There may be technical reasons why Apple didn't offer Siri on other devices.
It may be purely a marketing decision.
That's for them to decide. As someone else said, they didn't break any promises by limiting Siri.
So, kudos to the people who did this amazing porting job. Maybe it will provoke Apple into discussing why Siri isn't on other devices, but I doubt it.
And, if you remember the sad dance that Palm did in trying to make their Pre sync with iTunes, with Apple each time making a corresponding change to disable it, expect the same to occur here with Siri.
Yeah, I've been calling bullshit on this 4S exclusivity thing. It's software. There is no reason the 4 can't run it. This is clearly Apple's attempt to make people plunk down cash for a new phone so they can get the feature.
I guess Apple can't win. They limit a release and people cry foul. They release all at once (e.g.: perfect storm of iOS 3.0, 3GS, MobileMe) and it fails to meet expectations and people cry foul. If it was already a logistical issue to have all these new 4S devices testing the new, still Beta, Siri what do you think 120 million potential Siri users would do to the system? Did you not read about the servers already responding that they were overloaded? This is a finite universe with finite resources surely you don't Apple to not abide by the laws of physics. That truly would be magical.
PS: It's not just SW. Let's not forget that SW runs on HW and all those Siri requests are funneled through finite network infrastructures to a finite number of servers to be processed by a finite number of cycles per second.
PPS: Consiser this: Apple instead waits 2 years until iO7 to build up conpetency, and server and networkig resouces, then release it on all devices that can run iOS 7, which starts Witt the 4S. Instead they decided to do a smaller more limited rollout of this Beta. Now, if in 2014 you found out that Apple decided to forgo any Beta of this tech to wait to releas all at once to all devices getting the latest version of iOS would you have not thought, "I wish they would have down a more controlled rollout instead waiting so long"? I know I would.
Wow, what an accomplishment. A hobbled and slow version of cutting edge software running on hardware neither designed or optimal for it. I'm inspired to put a 12-cylinder engine in my Mini. Kewl.
Actually, more like putting a go-kart engine in a Rolls Royce and expecting it to perform well.
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Originally Posted by SDW2001
Yeah, I've been calling bullshit on this 4S exclusivity thing. It's software. There is no reason the 4 can't run it. This is clearly Apple's attempt to make people plunk down cash for a new phone so they can get the feature.
And you know this because.....?
There may be all sorts of reasons why it will not perform optimally. Apple is not interested in "we can make this stumble along" kind of performance. There may be a very solid technical reason why the 4S is needed (or why the 4 will not work well under all conditions). Or there may not be. But since no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone, what are you complaining about? Go buy an Android phone and do with out Siri if you wish.
Given that initial reviews of the iPhone 4S have pointed to Siri as a main draw and "standout feature" of the device, Apple could move quickly to block the workaround from hackers.
The other alternative is to quit screwing i4 owners, and simply allow them to use SIRI.
Naw. Not very much like Apple. Not really their style.
I guess Apple can't win. They limit a release and people cry foul. They release all at once (e.g.: perfect storm of iOS 3.0, 3GS, MobileMe) and it fails to meet expectations and people cry foul. If it was already a logistical issue to have all these new 4S devices testing the new, still Beta, Siri what do you think 120 million potential Siri users would do to the system? Did you not read about the servers already responding that they were overloaded? This is a finite universe with finite resources surely you don't Apple to not abide by the laws of physics. That truly would be magical.
PS: It's not just SW. Let's not forget that SW runs on HW and all those Siri requests are funneled through finite network infrastructures to a finite number of servers to be processed by a finite number of cycles per second.
PPS: Consiser this: Apple instead waits 2 years until iO7 to build up conpetency, and server and networkig resouces, then release it on all devices that can run iOS 7, which starts Witt the 4S. Instead they decided to do a smaller more limited rollout of this Beta. Now, if in 2014 you found out that Apple decided to forgo any Beta of this tech to wait to releas all at once to all devices getting the latest version of iOS would you have not thought, "I wish they would have down a more controlled rollout instead waiting so long"? I know I would.
Good points all around..... it is up to Apple to decide what to do with he still beta software. They might have plans at some point to release it as part of an IOS upgrade/update. We just don't know.......but it does seem like Apple just can't win....if they had realsed Siri with IOS 5 and it not performed well then everyone would blame Apple.
Yeah, I've been calling bullshit on this 4S exclusivity thing. It's software. There is no reason the 4 can't run it. This is clearly Apple's attempt to make people plunk down cash for a new phone so they can get the feature.
Other than pure speculation, we have heard no reasons stated as to why the owners of the i4 are being denied to opportunity to use SIRI. The only actual reports we have heard, based upon tests by a clever dev, are that it works on the i4 to his satisfaction.
I hope this gets a public release. It will provide data for Apple to overturn the decision to make jailbreak in legal. They will be able to produce data showing that the jail breakers are 'stealing' Apple services. There is no reason that jail breaking should ever have been made legal when all of the console mod chips and r4ds devices remain illegal when they provide the same service.
If the jail breakers can steal this service from Apple then it should be ok to go ahead and hack access to Netflix etc.
Surprised the Apple apologists haven't come out yet, defending Apple's right to artificially restrict Siri to only the latest model, only to add a tiny bit more value to an otherwise underwhelming upgrade. "4 Steve," indeed. We all know this section would be full of insults and denigrations if Microsoft pulled this same crap with the latest Mango update.
Quit your whining troll. Typical ignorance and cluelessness on your part, it's no surprise you haven't been snatched-up to run a multi-billion dollar company. Unless you're demanding to work from the comfort of your basement.
People like you make little sense. First, Siri is beta software. That means Apple expects possible trouble with it, which makes sense since Siri is running on a new server farm. From the initial reception Siri has experienced a bit of server lag making its use somewhat muted for some users. In my view it makes sense to limit Siri's use to Apple's best hardware until kinks are worked out. The trouble Siri has experienced would be significantly amplified if it was supported on the iPhone 4 considering the huge installed base (since the hit on Apple's servers would be much larger).
Second, Siri was not an announced feature for iOS 5, which is free to all iOS devices, including those two generations old. If history is any indicator, Microsoft will charge a pretty penny for upgrades, and most Android users cannot run the latest version of Android because either the manufacturer or carrier impedes them.
Third, it only makes sense Apple employs Siri on as many devices as possible as soon as possible, as many are suggesting it is a way for Apple to undermine Google's search business.
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Surprised the Apple apologists haven't come out yet, defending Apple's right to artificially restrict Siri to only the latest model, only to add a tiny bit more value to an otherwise underwhelming upgrade. "4 Steve," indeed. We all know this section would be full of insults and denigrations if Microsoft pulled this same crap with the latest Mango update.
There may be all sorts of reasons why it will not perform optimally. Apple is not interested in "we can make this stumble along" kind of performance. There may be a very solid technical reason why the 4S is needed (or why the 4 will not work well under all conditions).
Still doesn't explain why they killed the existing Siri app that did run on iPhone 4.
It is legal to drive a car. Some people drink and drive and kill people. By your logic, nobody should be allowed to drive a car.
I paid $649 dollars for my iPhone. I own it. Nobody, including Apple is going to tell me what to do with it. Now if Apple wants to go after people illegally using its servers, that is another matter.
Moreover, crappy IP laws discourage tinkering, which creates dumb people.
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Originally Posted by irnchriz
I hope this gets a public release. It will provide data for Apple to overturn the decision to make jailbreak in legal. They will be able to produce data showing that the jail breakers are 'stealing' Apple services. There is no reason that jail breaking should ever have been made legal when all of the console mod chips and r4ds devices remain illegal when they provide the same service.
If the jail breakers can steal this service from Apple then it should be ok to go ahead and hack access to Netflix etc.
I don't think Siri is important enough to push down to lower end devices. It's nice in some situations like setting up alarms, but other than that I think typing is still faster and Siri asks to confirm too often.
Actually asking to confirm reminds me of MS asking to save settings after changing them (whereas Macs just change settings as soon as you change them). Get rid of confirmations and Siri becomes faster than typing, but by that time we will all have a 4S or a 5 in our hands and it won't be a huge deal.
1. It's a fake. They don't actually have Siri running. They just have something that looks like Siri for the sake of YouTube videos. They're still trying to get the software cracked.
2. If Apple's infrastructure is struggling with 4+ million phones, how do you think it would hold up to 100 million?
3. Regardless, it's their right to limit NEW features to NEW products. They are in no way obligated to give you the new features. I certainly don't see any Nexus 1/original Google Phone users screaming about not having Ice Cream Sandwich, even though it's "open" and should be able to run it...it's just software, right?
4. Out of the 4-8 iPhone 4s users and 100+ million iPhone users, it seems obvious there are <50 whiners who want everything for free and think they can run Apple better than Steve Jobs/Tim Cook.
5. Last time I checked, when a three year old product gets a whole new OS, iCloud support, new camera features and a few very useful apps like "Find My Friends" for free, that's a lagniappe, a bonus, a little something extra. Apple could've been like ALL the Android vendors and just said "Hey, you bought a phone with features A-C. If you wanted features D-Z, you should've bought something else!"
It is legal to drive a car. Some people drink and drive and kill people. By your logic, nobody should be allowed to drive a car.
I paid $649 dollars for my iPhone. I own it. Nobody, including Apple is going to tell me what to do with it. Now if Apple wants to go after people illegally using its servers, that is another matter.
Moreover, crappy IP laws discourage tinkering, which creates dumb people.
To be fair ,you bought a liscence. Which is what you agree tune upon activation/itunes. The body itself is yours, but the software belong's to Apple.
This is quite irresponsible. Apple will be growing server capacity inline with the number of 4S sold. If this hack becomes widespread it could ruin the experience for genuine, paying customers.
No it wasn't. The 3rd party app you refer to and the current implementation of Siri are not the same thing.
As far as this goes, jailbreaking is legal, but unlicensed use of software isn't. Jailbreaking your phoen to use Siri is no different than jailbreaking to side-load pirated apps.
Indeed. Jailbreaking to use Siri in this way would be 100% illegal (although it's really quite unlikely that anyone would get into trouble over it).
Tech sites like this one should be very careful not to promote this or publish instructions or links. A simple article that says you can do it and provides instructions could technically be involved in the commission of a felony in the USA.
Since Siri and Camera update were the only distinct upgrade on iPhone 4s, Apple might come out aggressive on this issue.
Siri and the camera were the only distinct upgrades?
I suppose that's true - if you ignore the CPU that's more than twice as fast. And the GPU that's 7 times as fast. And twice the max storage capacity. And the improved antenna. And world phone capability. And Bluetooth 4.0. And longer talk time. And probably a few more things I've forgotten.
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Still doesn't explain why they killed the existing Siri app that did run on iPhone 4.
So? First, do you know that it's the same version? Maybe Apple added new capabilities. Second, perhaps it didn't run well enough to meet Apple's standards, particularly when other things are active.
Furthermore, even if it DID run just fine on the iPhone 4, that's Apple's choice. If you don't like it, you're free to develop your own phone and software.
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It may be purely a marketing decision.
That's for them to decide. As someone else said, they didn't break any promises by limiting Siri.
So, kudos to the people who did this amazing porting job. Maybe it will provoke Apple into discussing why Siri isn't on other devices, but I doubt it.
And, if you remember the sad dance that Palm did in trying to make their Pre sync with iTunes, with Apple each time making a corresponding change to disable it, expect the same to occur here with Siri.
Yeah, I've been calling bullshit on this 4S exclusivity thing. It's software. There is no reason the 4 can't run it. This is clearly Apple's attempt to make people plunk down cash for a new phone so they can get the feature.
I guess Apple can't win. They limit a release and people cry foul. They release all at once (e.g.: perfect storm of iOS 3.0, 3GS, MobileMe) and it fails to meet expectations and people cry foul. If it was already a logistical issue to have all these new 4S devices testing the new, still Beta, Siri what do you think 120 million potential Siri users would do to the system? Did you not read about the servers already responding that they were overloaded? This is a finite universe with finite resources surely you don't Apple to not abide by the laws of physics. That truly would be magical.
PS: It's not just SW. Let's not forget that SW runs on HW and all those Siri requests are funneled through finite network infrastructures to a finite number of servers to be processed by a finite number of cycles per second.
PPS: Consiser this: Apple instead waits 2 years until iO7 to build up conpetency, and server and networkig resouces, then release it on all devices that can run iOS 7, which starts Witt the 4S. Instead they decided to do a smaller more limited rollout of this Beta. Now, if in 2014 you found out that Apple decided to forgo any Beta of this tech to wait to releas all at once to all devices getting the latest version of iOS would you have not thought, "I wish they would have down a more controlled rollout instead waiting so long"? I know I would.
Wow, what an accomplishment. A hobbled and slow version of cutting edge software running on hardware neither designed or optimal for it. I'm inspired to put a 12-cylinder engine in my Mini. Kewl.
Actually, more like putting a go-kart engine in a Rolls Royce and expecting it to perform well.
Yeah, I've been calling bullshit on this 4S exclusivity thing. It's software. There is no reason the 4 can't run it. This is clearly Apple's attempt to make people plunk down cash for a new phone so they can get the feature.
And you know this because.....?
There may be all sorts of reasons why it will not perform optimally. Apple is not interested in "we can make this stumble along" kind of performance. There may be a very solid technical reason why the 4S is needed (or why the 4 will not work well under all conditions). Or there may not be. But since no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone, what are you complaining about? Go buy an Android phone and do with out Siri if you wish.
In addition, if all the iPhone 4 users and iPod touch users start using Siri, the Siri system will go down more often than now.
Freeloaders...
Given that initial reviews of the iPhone 4S have pointed to Siri as a main draw and "standout feature" of the device, Apple could move quickly to block the workaround from hackers.
The other alternative is to quit screwing i4 owners, and simply allow them to use SIRI.
Naw. Not very much like Apple. Not really their style.
I guess Apple can't win. They limit a release and people cry foul. They release all at once (e.g.: perfect storm of iOS 3.0, 3GS, MobileMe) and it fails to meet expectations and people cry foul. If it was already a logistical issue to have all these new 4S devices testing the new, still Beta, Siri what do you think 120 million potential Siri users would do to the system? Did you not read about the servers already responding that they were overloaded? This is a finite universe with finite resources surely you don't Apple to not abide by the laws of physics. That truly would be magical.
PS: It's not just SW. Let's not forget that SW runs on HW and all those Siri requests are funneled through finite network infrastructures to a finite number of servers to be processed by a finite number of cycles per second.
PPS: Consiser this: Apple instead waits 2 years until iO7 to build up conpetency, and server and networkig resouces, then release it on all devices that can run iOS 7, which starts Witt the 4S. Instead they decided to do a smaller more limited rollout of this Beta. Now, if in 2014 you found out that Apple decided to forgo any Beta of this tech to wait to releas all at once to all devices getting the latest version of iOS would you have not thought, "I wish they would have down a more controlled rollout instead waiting so long"? I know I would.
Good points all around..... it is up to Apple to decide what to do with he still beta software. They might have plans at some point to release it as part of an IOS upgrade/update. We just don't know.......but it does seem like Apple just can't win....if they had realsed Siri with IOS 5 and it not performed well then everyone would blame Apple.
Yeah, I've been calling bullshit on this 4S exclusivity thing. It's software. There is no reason the 4 can't run it. This is clearly Apple's attempt to make people plunk down cash for a new phone so they can get the feature.
Other than pure speculation, we have heard no reasons stated as to why the owners of the i4 are being denied to opportunity to use SIRI. The only actual reports we have heard, based upon tests by a clever dev, are that it works on the i4 to his satisfaction.
If the jail breakers can steal this service from Apple then it should be ok to go ahead and hack access to Netflix etc.
It's software. There is no reason the 4 can't run it.
Let us know when you get Crysis running on your old Pentium II MMX computer, after all it's software, there's no reason the Pentium can't run it.
Surprised the Apple apologists haven't come out yet, defending Apple's right to artificially restrict Siri to only the latest model, only to add a tiny bit more value to an otherwise underwhelming upgrade. "4 Steve," indeed. We all know this section would be full of insults and denigrations if Microsoft pulled this same crap with the latest Mango update.
Quit your whining troll. Typical ignorance and cluelessness on your part, it's no surprise you haven't been snatched-up to run a multi-billion dollar company. Unless you're demanding to work from the comfort of your basement.
Second, Siri was not an announced feature for iOS 5, which is free to all iOS devices, including those two generations old. If history is any indicator, Microsoft will charge a pretty penny for upgrades, and most Android users cannot run the latest version of Android because either the manufacturer or carrier impedes them.
Third, it only makes sense Apple employs Siri on as many devices as possible as soon as possible, as many are suggesting it is a way for Apple to undermine Google's search business.
Surprised the Apple apologists haven't come out yet, defending Apple's right to artificially restrict Siri to only the latest model, only to add a tiny bit more value to an otherwise underwhelming upgrade. "4 Steve," indeed. We all know this section would be full of insults and denigrations if Microsoft pulled this same crap with the latest Mango update.
There may be all sorts of reasons why it will not perform optimally. Apple is not interested in "we can make this stumble along" kind of performance. There may be a very solid technical reason why the 4S is needed (or why the 4 will not work well under all conditions).
Still doesn't explain why they killed the existing Siri app that did run on iPhone 4.
I paid $649 dollars for my iPhone. I own it. Nobody, including Apple is going to tell me what to do with it. Now if Apple wants to go after people illegally using its servers, that is another matter.
Moreover, crappy IP laws discourage tinkering, which creates dumb people.
I hope this gets a public release. It will provide data for Apple to overturn the decision to make jailbreak in legal. They will be able to produce data showing that the jail breakers are 'stealing' Apple services. There is no reason that jail breaking should ever have been made legal when all of the console mod chips and r4ds devices remain illegal when they provide the same service.
If the jail breakers can steal this service from Apple then it should be ok to go ahead and hack access to Netflix etc.
Actually asking to confirm reminds me of MS asking to save settings after changing them (whereas Macs just change settings as soon as you change them). Get rid of confirmations and Siri becomes faster than typing, but by that time we will all have a 4S or a 5 in our hands and it won't be a huge deal.
2. If Apple's infrastructure is struggling with 4+ million phones, how do you think it would hold up to 100 million?
3. Regardless, it's their right to limit NEW features to NEW products. They are in no way obligated to give you the new features. I certainly don't see any Nexus 1/original Google Phone users screaming about not having Ice Cream Sandwich, even though it's "open" and should be able to run it...it's just software, right?
4. Out of the 4-8 iPhone 4s users and 100+ million iPhone users, it seems obvious there are <50 whiners who want everything for free and think they can run Apple better than Steve Jobs/Tim Cook.
5. Last time I checked, when a three year old product gets a whole new OS, iCloud support, new camera features and a few very useful apps like "Find My Friends" for free, that's a lagniappe, a bonus, a little something extra. Apple could've been like ALL the Android vendors and just said "Hey, you bought a phone with features A-C. If you wanted features D-Z, you should've bought something else!"
Still doesn't explain why they killed the existing Siri app that did run on iPhone 4.
To get you to buy the 4S? Worked for me though I dont' use it!
It is legal to drive a car. Some people drink and drive and kill people. By your logic, nobody should be allowed to drive a car.
I paid $649 dollars for my iPhone. I own it. Nobody, including Apple is going to tell me what to do with it. Now if Apple wants to go after people illegally using its servers, that is another matter.
Moreover, crappy IP laws discourage tinkering, which creates dumb people.
To be fair ,you bought a liscence. Which is what you agree tune upon activation/itunes. The body itself is yours, but the software belong's to Apple.
No it wasn't. The 3rd party app you refer to and the current implementation of Siri are not the same thing.
As far as this goes, jailbreaking is legal, but unlicensed use of software isn't. Jailbreaking your phoen to use Siri is no different than jailbreaking to side-load pirated apps.
Indeed. Jailbreaking to use Siri in this way would be 100% illegal (although it's really quite unlikely that anyone would get into trouble over it).
Tech sites like this one should be very careful not to promote this or publish instructions or links. A simple article that says you can do it and provides instructions could technically be involved in the commission of a felony in the USA.
Since Siri and Camera update were the only distinct upgrade on iPhone 4s, Apple might come out aggressive on this issue.
Siri and the camera were the only distinct upgrades?
I suppose that's true - if you ignore the CPU that's more than twice as fast. And the GPU that's 7 times as fast. And twice the max storage capacity. And the improved antenna. And world phone capability. And Bluetooth 4.0. And longer talk time. And probably a few more things I've forgotten.
Still doesn't explain why they killed the existing Siri app that did run on iPhone 4.
So? First, do you know that it's the same version? Maybe Apple added new capabilities. Second, perhaps it didn't run well enough to meet Apple's standards, particularly when other things are active.
Furthermore, even if it DID run just fine on the iPhone 4, that's Apple's choice. If you don't like it, you're free to develop your own phone and software.