1) Yes, understanding human language is process intensive.
2) No, there is no infinite abili to process... as seen by the server issues with the weekend launch of the 4S.
3) you acknowdlge the problems with Siri's servers and "underestimated" usage but you say that processing is infinite and Apple has (rephrasing) an excessive amount of money... Yet you don't think this was an issue with processing all the Siri requests. Too many requests in RAM? (silly) Too much bandwidth for Siri requests? (possible but far from the most likely reason)
I'm going to assume that you are not familiar with any kind of programming nor how Siri functions.
There may be all sorts of reasons why it will not perform optimally. Apple is not interested in "we can make this stumble along" kind of performance. There may be a very solid technical reason why the 4S is needed (or why the 4 will not work well under all conditions).
Yeah, but it's much more fun to yell "Apple is evil."
Apple's first television ad for the iPhone 4S focused exclusively on Siri serves as further evidence that the company plans to, at least at first, rely on the service to distinguish the device from its predecessor.
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It's a beta product, let them iron it out a bit, and if it's not rolled out to other platforms, then you can gripe about it...
I think this is the first time Apple has put beta software front and center in an ad campaign. Maybe they are just trying to deflect any criticism of the lack of functionality by calling it beta. In fact I cannot recall any other instance when Apple released beta software publicly. This is clearly version 1.0.
When Google makes a general public software release and calls it beta, Apple fans joke how lame that is. But now, it seems they are ok with it when Apple does it.
I think this is the first time Apple has put beta software front and center in an ad campaign. Maybe they are just trying to deflect any criticism of the lack of functionality by calling it beta. In fact I cannot recall any other instance when Apple released beta software publicly. This is clearly version 1.0.
When Google makes a general public software release and calls it beta, Apple fans joke how lame that is. But now, it seems they are ok with it when Apple does it.
Apple TV v1 was practically a beta concept, hardware and software. Instead of the word beta Steve used Hobby.
I think this is the first time Apple has put beta software front and center in an ad campaign. Maybe they are just trying to deflect any criticism of the lack of functionality by calling it beta. In fact I cannot recall any other instance when Apple released beta software publicly. This is clearly version 1.0.
When Google makes a general public software release and calls it beta, Apple fans joke how lame that is. But now, it seems they are ok with it when Apple does it.
It is pretty unique, but I can see why they did it. There is just no way to crack natural language processing without a hefty amount of real world usage. Even with Nuance's support for more than 44 languages and dialects spoken around the world Siri only supports 5: German, French and three dialects of English. On top of that there is limited Siri functionality outside the US.
I see Siri like the original iPhone back in 2007. It was a revolutionary product that changed the way the entire cellular industry worked. Not just how smartphones were to be made, but caused a dramatic shift in both which people bought smartphones and carrier control of the handset. it had lots of limitations but it was brilliant and as only going to get better from there.
Jump ahead 4 years and I think Siri (as well as similar services on all other platforms) will be a very important part of our lives.
Apple TV v1 was practically a beta concept, hardware and software. Instead of the word beta Steve used Hobby.
That was back in 2006 when it was introduced with a 1GHz Pentium processor running Mac OS X Tiger, I think. it was the best Media Extender appliance I played with, bar none, but that was a long time ago in computer and Apple history. That was before the ARMv7 chips, Apple's investment in Imagination, and their unveiling of the efficient fork of iOS (then iPhone OS) from Mac OS X.
That was an interesting read, although it seemed to me the author was doing a lot of guessing, not unlike many of us here. Here's another link to a fantastic presentation by Tom Gruber about Siri:
I recommend everyone interested in artificial intelligence to watch it -- it opened my eyes to the true nature of Siri, which is much more exciting than mere voice recognition, text to speech, or canned jokes.
More on topic, those using the hack to run Siri on unauthorized devices are doing something illegal, since the software is not freely distributable. This is also likely to cause strain on the back-end servers, so Apple would be looking for a way to curtail it...
It is pretty unique, but I can see why they did it. There is just no way to crack natural language processing without a hefty amount of real world usage.
Which is why Google ran their GOOG411 service for a year before releasing their voice recognition apps and they shut the service down once they had enough data. That's Google for you. And people thought it was a convenient service for consumers not realizing they were being used.
I am fine with Apple doing the same but on one hand they are saying this is the most amazing feature but on the other they call it a beta. Early 4s adopters are being used just the way Google users were. Apple is just putting a different spin on it but it is the same thing.
Which is why Google ran their GOOG411 service for a year before releasing their voice recognition apps and they shut the service down once they had enough data. That's Google for you. And people thought it was a convenient service for consumers not realizing they were being used.
I am fine with Apple doing the same but on one hand they are saying this the most amazing feature but on the other they call it a beta. Early 4s adopters are being used just the way Google users were. Apple is just putting a different spin on it but it is the same thing.
People also need to understand that Apple will have very direct data mining of your habits. It would be remiss of them not take advantage of this excellent source of information to better serve their customers (aka turning a profit), but one shouldn't think that means they will sell this information or that they won't anonymise it like they do with the Location Data sent from your iPhone. We are their customers, not their products. Facebook and Google make me feel like an Eloi.
People also need to understand that Apple will have very direct data mining of your habits. It would be remiss of them not take advantage of this excellent source of information to better serve their customers (aka turning a profit), but one shouldn't think that means they will sell this information or that they won't anonymise it like they do with the Location Data sent from your iPhone. We are their customers, not their products. Facebook and Google make me feel like an Eloi.
Good god, you don't have link Eloi, this is a sci if blog isn't it!
That was an interesting read, although it seemed to me the author was doing a lot of guessing, not unlike many of us here. Here's another link to a fantastic presentation by Tom Gruber about Siri:
I recommend everyone interested in artificial intelligence to watch it -- it opened my eyes to the true nature of Siri, which is much more exciting than mere voice recognition, text to speech, or canned jokes.
More on topic, those using the hack to run Siri on unauthorized devices are doing something illegal, since the software is not freely distributable. This is also likely to cause strain on the back-end servers, so Apple would be looking for a way to curtail it...
And what is so sad is in that video was the software that used to be available on all iPhones
And what is so sad is in that video was the software that used to be available on all iPhones
I don't think you can compare the original Siri app to what we have on iPhone 4s now. I do think more iDevices and even Macs will gain Siri over time.
By the way if anyone wants a laugh at a wife's expense... my wife was upset if not offended for awhile as her Siri adopted me and she was convinced it was because I spoke to her iPhone's Siri first. It was hilarious to see my poor wife arguing with her iPhone over whose phone it was. I finally broke down and admitted I'd put my name in her Siri settings.
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1) Yes, understanding human language is process intensive.
2) No, there is no infinite abili to process... as seen by the server issues with the weekend launch of the 4S.
3) you acknowdlge the problems with Siri's servers and "underestimated" usage but you say that processing is infinite and Apple has (rephrasing) an excessive amount of money... Yet you don't think this was an issue with processing all the Siri requests. Too many requests in RAM? (silly) Too much bandwidth for Siri requests? (possible but far from the most likely reason)
I'm going to assume that you are not familiar with any kind of programming nor how Siri functions.
Please see: www.jeffwofford.com/?p=817
There may be all sorts of reasons why it will not perform optimally. Apple is not interested in "we can make this stumble along" kind of performance. There may be a very solid technical reason why the 4S is needed (or why the 4 will not work well under all conditions).
Yeah, but it's much more fun to yell "Apple is evil."
I'm going to assume that you are not familiar with any kind of programming nor how Siri functions.
Please see: www.jeffwofford.com/?p=817
So you think Siri requests are sent to a server for shits and giggles? Awesome logic!
It's a beta product, let them iron it out a bit, and if it's not rolled out to other platforms, then you can gripe about it...
Why do ridiculous insane crackpots always choose names like "reality check?"
Don't you see the irony of picking a name like that and then posting all the looney garbage that you do?
You should change your name to "crack-smoking-lunatic100."
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This is WAY over the line. Please discipline this guy.
Apple's first television ad for the iPhone 4S focused exclusively on Siri serves as further evidence that the company plans to, at least at first, rely on the service to distinguish the device from its predecessor.
It's a beta product, let them iron it out a bit, and if it's not rolled out to other platforms, then you can gripe about it...
I think this is the first time Apple has put beta software front and center in an ad campaign. Maybe they are just trying to deflect any criticism of the lack of functionality by calling it beta. In fact I cannot recall any other instance when Apple released beta software publicly. This is clearly version 1.0.
When Google makes a general public software release and calls it beta, Apple fans joke how lame that is. But now, it seems they are ok with it when Apple does it.
I think this is the first time Apple has put beta software front and center in an ad campaign. Maybe they are just trying to deflect any criticism of the lack of functionality by calling it beta. In fact I cannot recall any other instance when Apple released beta software publicly. This is clearly version 1.0.
When Google makes a general public software release and calls it beta, Apple fans joke how lame that is. But now, it seems they are ok with it when Apple does it.
Apple TV v1 was practically a beta concept, hardware and software. Instead of the word beta Steve used Hobby.
I think this is the first time Apple has put beta software front and center in an ad campaign. Maybe they are just trying to deflect any criticism of the lack of functionality by calling it beta. In fact I cannot recall any other instance when Apple released beta software publicly. This is clearly version 1.0.
When Google makes a general public software release and calls it beta, Apple fans joke how lame that is. But now, it seems they are ok with it when Apple does it.
It is pretty unique, but I can see why they did it. There is just no way to crack natural language processing without a hefty amount of real world usage. Even with Nuance's support for more than 44 languages and dialects spoken around the world Siri only supports 5: German, French and three dialects of English. On top of that there is limited Siri functionality outside the US.
I see Siri like the original iPhone back in 2007. It was a revolutionary product that changed the way the entire cellular industry worked. Not just how smartphones were to be made, but caused a dramatic shift in both which people bought smartphones and carrier control of the handset. it had lots of limitations but it was brilliant and as only going to get better from there.Jump ahead 4 years and I think Siri (as well as similar services on all other platforms) will be a very important part of our lives.
Can't wait to see those overage fees for all the data.
I don't believe for one second use of Siri will add to your iPhone bill.
Apple TV v1 was practically a beta concept, hardware and software. Instead of the word beta Steve used Hobby.
But it was not the focus of a TV ad campaign as far as I know.
I don't believe for one second use of Siri will add to your iPhone bill.
I am still wondering if it sends the audio of your voice to Apple or not. If it does, that is a lot of data.
Apple TV v1 was practically a beta concept, hardware and software. Instead of the word beta Steve used Hobby.
That was back in 2006 when it was introduced with a 1GHz Pentium processor running Mac OS X Tiger, I think. it was the best Media Extender appliance I played with, bar none, but that was a long time ago in computer and Apple history. That was before the ARMv7 chips, Apple's investment in Imagination, and their unveiling of the efficient fork of iOS (then iPhone OS) from Mac OS X.
I'm going to assume that you are not familiar with any kind of programming nor how Siri functions.
Please see: www.jeffwofford.com/?p=817
That was an interesting read, although it seemed to me the author was doing a lot of guessing, not unlike many of us here. Here's another link to a fantastic presentation by Tom Gruber about Siri:
http://vimeo.com/5424527
I recommend everyone interested in artificial intelligence to watch it -- it opened my eyes to the true nature of Siri, which is much more exciting than mere voice recognition, text to speech, or canned jokes.
More on topic, those using the hack to run Siri on unauthorized devices are doing something illegal, since the software is not freely distributable. This is also likely to cause strain on the back-end servers, so Apple would be looking for a way to curtail it...
It is pretty unique, but I can see why they did it. There is just no way to crack natural language processing without a hefty amount of real world usage.
Which is why Google ran their GOOG411 service for a year before releasing their voice recognition apps and they shut the service down once they had enough data. That's Google for you. And people thought it was a convenient service for consumers not realizing they were being used.
I am fine with Apple doing the same but on one hand they are saying this is the most amazing feature but on the other they call it a beta. Early 4s adopters are being used just the way Google users were. Apple is just putting a different spin on it but it is the same thing.
Which is why Google ran their GOOG411 service for a year before releasing their voice recognition apps and they shut the service down once they had enough data. That's Google for you. And people thought it was a convenient service for consumers not realizing they were being used.
I am fine with Apple doing the same but on one hand they are saying this the most amazing feature but on the other they call it a beta. Early 4s adopters are being used just the way Google users were. Apple is just putting a different spin on it but it is the same thing.
People also need to understand that Apple will have very direct data mining of your habits. It would be remiss of them not take advantage of this excellent source of information to better serve their customers (aka turning a profit), but one shouldn't think that means they will sell this information or that they won't anonymise it like they do with the Location Data sent from your iPhone. We are their customers, not their products. Facebook and Google make me feel like an Eloi.
People also need to understand that Apple will have very direct data mining of your habits. It would be remiss of them not take advantage of this excellent source of information to better serve their customers (aka turning a profit), but one shouldn't think that means they will sell this information or that they won't anonymise it like they do with the Location Data sent from your iPhone. We are their customers, not their products. Facebook and Google make me feel like an Eloi.
Good god, you don't have link Eloi, this is a sci if blog isn't it!
Good god, you don't have link Eloi, this is a sci if blog isn't it!
We talk about science, the trolls make up fiction, so I guess that counts as Sci-Fi.
Morlock I think would have been obvious to most, but I wasn't sure about Eloi.
That was an interesting read, although it seemed to me the author was doing a lot of guessing, not unlike many of us here. Here's another link to a fantastic presentation by Tom Gruber about Siri:
http://vimeo.com/5424527
I recommend everyone interested in artificial intelligence to watch it -- it opened my eyes to the true nature of Siri, which is much more exciting than mere voice recognition, text to speech, or canned jokes.
More on topic, those using the hack to run Siri on unauthorized devices are doing something illegal, since the software is not freely distributable. This is also likely to cause strain on the back-end servers, so Apple would be looking for a way to curtail it...
And what is so sad is in that video was the software that used to be available on all iPhones
I am still wondering if it sends the audio of your voice to Apple or not. If it does, that is a lot of data.
Hasn't anyone figured that out yet? I assumed it , I mean she, sent audio. If not that is some amazing on board software!
And what is so sad is in that video was the software that used to be available on all iPhones
I don't think you can compare the original Siri app to what we have on iPhone 4s now. I do think more iDevices and even Macs will gain Siri over time.
By the way if anyone wants a laugh at a wife's expense... my wife was upset if not offended for awhile as her Siri adopted me and she was convinced it was because I spoke to her iPhone's Siri first. It was hilarious to see my poor wife arguing with her iPhone over whose phone it was. I finally broke down and admitted I'd put my name in her Siri settings.