The difference is huge. a timer when combined with a wiper blade is an invention. a timer when combined with a clock is another. a timer when combined with an artificial heart valve yet another. bring things together to make something new is an invention.
Those are physical; the implementation of apple's is all done in software. And even if you claim it involves some hardware, software that works with hardware has recently been ruled not patentable.
Lol, no, of course, I just never want to answer a call and take photos simultaneously, so I'm happy to be able to repurpose the button. It's intuitive for me, and I don't let others answer my phone.
So, obvious as it may be, maybe that's the reason for Apple wanting to patent such a gesture. What you describe, repurposing buttons on your phone, is exactly what Apple stands against. Apple's products are conceived and created so anyone can use and keep it 100% functional with as little effort as possible. I love to tinker with my electronic gadgets but I really appreciate all of the behind-the-scenes work Apple puts into its products so I don't have to mess with anything. They think things through in a practical way.
The original purpose of the unlock slide as a very specific gesture was to prevent it from unlocking in your pocket and accidentally dialing your wife while you are making out with your girlfriend.
The difference is huge. a timer when combined with a wiper blade is an invention. a timer when combined with a clock is another. a timer when combined with an artificial heart valve yet another. bring things together to make something new is an invention.
"And a fax machine is just a waffle iron with a phone attached." -- Abe Simpson
So, obvious as it may be, maybe that's the reason for Apple wanting to patent such a gesture. What you describe, repurposing buttons on your phone, is exactly what Apple stands against. Apple's products are conceived and created so anyone can use and keep it 100% functional with as little effort as possible. I love to tinker with my electronic gadgets but I really appreciate all of the behind-the-scenes work Apple puts into its products so I don't have to mess with anything. They think things through in a practical way.
They probably figure it doesn't resonate as well with consumers since there are so many companies following Apples design aesthetic. "it just works" indicates the brains behind the beauty.
Looking at Neonode N1m, I think iPhone's unlock is pretty different because it is a "gesture" not a "grid sequence" and iPhone has a visual feedback that simulates the "drag" motion while Neonode does not.
Also, as for Taiwan, because it is a small county/state/province (I don't want to get into a political debate depending on which side you are on) , the Taiwanese government frequently organize d resources and initiatives to aid the industry such as PC components, memory chips... etc. In fact some critics have suggested that companies have been accustomed to getting government help.
My advice to HTC, find a different way to unlock the phone. Why copy Apple?
Looking at Neonode N1m, I think iPhone's unlock is pretty different because it is a "gesture" not a "grid sequence" and iPhone has a visual feedback that simulates the "drag" motion while Neonode does not.
How you choose to explain it doesn't matter, it's the same gesture the image notwithstanding. Apple's implementation works without the visual feedback as well, making the latter dispensable. That addition alone should not have been considered patent-worthy.
They probably figure it doesn't resonate as well with consumers since there are so many companies following Apples design aesthetic. "it just works" indicates the brains behind the beauty.
Whatever works for you... When principles become replaced by marketing slogans, the downfall is imminent.
So you see the "think different" ad campaign as a principle and "it just works" as a marketing slogan(has that been used in an ad?)? Not sure you're making sense here.
Certainly, paying for Apple's intellectual property hurts competitors, compared to stealing Apple's patented products for free. That is what life is like in a society where intellectual property rights exist.
Taiwan being unable to copy & resell Apple's patented designs might indeed give Apple a corner on its own patented design. Again, what is wrong with that.
Apparently if most people saw it first on Apple device, that means Apple owns it. It's not a novel idea of Apple's, but like all things they 'borrow' and bring to masses they will get credit along with exploitation rights.
The patent application was made in 2005? Two years before anyone saw it on the iphone. I'm not gonna get into whether it should be patentable or not though, I don't know anything about intellectual property. I would have to agree that it was first seen and utilized on an apple product though.
Looking at Neonode N1m, I think iPhone's unlock is pretty different because it is a "gesture" not a "grid sequence" and iPhone has a visual feedback that simulates the "drag" motion while Neonode does not.
Also, as for Taiwan, because it is a small county/state/province (I don't want to get into a political debate depending on which side you are on) , the Taiwanese government frequently organize d resources and initiatives to aid the industry such as PC components, memory chips... etc. In fact some critics have suggested that companies have been accustomed to getting government help.
My advice to HTC, find a different way to unlock the phone. Why copy Apple?
The neonode gave their demonstration AFTER the iphone was already released. The patent itself was filed in 2005, two years before the iphone came out. So who copied who? We don't know. What we do know, is apple applied for and was awarded the patent.
The neonode gave their demonstration AFTER the iphone was already released. The patent itself was filed in 2005, two years before the iphone came out. So who copied who? We don't know. What we do know, is apple applied for and was rewarded the patent.
Bollocks! The Neonode has been sold since 2004. Stop making up stuff.
So you see the "think different" ad campaign as a principle and "it just works" as a marketing slogan(has that been used in an ad?)? Not sure you're making sense here.
Exactly. "Think Different" is an advice, an order, an imperative. It doesn't just cajole you into buying something, it tells you to open your mind.
"It just works" -- meh. Meant to appeal to the lesser minds.
It's fairly clear that Google's "gesture to unlock" is not covered by this patent, is anything else? Let's get some actual examples and facts for a change.
You know, it kind of makes me wonder about the rollout of the 'use your face to unlock' - wonder if they were worried that Android was about to become impossible to gesture your way into?
Of course, if it turns out that existing Android builds are in violation, it should make for good entertainment seeing how companies roll out even fewer updates for older devices rather than having to put in an alternative method or license it. Or will they be sued for the older violations anyway? I guess they could argue that there were very real damages.
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The difference is huge. a timer when combined with a wiper blade is an invention. a timer when combined with a clock is another. a timer when combined with an artificial heart valve yet another. bring things together to make something new is an invention.
Those are physical; the implementation of apple's is all done in software. And even if you claim it involves some hardware, software that works with hardware has recently been ruled not patentable.
Lol, no, of course, I just never want to answer a call and take photos simultaneously, so I'm happy to be able to repurpose the button. It's intuitive for me, and I don't let others answer my phone.
So, obvious as it may be, maybe that's the reason for Apple wanting to patent such a gesture. What you describe, repurposing buttons on your phone, is exactly what Apple stands against. Apple's products are conceived and created so anyone can use and keep it 100% functional with as little effort as possible. I love to tinker with my electronic gadgets but I really appreciate all of the behind-the-scenes work Apple puts into its products so I don't have to mess with anything. They think things through in a practical way.
That's why they say....."It Just Works"
The original purpose of the unlock slide as a very specific gesture was to prevent it from unlocking in your pocket and accidentally dialing your wife while you are making out with your girlfriend.
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The difference is huge. a timer when combined with a wiper blade is an invention. a timer when combined with a clock is another. a timer when combined with an artificial heart valve yet another. bring things together to make something new is an invention.
"And a fax machine is just a waffle iron with a phone attached." -- Abe Simpson
So, obvious as it may be, maybe that's the reason for Apple wanting to patent such a gesture. What you describe, repurposing buttons on your phone, is exactly what Apple stands against. Apple's products are conceived and created so anyone can use and keep it 100% functional with as little effort as possible. I love to tinker with my electronic gadgets but I really appreciate all of the behind-the-scenes work Apple puts into its products so I don't have to mess with anything. They think things through in a practical way.
That's why they say....."It Just Works"
What ever happened to "Think Different"?
What ever happened to "Think Different"?
They probably figure it doesn't resonate as well with consumers since there are so many companies following Apples design aesthetic. "it just works" indicates the brains behind the beauty.
Also, as for Taiwan, because it is a small county/state/province (I don't want to get into a political debate depending on which side you are on) , the Taiwanese government frequently organize d resources and initiatives to aid the industry such as PC components, memory chips... etc. In fact some critics have suggested that companies have been accustomed to getting government help.
My advice to HTC, find a different way to unlock the phone. Why copy Apple?
Looking at Neonode N1m, I think iPhone's unlock is pretty different because it is a "gesture" not a "grid sequence" and iPhone has a visual feedback that simulates the "drag" motion while Neonode does not.
How you choose to explain it doesn't matter, it's the same gesture the image notwithstanding. Apple's implementation works without the visual feedback as well, making the latter dispensable. That addition alone should not have been considered patent-worthy.
Why copy Neonode?
FTFY
What ever happened to "Think Different"?
They probably figure it doesn't resonate as well with consumers since there are so many companies following Apples design aesthetic. "it just works" indicates the brains behind the beauty.
What he said.
Right-on, Doctor!
That tagline worked then, this one works now.
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That tagline worked then, this one works now.
Whatever works for you... When principles become replaced by marketing slogans, the downfall is imminent.
Whatever works for you... When principles become replaced by marketing slogans, the downfall is imminent.
So you see the "think different" ad campaign as a principle and "it just works" as a marketing slogan(has that been used in an ad?)? Not sure you're making sense here.
Taiwan being unable to copy & resell Apple's patented designs might indeed give Apple a corner on its own patented design. Again, what is wrong with that.
Apparently if most people saw it first on Apple device, that means Apple owns it. It's not a novel idea of Apple's, but like all things they 'borrow' and bring to masses they will get credit along with exploitation rights.
The patent application was made in 2005? Two years before anyone saw it on the iphone. I'm not gonna get into whether it should be patentable or not though, I don't know anything about intellectual property. I would have to agree that it was first seen and utilized on an apple product though.
Looking at Neonode N1m, I think iPhone's unlock is pretty different because it is a "gesture" not a "grid sequence" and iPhone has a visual feedback that simulates the "drag" motion while Neonode does not.
Also, as for Taiwan, because it is a small county/state/province (I don't want to get into a political debate depending on which side you are on) , the Taiwanese government frequently organize d resources and initiatives to aid the industry such as PC components, memory chips... etc. In fact some critics have suggested that companies have been accustomed to getting government help.
My advice to HTC, find a different way to unlock the phone. Why copy Apple?
The neonode gave their demonstration AFTER the iphone was already released. The patent itself was filed in 2005, two years before the iphone came out. So who copied who? We don't know. What we do know, is apple applied for and was awarded the patent.
The neonode gave their demonstration AFTER the iphone was already released. The patent itself was filed in 2005, two years before the iphone came out. So who copied who? We don't know. What we do know, is apple applied for and was rewarded the patent.
Bollocks! The Neonode has been sold since 2004. Stop making up stuff.
So you see the "think different" ad campaign as a principle and "it just works" as a marketing slogan(has that been used in an ad?)? Not sure you're making sense here.
Exactly. "Think Different" is an advice, an order, an imperative. It doesn't just cajole you into buying something, it tells you to open your mind.
"It just works" -- meh. Meant to appeal to the lesser minds.
"It just works" -- meh. Meant to appeal to the lesser minds.
It is also meant to appeal to the tech illiterates. Go to the Apple help website, and read the forums.
"It Just Works" is blatantly untrue.
It's fairly clear that Google's "gesture to unlock" is not covered by this patent, is anything else? Let's get some actual examples and facts for a change.
You know, it kind of makes me wonder about the rollout of the 'use your face to unlock' - wonder if they were worried that Android was about to become impossible to gesture your way into?
Of course, if it turns out that existing Android builds are in violation, it should make for good entertainment seeing how companies roll out even fewer updates for older devices rather than having to put in an alternative method or license it. Or will they be sued for the older violations anyway? I guess they could argue that there were very real damages.
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"It Just Works" is blatantly untrue.
Sadly, so is "Think Different" -- at least around here.
Exactly. "Think Different" is an advice, an order, an imperative. It doesn't just cajole you into buying something, it tells you to open your mind.
"It just works" -- meh. Meant to appeal to the lesser minds.
But like I said, with so many companies following apples designs it's obvious that the "think different" ad campaign was appropriate then but not now.
Edit: "lesser minds"? Not sure I see evidence of a greater mind in you're posts.