors might have pushed Apple to include some features, but the concept as a whole was radically new when Apple brought out the iPhone.
Remember, when you are using your Android and hating on Apple and Jobs, you are using an iPhone clone. Nothing more, nothing less.
Having an utterly wrong, purposefully confrontational, FUD-filled perspective.
No, you're planning on reporting him for essentially reminding AI that Apple has used a lot of the competition's features to improve their own. The fact that Apple started the mobile OS as we know it is irrelevant. Android improved on a lot of things Apple started and Apple adopted them. The fact that you choose to ignore this does not make it incorrect or FUD. While not all of these can be directly proved to be inspired by Android, the fact that Apple only added backgrounds (customization options), multi tasking, wireless syncing, Notification Center, and Widgets only after Android became popular leads seemingly everyone but you that Apple is not shy about borrowing good ideas as well.
"Good artists copy great artists steal"
-Steve Jobs
There is a difference between standing on the shoulders of past greats and ripping off a product.
So then why hasn't he been arrested?
Because he's in the top 1%.