I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.
Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.
Funny, I brought one of those touchpads for $99 when it went on firesale. And after playing with it for a bit, im having a hard time figuring out what an ipad can do that this thing can't. I definitely donot regret picking this up at $99, and i've yet to see a reason to even consider upgrading to an ipad.
So tell me, why is the touchpad not worth 99, but the ipad worth 500?
I havent put android on it yet, and after playing with webOS, i probably wont until at least a stable version of ICS is released for it.
I reread the article. I think that you are correct. The stated percentages add up to 52%, which is much larger than the non-Apple share of the tablet market.
These guys ain't gonna make much unless they up their market share. Their volume is now unlikely to cover their fixed costs.
These guys lost money on every TouchPad sale. Selling more, which they aren't doing, at a loss would just make the matter worse.
"In all, non-iPad U.S. tablet sales are said to have brought in $415 million at retail in 2011. When accessories are thrown into the mix, total retail revenue was said to be nearly $700 million."
$285 million in accessories! That sounds like a lot to me given only $415 million on tablets themselves.
It goes back to their methodology. They're counting only retail sales - and this grossly underestimates tablet sales - particularly since the HP fire sale appears not to have been included since it didn't go through retail. So, HP sells 500,000 tablets which are NOT included in this survey, but if those users go to their local Best Buy to get a case for their TouchPad, the case IS included.
I havent put android on it yet, and after playing with webOS, i probably wont until at least a stable version of ICS is released for it.
If it can run Honeycomb the chance of ICS being ported seem likely, but are what are the requirements for ICS? Meaning, will the HW in the TouchPad be good enough to feasible run the OS? Stable or not, if it's slow then it's pretty pointless.
I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.
Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.
Many bought them to root and load Android on. I know several who are flaming "anything but Apple" people and geeky enough to waste time doing this.
It's an accomplishment, and they can get software by various means.
For them, it's mostly about the bragging rights. "Oh look, I've got bash up. This is much better than an iPad and much cheaper."
Strange thing is, they're all young, employed engineers for whom the price isn't actually a concern.
The "hacked" HP TouchPad's are seldom seen nowadays. I'm betting that most are collecting dust since the same folk are now exclaiming that tablets are pointless. It's just a fad...
The OS on the iPad may be updated someday. The OS on the Touchpad will not.
Also, some people use the iPad for showing x-rays to people. You will never be able to show x-rays on your Touchpad.
So take your 5 Touchpads and they still aren't as good as one iPad.
So if you're a radiologist, the TouchPad isn't useful to you. And if you're one of the 0.27% of people who care about updating the OS on their tablet.
The Touchpad is clearly not as good as the iPad. Hardware quality is not as good and there are nowhere near enough apps. But to argue that this makes the TouchPad useless is ridiculous - just more of your standard "anyone who doesn't see the world MY way is wrong" attitude.
Given my choice, I'd take the iPad for myself every time. But there are plenty of people who would find that $99 for a TouchPad is a wiser choice than $499 for an iPad. You really need to understand that different people have different needs. Somehow, you never managed to understand that simple concept.
The OS on the iPad may be updated someday. The OS on the Touchpad will not.
Also, some people use the iPad for showing x-rays to people. You will never be able to show x-rays on your Touchpad.
So take your 5 Touchpads and they still aren't as good as one iPad.
Is there a glaring issue with webOS that requires a patch or upgrade? If there is, i haven't run into it yet.
Im not a radiologist nor will i ever be. Surely you can think of another reason the ipad is worth 4x the price that actually matters to the average consumer. Im sure there are niche uses for both tablets that the other doesn't have. Hell, im able to watch hulu.com on my touchpad, and as far as i know (correct me if im wrong here) thats something the ipad isnt capable of. And im prettty sure hulu matters more to the average consumer than displaying xrays.
I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.
Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.
I pretty much use mine for watching videos but it's great at it, just copy avi's, mkv's, ...etc through explorer and you're good to go.
Instead of supporting their own bought and paid for OS, it seems that HP is going to follow the Nokia route and jump in bed with MS. I guess they're taking those surveys to heart that say that people are waiting for a Windows based tab.
Isl, do you believe that HP will re-enter the Tablet market after two failures (earlier Windows Slate)
Especially if the Windows 8 Tablet is an ARM device with:
If it can run Honeycomb the chance of ICS being ported seem likely, but are what are the requirements for ICS? Meaning, will the HW in the TouchPad be good enough to feasible run the OS? Stable or not, if it's slow then it's pretty pointless.
Well, the honeycomb source code was never released... Or more accurately, it was only released when the ICS source was released, making it pointless, but considering the fact that the nexus s is getting ICS, i have no doubt that the touchpad will be able too run it.
Isl, do you believe that HP will re-enter the Tablet market after two failures (earlier Windows Slate)
Especially if the Windows 8 Tablet is an ARM device with:
-- Metro UI
-- No Windows 8 desktop (x86) apps
-- a paucity of Windows 8 ARM apps
HP doesn't pick a CEO unless they believe that CEO will eventually fall out of the sky in a burning blaze of failure and stupidity. Meg Whitman will not want to end her term as CEO without joining the carnival act, so her way for fulfilling this prophecy will be to introduce a Windows tablet in 2012.
Backing the $12 billion purchase of Autonomy tells me she's entrenched in the party line. Nowhere to go but down from here...
... just like shooting clay pigeons outta the sky.
Did anyone hear HP's earnings announcement yesterday? 91% drop in profit from last year. That fire sale looks rather silly in light of that horrendous report.
HP doesn't pick a CEO unless they believe that CEO will eventually fall out of the sky in a burning blaze of failure and stupidity. Meg Whitman will not want to end her term as CEO without joining the carnival act, so her way for fulfilling this prophecy will be to introduce a Windows tablet in 2012.
Backing the $12 billion purchase of Autonomy tells me she's entrenched in the party line. Nowhere to go but down from here...
... just like shooting clay pigeons outta the sky.
Well... it's pretty hard to find any fault with that logic
Did anyone hear HP's earnings announcement yesterday? 91% drop in profit from last year. That fire sale looks rather silly in light of that horrendous report.
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I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.
Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.
Funny, I brought one of those touchpads for $99 when it went on firesale. And after playing with it for a bit, im having a hard time figuring out what an ipad can do that this thing can't. I definitely donot regret picking this up at $99, and i've yet to see a reason to even consider upgrading to an ipad.
So tell me, why is the touchpad not worth 99, but the ipad worth 500?
I havent put android on it yet, and after playing with webOS, i probably wont until at least a stable version of ICS is released for it.
I reread the article. I think that you are correct. The stated percentages add up to 52%, which is much larger than the non-Apple share of the tablet market.
These guys ain't gonna make much unless they up their market share. Their volume is now unlikely to cover their fixed costs.
These guys lost money on every TouchPad sale. Selling more, which they aren't doing, at a loss would just make the matter worse.
2. ? ? ?
3. Profit!
Take that, measly-Apple-tablet-that-has-been-thought-through-and-worked-towards-for-years-with-an-eye-to-user-experience-above-all-else!
"In all, non-iPad U.S. tablet sales are said to have brought in $415 million at retail in 2011. When accessories are thrown into the mix, total retail revenue was said to be nearly $700 million."
$285 million in accessories! That sounds like a lot to me given only $415 million on tablets themselves.
It goes back to their methodology. They're counting only retail sales - and this grossly underestimates tablet sales - particularly since the HP fire sale appears not to have been included since it didn't go through retail. So, HP sells 500,000 tablets which are NOT included in this survey, but if those users go to their local Best Buy to get a case for their TouchPad, the case IS included.
I havent put android on it yet, and after playing with webOS, i probably wont until at least a stable version of ICS is released for it.
If it can run Honeycomb the chance of ICS being ported seem likely, but are what are the requirements for ICS? Meaning, will the HW in the TouchPad be good enough to feasible run the OS? Stable or not, if it's slow then it's pretty pointless.
1. Make and then kill off a promising OS. Take a huge loss on every unit.
2. ? ? ?
3. Profit!
I think you mean:
http://star.psy.ohio-state.edu/coglab/Miracle.html
So tell me, why is the touchpad not worth 99, but the ipad worth 500?
The OS on the iPad may be updated someday. The OS on the Touchpad will not.
Also, some people use the iPad for showing x-rays to people. You will never be able to show x-rays on your Touchpad.
So take your 5 Touchpads and they still aren't as good as one iPad.
I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.
Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.
Many bought them to root and load Android on. I know several who are flaming "anything but Apple" people and geeky enough to waste time doing this.
It's an accomplishment, and they can get software by various means.
For them, it's mostly about the bragging rights. "Oh look, I've got bash up. This is much better than an iPad and much cheaper."
Strange thing is, they're all young, employed engineers for whom the price isn't actually a concern.
The "hacked" HP TouchPad's are seldom seen nowadays. I'm betting that most are collecting dust since the same folk are now exclaiming that tablets are pointless. It's just a fad...
The OS on the iPad may be updated someday. The OS on the Touchpad will not.
Also, some people use the iPad for showing x-rays to people. You will never be able to show x-rays on your Touchpad.
So take your 5 Touchpads and they still aren't as good as one iPad.
So if you're a radiologist, the TouchPad isn't useful to you. And if you're one of the 0.27% of people who care about updating the OS on their tablet.
The Touchpad is clearly not as good as the iPad. Hardware quality is not as good and there are nowhere near enough apps. But to argue that this makes the TouchPad useless is ridiculous - just more of your standard "anyone who doesn't see the world MY way is wrong" attitude.
Given my choice, I'd take the iPad for myself every time. But there are plenty of people who would find that $99 for a TouchPad is a wiser choice than $499 for an iPad. You really need to understand that different people have different needs. Somehow, you never managed to understand that simple concept.
We were discussing you last night... she thinks that you are pretty awesome too!
2011 Tablet Sales: HP == the best of the worst!
The OS on the iPad may be updated someday. The OS on the Touchpad will not.
Also, some people use the iPad for showing x-rays to people. You will never be able to show x-rays on your Touchpad.
So take your 5 Touchpads and they still aren't as good as one iPad.
Is there a glaring issue with webOS that requires a patch or upgrade? If there is, i haven't run into it yet.
Im not a radiologist nor will i ever be. Surely you can think of another reason the ipad is worth 4x the price that actually matters to the average consumer. Im sure there are niche uses for both tablets that the other doesn't have. Hell, im able to watch hulu.com on my touchpad, and as far as i know (correct me if im wrong here) thats something the ipad isnt capable of. And im prettty sure hulu matters more to the average consumer than displaying xrays.
We were discussing you last night... she thinks that you are pretty awesome too!
Ur not a supermodel unless ur dating Tom Brady!
I am still unsure of why people even bought them at $99. I've never seen one and never will cause they didn't even get to where I am but regardless of if it has any value it harks back to the 80's where you bought an empty vessel with a flashing cursor. At least back then though you could learn how to program it and make it do stuff.
Would someone really spend $99 on a web browser and email client that will never get patched or updated? Geez people bawked at having to pay Netscape for a browser.
I pretty much use mine for watching videos but it's great at it, just copy avi's, mkv's, ...etc through explorer and you're good to go.
Instead of supporting their own bought and paid for OS, it seems that HP is going to follow the Nokia route and jump in bed with MS. I guess they're taking those surveys to heart that say that people are waiting for a Windows based tab.
Isl, do you believe that HP will re-enter the Tablet market after two failures (earlier Windows Slate)
Especially if the Windows 8 Tablet is an ARM device with:
-- Metro UI
-- No Windows 8 desktop (x86) apps
-- a paucity of Windows 8 ARM apps
If it can run Honeycomb the chance of ICS being ported seem likely, but are what are the requirements for ICS? Meaning, will the HW in the TouchPad be good enough to feasible run the OS? Stable or not, if it's slow then it's pretty pointless.
Well, the honeycomb source code was never released... Or more accurately, it was only released when the ICS source was released, making it pointless, but considering the fact that the nexus s is getting ICS, i have no doubt that the touchpad will be able too run it.
Isl, do you believe that HP will re-enter the Tablet market after two failures (earlier Windows Slate)
Especially if the Windows 8 Tablet is an ARM device with:
-- Metro UI
-- No Windows 8 desktop (x86) apps
-- a paucity of Windows 8 ARM apps
HP doesn't pick a CEO unless they believe that CEO will eventually fall out of the sky in a burning blaze of failure and stupidity. Meg Whitman will not want to end her term as CEO without joining the carnival act, so her way for fulfilling this prophecy will be to introduce a Windows tablet in 2012.
Backing the $12 billion purchase of Autonomy tells me she's entrenched in the party line. Nowhere to go but down from here...
... just like shooting clay pigeons outta the sky.
HP doesn't pick a CEO unless they believe that CEO will eventually fall out of the sky in a burning blaze of failure and stupidity. Meg Whitman will not want to end her term as CEO without joining the carnival act, so her way for fulfilling this prophecy will be to introduce a Windows tablet in 2012.
Backing the $12 billion purchase of Autonomy tells me she's entrenched in the party line. Nowhere to go but down from here...
... just like shooting clay pigeons outta the sky.
Well... it's pretty hard to find any fault with that logic
Did anyone hear HP's earnings announcement yesterday? 91% drop in profit from last year. That fire sale looks rather silly in light of that horrendous report.
... but they were above analyst's expectations.